Schapelle Corby. - Page 7

Kryton · 27-05-2005, 03:03 PM

well im gonna have my 2 bobs worth again.
i dont believe she is guilty but thats MY opinion of the matter.
as for how the matter even went to trial is beyond believe. no finger printing or DNA tests of the bag would have this thrown out of any other court in a second.
whether or not she is guilty i dont believe she has had a fair trial on the grounds of all the evidence thats been tarnished or the narrow mindedness of the judge in stating "ive never found a drug dealer/trafficker innocent".
all the evidence that was thrown out by him should have been considered and the finger printing should have been done.
sounds to me like the judges mind was made up from the start that she was guilty no matter what.

i for one am never going there, or will be telling others to go there. as far as im concerned that country can just rot into the 3rd world country it is.
a recent poll of travel agaents stated that 70% of them wont be recommending any tourists go there is she is found guilty.
i say bring her back and let her go. there is just no other evidence that it was hers other than it was in her bag. that itself is not enough to say it was hers.

Casper · 27-05-2005, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by XAHardtop

As for those who suggested that we should stop giving them aid, etc, get real?

Why? Exactly what do we owe to them to GIVE them a billion dollars? I dont agree with the aid package to start with, so if we must, why shouldnt we use it to leverage in the favour of an Australian citizen?
Lets face it, the police over there screwed up, they missed vital evidence and the judges used the international status of it as a "prove a point" trial.

So lets prove a point...that we are not going to allow an Aust citizen to rot in one of their jails and not say a word about it.

xdc351 · 27-05-2005, 03:09 PM

One note.

This is a thread about Shapelle Corby NOT the current government. As political threads are not acceptable under the site TOC and I don't want to see this thread closed because of some left wing whingers that can't keep their unwanted opinion to themselves.

Have a nice day

MickyB · 27-05-2005, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dellboy999

I think the last time 20ppl viewing a thread was when I drove my car half off a ramp .... lol ... the memories and shame of it all.

And to think I had almost forgotten about that day, thanks for bringing it up again, lol.

As for withdrawing aid, why do we give it to them in the first place? Spend it over here on our people instead.

XAHardtop · 27-05-2005, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Why? Exactly what do we owe to them to GIVE them a billion dollars? I dont agree with the aid package to start with, so if we must, why shouldnt we use it to leverage in the favour of an Australian citizen?
Lets face it, the olice over there screwed up, they missed vital evidence and the judges used the international status of it as a "prove a point" trial.

So lets prove a point...that we are no going to allow an Aust citizen to rot in one of their jails and not say a word about it.

I agree with your sentiment regarding the fact that aid would be better spent on Australians, but if we are to infact give it (which we have), taking it back due to a trial not going our way is rather pathetic. We constantly whinge about the US exerting it's influence over the world by using its economic muscle, why should Australia be doing the same thing?

There's a number of Australian citizens "rotting" in jails the world over, some for cases a lot dodgier than this. Why are we all suddenly focussed on this one? I can't see how we can justify circumventing another countries' legal process.

Feathers · 27-05-2005, 03:11 PM

Wish our judges would hand out a decent sentence like that. People here literally get away with murder....

She was never going to be let off.
But did nothing else happen in the news today? Thats all I've heard about...

5speedeb · 27-05-2005, 03:13 PM

howard said that australians should respect the decision
somehow i dont see that happening

M14A-Mclaren · 27-05-2005, 03:13 PM

Does anyone have a list of the major manufactuers that make things in indonesia? So i know which ones not to buy?

XDSLIDER · 27-05-2005, 03:14 PM

Although I beleive that Corby is innocent, I do not believe that she will be transfered to Aus. like some media people are saying. Cause if you look at it on the flip side, if it was one of them here, we wouldn't throw them back!!!!! The only way they get thrown back is if they come here on a boat without a visa.

Main problem with us Aussies is we are to generous(Tsunami Aide). We give people money if a big wave hits them, we give lazy aussies the dole if they don't wanna work.

And saying that Howard is a puppet?!?!?!?
Any person who is prime minister of this country is a puppet!!!!!
Maybe some of you should go to a communist country, like China, and see how everyday people are dealt with if they steal something. You would all be suprised, I am sure of that!!!!!!

Casper · 27-05-2005, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by XAHardtop

I agree with your sentiment regarding the fact that aid would be better spent on Australians, but if we are to infact give it (which we have), taking it back due to a trial not going our way is rather pathetic. We constantly whinge about the US exerting it's influence over the world by using its economic muscle, why should Australia be doing the same thing?

There's a number of Australian citizens "rotting" in jails the world over, some for cases a lot dodgier than this. Why are we all suddenly focussed on this one? I can't see how we can justify circumventing another countries' legal process.

As far as I'm concerned she is an Australian Citizen and has a right to be in her own country. I didnt say let her go, I just think she should be back here where she can get legal help to appeal to a international court (where real justice can be had and media show trials are not catered for).
In this case we have a big stick (a billion of them actually) to "encourage" them to hand her over. If we are in the same position in other contries we should be doing it there too.
As for the US using economic muscle...news flash...so did the Russians, the English, the Spanish, the French, the Romans, the Sumarians, the Egyptions etc etc etc. Thatsw the way things work. Right or wrong, it is how it has and always will be.

rick69 · 27-05-2005, 03:16 PM

I would never have chosen that scum hole as a holiday destination in the first place..... This only strengthens my views. Indonesia and their corrupt judicial system can ROT IN HELL.

XDSLIDER · 27-05-2005, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

As far as I'm concerned she is an Australian Citizen and has a right to be in her own country. I didnt say let her go, I just think she should be back here where she can get legal help to appeal to a international court (where real justice can be had and media show trials are not catered for).
In this case we have a big stick (a billion of them actually) to "encourage" them to hand her over. If we are in the same position in other contries we should be doing it there too.
As for the US using economic muscle...news flash...so did the Russians, the English, the Spanish, the French, the Romans, the Sumarians, the Egyptions etc etc etc. Thatsw the way things work. Right or wrong, it is how it has and always will be.

I'll second that

bindi · 27-05-2005, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Feathers

Wish our judges would hand out a decent sentence like that. People here literally get away with murder....

She was never going to be let off.
But did nothing else happen in the news today? Thats all I've heard about...

I'm afraid that's all we will hear about for days, if not weeks...

I was informed that she got 20 years for the FIRST charge and that the other TWO charges still have not been decided upon. Is this right?

I think it was all downright dodgy. I watched the last hour of the trial and could seriously see the innocence, the pain, the anguish. I actually cried. The judges were odd, one was screaming and the translator on Channel 9 Sydney was having a very difficult time understanding what he was saying cos he was yelling loudly and talking fast.

And I know there are probably plenty more ppl held the world over because of corrupt so-called justice systems... Guantanamo Bay springs to mind.

Gees, I don't think I've ever seen 22 ppl viewing a thread all at once! Imagine what's been written since I started this letter

TheSneakiness · 27-05-2005, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Why? Exactly what do we owe to them to GIVE them a billion dollars? I dont agree with the aid package to start with, so if we must, why shouldnt we use it to leverage in the favour of an Australian citizen?
Lets face it, the police over there screwed up, they missed vital evidence and the judges used the international status of it as a "prove a point" trial.

So lets prove a point...that we are not going to allow an Aust citizen to rot in one of their jails and not say a word about it.

Hurrah Casper. I really agree here. A natural disaster occured and we jumped to give them money to help. Yet, they sentence a young woman to 20 years jail for "alledged" drug trafficking.

No matter how much we help them, they will ALWAYS stab us in the back.

I will also continue using "alledged", because simply put, I think she's innocent.

**Chris** · 27-05-2005, 03:24 PM

lets go get her, we'll use my dads boat

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aps · 27-05-2005, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

As far as I'm concerned she is an Australian Citizen and has a right to be in her own

Not if you're charged with a criminal offence in an over seas country, you have to face the music in that country whether we consider that to be fair or not.

If you don't want to be subject to that countries law then simply don't visit that country.

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Peter

XAHardtop · 27-05-2005, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

As far as I'm concerned she is an Australian Citizen and has a right to be in her own country. I didnt say let her go, I just think she should be back here where she can get legal help to appeal to a international court (where real justice can be had and media show trials are not catered for).

It amuses me that everyone screams "show trial" or "corruption" when the verdict goes against what they believed happened (without all the evidence of course). Fact is, independent testimony (witnesses) provided evidence to the court for which she was found guilty.

She broke the law in another country, why should she be tried here? How does being a visitor to another country suddenly qualify one for special treatment if they break the law? We expect foreigners who break the law in Australia to be tried here, why can't Indonesia expect the same?

Show trials not catered for in Australia? You're kidding right?

I do feel sorry for her, but I don't think we've seen all the facts.

xr8ute · 27-05-2005, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GT-P 738

Yeah me too,i feel almost as gut wrenched as what i did when i saw the twin towers bombing.

Me too, I wouldn't even consider going to Indo/Bali now...unless there is a radical change in Indonesian government.

27-05-2005, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rodderz

Doesnt seem at all consistant with the punishment handed out to the Bali bombers, whats worse killing people or having a bag of choof?

funny how things work isnt it.

Marlin_Girl · 27-05-2005, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

lets go get her, we'll use my dads boat

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hahaha LOL!!!

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MickyB · 27-05-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

lets go get her, we'll use my dads boat

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Damn straight, will my dad's .22 be enough weaponry you think?

Angry Beaver · 27-05-2005, 03:31 PM

Ok there have been good points brought up by everyone. But there is one thing that we are all forgetting. They are a third world place as far as some technologies goes. They probably dont even know what a fingerprint is. and yes i am being sarcastic and why well whose coroners went and helped with identifing the bombing victims because they didnt have the resources to do so.

xr8ute · 27-05-2005, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by XAHardtop

She broke the law in another country

To be technically correct, the Indonesian legal system found her guilty of breaking Indonesion law.

Very few people would know wether she is actually guilty or not.

**Chris** · 27-05-2005, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MickyB

Damn straight, will my dad's .22 be enough weaponry you think?

Alright Micky, you bring the gun, Marlin girl can steer and i'll have a scotch and coke and yell directions.

Casper · 27-05-2005, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by aps

Not if you're charged with a criminal offence in an over seas country, you have to face the music in that country whether we consider that to be fair or not.

If you don't want to be subject to that countries law then simply don't visit that country.

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Peter

When the "laws" and "sentances" are dictated by a "lets show the world we are tough by making an example of this person" even though the forensics were totally skipped and the judge is making statements saying that he has never aquitted a "drug dealer" then we are not dealing with their laws, we are dealing with a political statement as far as I'm concerned.
If thats how they run their legal system than we, as a country, must do whatever we can to assist one of our citizens. If we have the means, we should use it.
This applies to all our citizens in all countries.

If they couldnt even work out what the bomb was in Bali without our Australian forensic specialists, what hope do they have of providing all evidence fairly in this sort of case?

**Full Noise** · 27-05-2005, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by xdc351

20 years, what a joke. Thats confirmed 100% that I will never be going to Bali.

The whole corrupt country is a joke, and as for ever travelling there, I’m with you xdc351.

Cheers, Danny

**Full Noise** · 27-05-2005, 03:44 PM

At least this leaves the gate open for them to make a plea to the president for a pardon, the whole process could take a while though.

xdc351 · 27-05-2005, 03:44 PM

If you read the report, the judges completely ignored absoloutly all evidence supplied by the defence and believed the shonky, half assed evidence of the customs agents. They failed to weigh all of her baggage and compare it to the check in weight in Australia, failed to run any checks on the dope or the bag it came in and couldn't even get their story's straight.

Schapelle's defence stuffed up a number of times too don't get me wrong. But if the dope was picked say in QLD the case would never have made it to court. I's love to know how a 4kg bag of dope could make it past Sydney airport security *unless* it was the security helping it through? I mean, it would have run through the same scanners in Sydnay as it did at the bali end.

As for the argument 'you go to another country, you deal with their justice system'.... well thats absoloutly true. And this fiasco is exactly why Bali will never see one single cent from me.

XAHardtop · 27-05-2005, 03:45 PM

Our Foreign Minister is offering Schapelle the services of 2 QCs for free for the appeal. The government also appears to have been assisting with her court costs, good to see them doing the right thing.

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Originally Posted by xr8ute

To be technically correct, the Indonesian legal system found her guilty of breaking Indonesion law.

Thanks for correcting me on that.

RED_EL_XR8 · 27-05-2005, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by XAHardtop

.....I do feel sorry for her, but I don't think we've seen all the facts.

Aint that the truth.

All we see is a bunch of Ray Martin bulldust, even the ABC are in on it. Its a self serving frenzy that ghas not aided any party but self serving media.

There is little point argueing over the slop, half truths, opinion, cheque book journalism and plain mistruths we've been fed.

If you don't approve. Then cancel the Bali holiday and encourage others to not do so too.

Dont buy any of that filthy poor quality mite infected balinese furniture, support Aussie industry not a quick $$ importer.

And dont watch 60 minute, ACA, today to night, or listen to hinch jones etc, they are the ones that whipped injustice into a blind frenzy.

Simple actions will speak louder than any online rant.

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