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25-07-2022, 01:44 PM | #2071 | |||
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Interested in peoples thoughts, this is just one example. https://www.realestate.com.au/proper...arne-139905691 So rental income is $560 per week, but the weekly repayment calculator on the same page notes $714p/w using $150k. Am I missing something? How is it good to lose $8k per year as an investment, and thats just the repayments.
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25-07-2022, 02:05 PM | #2072 | ||
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That's not a good example of an investment property. Also, most investors are using property as a tax break as well. No smart person that is earning big $ is paying any tax. It's why middle income earners hold up Australia and not the rich or the poor.
I'm taking all my emotions out of these replies by the way. Reality is hard but the smart person doesn't pay any tax, it's all about playing the system to make it work for you.
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25-07-2022, 02:30 PM | #2073 | ||
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It's also why we need to look beyond income and also consider wealth when it comes to taxation. If the wealth divide between rich and poor continues to widen, it's reasonable to use the tax system to address it. Will never happen while politicians have a vested interest in the status quo.
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25-07-2022, 02:32 PM | #2074 | ||
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This for truth, like i said, no friends in business
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25-07-2022, 02:55 PM | #2075 | |||
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I guess my point is that housing shouldn't be used for tax breaks or any incentives. No doubt this is a case of hate the game not the player, its just so core to so many functions of our society...its rather sad, not sure how you change that as you say without the top end cry poor. But its got to change. Evil circle isnt it...look after society so it looks after you are make sure during your life/time in office you are looked after...our system is too short sighted unfortunately.
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25-07-2022, 03:03 PM | #2076 | |||
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Losing money is not good of course. But let's say 8k negatively geared. You get back say 30 to 40% at tax time, don't forget depreciation. So let's say you lose 5k a year. Using $700k as the value, it just has to go up 1% a year and you come out on top on paper. I think that's right? Oh and another thing, paying off principle can a form of forced saving for the undisciplined, and yep I'm speaking from experience
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25-07-2022, 04:29 PM | #2077 | |||
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Anyway, ill get off my low horse, it just pains me that housing in this country is used in such a way.
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25-07-2022, 07:33 PM | #2078 | ||
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Quoted for truth
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25-07-2022, 07:50 PM | #2079 | |||
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She's done it on a single wage, its really not that hard, just got to be realistic about what 'entry level' is. Both of us did it as sole borrowers on sub $30ph. People will still get loans for first homes, they'll just have to rethink their expectations on what a 'first home' actually looks like and where its situated. |
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25-07-2022, 09:34 PM | #2080 | |||
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Hmmm...yeah...but the elephant in the room is if you lose your job. Or lose your job and get one that pays less..and less tax to claim. Then..the situation deteriorates really quickly.
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26-07-2022, 06:38 AM | #2081 | |||
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Interesting that stage 3 tax cuts will affect quite a few people's neg gearing "returns" on the higher bracket, make it less appealing, wonder what affect that might have on the market. Neg gearing also assumes capital growth. If it turns the other way and you got in at the wrong time, I can imagine it would get quite depressing paying interest on a depreciating asset. I believe there are less than a handful of countries in the world that allows neg gearing on housing. We are one of them. Use the system that is given to you I say, no point complaining about it.
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26-07-2022, 09:17 AM | #2082 | ||||
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It's the very reason why rent has continued to rise. As long as people pay the asking price for rent, it'll keep rising. Here in Canberra finding a rental is difficult, with 30 plus people at each inspection and people bidding big. I rent here, I live in a complex. Next door just got re-leased and speaking with the owner they got 20% more than the asking rent price and were given 12 months rent in advance. That's $40,000 they had straight up front for a years rent. double that and you have a deposit. These people clearly don't want to buy. There will always be a market for renters, history has proved that. Quote:
Exactly. I still don't think the housing market will go down past pre-COVID prices. If it does, i'll be there waving cash around to scoop up some bargains. It will always recover, just have to play the long game.
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26-07-2022, 03:12 PM | #2083 | |||
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Living in the north of Adelaide has its advantages in this respect, a 5k deposit can buy you a brand spanking new 2bdrm, 2.5bth townhouse for under $270k @ $320pw. They're commanding that to rent them in the same area. |
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26-07-2022, 06:09 PM | #2084 | ||
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Ahh I was going to write something up about investing in things that help society and not make it harder but its a free world. There are shares I could buy and make a buck but choose not too. So many issues, so little time.
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27-07-2022, 01:42 AM | #2085 | ||
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Negative gearing is used in Australia to induce the private marketplace to fund and provide rental properties to the population unable/unwilling to buy their own properties.
The Government wanted to transfer this responsibility from the Government to the private sector, as the provision of public housing was as far as the Government wanted to take on, especially as public housing rents are as a matter of public policy artificially lowballed to the detriment of the taxpayer.
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27-07-2022, 10:55 PM | #2086 | ||
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Let's hope we get a decent interest rate rise next week.
At least 0.75% ... and even that is a pussy amount compared to what other parts of the world are getting.
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28-07-2022, 08:06 AM | #2087 | |||
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So what did we do prior and how do the other 99% of countries seem to manage? So far it does just seem to be the upper end thats cooled down. Will see where its all ends up I guess.
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28-07-2022, 11:54 AM | #2088 | ||||
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CPI data updated as at yesterday. Would be interesting to know if furniture were imports or local made. Does "housing" in this bucket represent the increase in cost to build? or cost to purchase?
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If people are worried about affordable housing, they are available, just not in the desirable areas.
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28-07-2022, 12:20 PM | #2089 | ||
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I don’t think there is much standard consumer grade furniture made here anymore, T3. Apart from artisan tables (there is an essay in this alone!) and possibly cheap pine-framed upholstered foam sofas.
The UK were big on leases, lots of 99-year leases on property that I understand offer the tenant much more latitude in terms of maintenance or capital works. Plus many cars seem to be bought on lease plans as well. I expect these trends to come here so that people can continue to “live the dream”. Even if they no longer own that dream, but are paying to pretend. This week, I’m feeling the frustration mooted by other posters here about tradespeople thinking they’re worth a mint. Can’t get anyone qualified to quote and (likely) proceed on a $2-3K job of 10% thinning plus deadwooding on some large trees. Because it involves effort in quoting and then professional liability. They’re full of ego, but gutless. |
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28-07-2022, 12:55 PM | #2090 | |||
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Fantastic Furniture started manufacturing Australian made sofas and lounges in 1992. Today, the Sydney-based factory is the largest manufacturer of sofas in the Southern Hemisphere and produce and deliver over 130,000 sofas and lounges each year.
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28-07-2022, 01:01 PM | #2091 | ||
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I knew Fantastic still made some upholstered stuff here - and quite a few mattresses are made in Australia - not sure if the bulk foam is, though.
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28-07-2022, 03:23 PM | #2092 | |||
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They asked him about how rate rises were influencing the market. He said all its done is push expectations down, so a $450k buyer has become a $350k buyer etc They're still buying, just that 'all in' isnt achieving what it was 4 months ago. |
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02-08-2022, 02:35 PM | #2093 | ||
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Rates just up another .5%
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02-08-2022, 08:29 PM | #2094 | ||
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It's interesting all this doom and gloom though, read a report today that even with the national house price average coming down 2.5%, we are still 21% up from March 2020. Not so bad when you look at it that way.
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02-08-2022, 10:47 PM | #2095 | ||
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The “doom and gloom” of this latest rise - on a $1M mortgage, 25 year term it’s poised to be about another $10/day (or less).
Without sounding flippant, surely most people affected that far, could face up to a challenge like this? |
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03-08-2022, 09:01 PM | #2096 | |||
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Especially since fuel is 1.65 now. Saving $70 a week in fuel |
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Don't worry, the 22cpl excise goes back on end September.
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03-08-2022, 09:12 PM | #2098 | ||
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How far up are term deposit interest rates likely to go? It’s been a quantum shift in twelve months, can get 3,25% on $5K or more without trying - compared to barely 0,25% a year back.
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04-08-2022, 07:56 AM | #2099 | ||
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Maybe, that is still uncertain @ this stage.
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04-08-2022, 10:59 AM | #2100 | |||
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Once the pain becomes in the hundreds and soon thousands extra per month that's when we will see the true impact of these rises.
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