which car/model changed the face of performance for aussie cars? - Page 8

The Mighty Red · 12-08-2011, 02:34 PM

There is no doubt the VT LS1 was a game changer ,whether or not it was the ultimate game changer is debateble put it was a formidable Holden when released

**DJM83** · 12-08-2011, 06:46 PM

Seems we are considering performance as a car that goes fast in a straight line but not go around a corner yeah?

galaxy xr8 · 12-08-2011, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_BA

Galaxy, i love the windsor as much as you do but lets be honest with one another. what model/car gave better than el GT or at least equal ts50 (5.6) performance for less than $35k (less than half price of el gt or ts50)..

Its not a bad offering. the base v8 was previously apoor shadow of the premium models performance

vt2 exec ls1 for under $35k at release... the vt1 hsv 220kw gts owners who just handed over $75k, they were rabbid, the lemon taste in their mouths, definately changed their face upon release

I seriously doubt that you love the Windsor as much as I do, but that's irrelevant here.

So now your changing your question from your OP and asking which performance vehicle under a certain price tag ? is that right ?
You want to change the goal post's again ?.

RAPID_BA · 12-08-2011, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

I seriously doubt that you love the Windsor as much as I do, but that's irrelevant here.

So now your changing your question from your OP and asking which performance vehicle under a certain price tag ? is that right ?
You want to change the goal post's again ?.

Well over past 10 years I have owned 4 windsors. I could have grabbed holden V8s or ls1s but I've grabbed windsor efi V8s. So I must love them too but I know what they can do and what they can't.

My point about the ls1 is where could you ever get such performance in a cheap car? The year before hsv charged 75 gorillas for a 220kw gts which offered less performance. What did ford offer back then? The $70k 200kw t series??

Admitingly Ford got the edge for 5 minutes with au 185kw xr8 over the old holden 179kw 5.0 SS VT V8 but boy did holden respond with the ls1, pumelled ford until the boss V8s arrived.

**DJM83** · 12-08-2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_BA

Well over past 10 years I have owned 4 windsors. I could have grabbed holden V8s or ls1s but I've grabbed windsor efi V8s. So I must love them too but I know what they can do and what they can't.

My point about the ls1 is where could you ever get such performance in a cheap car? The year before hsv charged 75 gorillas for a 220kw gts which offered less performance. What did ford offer back then? The $70k 200kw t series??

Admitingly Ford got the edge for 5 minutes with au 185kw xr8 over the old holden 179kw 5.0 SS VT V8 but boy did holden respond with the ls1,pumelled ford until the boss V8s arrived.

Right, each to their own though BOSS didnt really set the world on fire when first released.

**ebxr8240** · 12-08-2011, 08:40 PM

I think you need to look back at least 3 decades to come up with some sort
of answer here..
Most our engines come from U.S.. We as Ford guys got a truck motor out a
van...With very little performance mods etc either from factory or aftermarket..
If you refer to racing side then the last decade the Genlll came out..
Nothing has changed as Ford still use the little 8.2 Windsor Boss block and G.M use nothing that can be bought off the shelf...

The XR6T I guess when it comes to this era ??
Especially on a bang for buck logic...
I wouldn't say the Holden V8 as their sales [HSV] have been slow too....

galaxy xr8 · 12-08-2011, 08:57 PM

Yeah the VT II excutive LS1 was a real world performer for under 35k hey.. not bad for a 0-100 in 9.3 sec

http://www.carsales.com.au/car-resea...s.aspx?R=64865

RAPID_BA · 12-08-2011, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Right, each to their own though BOSS didnt really set the world on fire when first released.

The boss didn't set the world on fire but it was a counter balance to the ls1, it no longer had it all its way. Basically brought ford back into the contest. The ls1 set a good benchmark so the boss just brought a credible alternative to the market (along with xr6t)

galaxy xr8 · 12-08-2011, 09:05 PM

Even a '97 model EL XR8 185kw was quicker in the 0-100,
http://www.fpv.com.au/theheritage/fa...falconxr8185kw

RAPID_BA · 12-08-2011, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Yeah the VT II excutive LS1 was a real world performer for under 35k hey.. not bad for a 0-100 in 9.3 sec

http://www.carsales.com.au/car-resea...s.aspx?R=64865

The vt ls1 was 6.2 0-100. Where are you getting 9.3secs from? 0

Even the windsor V8s were doing about 7.5 seconds back then for the 0-100

galaxy xr8 · 12-08-2011, 09:11 PM

Ok hulk, as you seem to be good with word's (your own by the way) but lack the credabilty to post some actually fact's, here is another one for you as you really seem to like to dig the boot into the AU and the windsor and the 220kw, here's a good comparison for you I suggest you have a good read and stop and think,

The SS,
http://www.carsales.com.au/car-resea...s.aspx?R=65005

The XR8,
http://www.fpv.com.au/theheritage/fa...onxr8-220.aspx

Both same yr, both rival's.
What excuse are you going to have now, as I am yet to see any data proof from you !!!!!!.

galaxy xr8 · 12-08-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_BA

The vt ls1 was 6.2 0-100. Where are you getting 9.3secs from? Even the windsor V8s were doing about 7.5 seconds back then for the 0-100

It's right there on the link, have a good read and open your eyes..,
It is the VTII LS1 Excutive as you are now focusing on.
You show me where a base model LS1 did a 6.2 0-100 ??, please do.

RAPID_BA · 12-08-2011, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Ok hulk, as you seem to be good with word's (your own by the way) but lack the credabilty to post some actually fact's, here is another one for you as you really seem to like to dig the boot into the AU and the windsor and the 220kw, here's a good comparison for you I suggest you have a good read and stop and think,

The SS,
http://www.carsales.com.au/car-resea...s.aspx?R=65005

The XR8,
http://www.fpv.com.au/theheritage/fa...onxr8-220.aspx

Both same yr, both rival's.
What excuse are you going to have now, as I am yet to see any data proof from you !!!!!!.

Galaxy, we should only compare cars in back to back tests. For the record I think the au 2/3 look pretty good, saw one the other day with ba xr rims a little lowered. Very very neat car. I actually like it better than vt. The au xr series also looks great (except the double wing).

But I honestly think as a ford lover the ls1 had the measure of the windsor, cards down. I have owned 4 windsors, they are great but the ls1 I've also owned and I think would have the windsors licked. I'd have the au ford i6 and windsor V8 over the holden 5.0 V8 or V6 but I'd have the ls1 over the lot of them. They just lifted the bar for performance no disrespect to au series or windsors intended.

**FTE217** · 12-08-2011, 09:29 PM

What a laugh - galaxy xr8 once again does it LOL.....wheezer did alright many times in stock form, heck even that low volume 5.6l wheezer has its time in the sun v's the game changer hehe
Early boss290 sorry did not but it sure came along much later.

galaxy xr8 · 12-08-2011, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_BA

Galaxy, we should only compare cars in back to back tests. For the record I think the au 2/3 look pretty good, saw one the other day with ba xr rims a little lowered. Very very neat car. I actually like it better than vt. The au xr series also looks great (except the double wing).

But I honestly think as a ford lover the ls1 had the measure of the windsor, I have owned 4 windsors, they are great but the ls1 I've also owned and I think would have the windsors licked. I'd have the au ford i6 and windsor V8 over the holden 5.0 V8 or V6 but I'd have the ls1 over the lot of them. They just lifted the bar for performance no disrespect to au series or windsors intended.

So are you giving in and accepting defeat my friend, I am still yet to see any fact's/data from you,

You asked the questioned,
"Which/car model changed the face of performance"

Just how can anyone answer that if you will only accept comparison's that are back to back

I have given you some relevant link's, is that not good enough for you, or is it you don'

t like the outcome of them,

**DJM83** · 12-08-2011, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_BA

Galaxy, we should only compare cars in back to back tests. For the record I think the au 2/3 look pretty good, saw one the other day with ba xr rims a little lowered. Very very neat car. I actually like it better than vt. The au xr series also looks great (except the double wing).

But I honestly think as a ford lover the ls1 had the measure of the windsor, I have owned 4 windsors, they are great but the ls1 I've also owned and I think would have the windsors licked. I'd have the au ford i6 and windsor V8 over the holden 5.0 V8 or V6 but I'd have the ls1 over the lot of them. They just lifted the bar for performance no disrespect to au series or windsors intended.

Until the VT wore the insides of the rear tyres out trying to catch the AU in the bends.
I agree the LS1 was a decent V8 but its not all about straight line performance IMO and i think the AU had the VT's measure in that aspect.

galaxy xr8 · 12-08-2011, 09:42 PM

I can probably explain the slow 0-100 time for the VTII LS1 Excutive that I posted up, they were probably over full with oil due to dealer's being told to overfill them to fix the oil consumption and piston slap.

RAPID_BA · 12-08-2011, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

So are you giving in and accepting defeat my friend, I am still yet to see any fact's/data from you,

You asked the questioned,
"Which/car model changed the face of performance"

Just how can anyone answer that if you will only accept comparison's that are back to back

I have given you some relevant link's, is that not good enough for you, or is it you don'

t like the outcome of them,

I have back to Back comparisons in a old motor mag, same day, same conditions, side by side, one said over the quarter mile the ls1 was 4 lengths clear of the au XR8. Another praised the au but still said it was no match for the ls1 in a straight line. Do you want me to scan and post the articles? Or do you want to claim victory quoting ford advertisements (fpv site) against a carsales of all review of the ss?

galaxy xr8 · 12-08-2011, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_BA

I have back to Back comparisons in a old motor mag, one said over the quarter mile the ls1 was 4 lengths clear of the au XR8. Another praised the au but still said it was no match for the ls1. Do you want me to scan and post the articles? Or do you want to claim victory quoting ford advertisements (fpv site) against a carsales of all review of the ss?

Please do, be my guess..
4 lengths clear huh, that is a fair margin.

Oh and if you had of read the link that I posted you will actually see that the fiqure was done by "Wheels mag" in 2001, the FPV site was just quoting the time that they had run.

Long live the mighty windsor

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**FTE217** · 12-08-2011, 09:52 PM

Oh so now its what the olden biased journos say as gospel

**DJM83** · 12-08-2011, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Long live the mighty windsor

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Seems theres some bias here so ill agree with this.

RAPID_BA · 12-08-2011, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Please do, be my guess..
4 lengths clear huh, that is a fair margin.

Oh and if you had of read the link that I posted you will actually see that the fiqure was done by "Wheels mag" in 2001, the FPV site was just quoting the time that they had run.

Long live the mighty windsor

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Yes I love the windsor too. The atari 2600 and sega mega drive were once the top of tree and if you never use the xbox or ps3 you can always feel the mega drive or atari is still the best. Try and be impartial, not windsor wins no matter if the ls1 is 4 lengths clear.

galaxy xr8 · 12-08-2011, 10:02 PM

Oh and by the way please show me the times for the VTII LS1 Excutive as you seem to think it's the best car/model ?.
You seem to think that the base model is the same as the performance version arm of Holden (SS).

RAPID_BA · 12-08-2011, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Oh and by the way please show me the times for the VTII LS1 Excutive as you seem to think it's the best car/model ?.
You seem to think that the base model is the same as the performance version arm of Holden (SS).

Galaxy, the exec vt2 ls1 has the same 220kw 446nm 5.7 as the ss. So 6.2 seconds 0-100 or better. Also has the same 6 spd man and less weight too.. If anything it goes harder.

Dude I like the windsors and au fords I'm just stating the facts about the introduction of the ls1 and what it did for performance for aussie cars. Its not about windsors

Grippy · 12-08-2011, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_BA

I have back to Back comparisons in a old motor mag, same day, same conditions, side by side, one said over the quarter mile the ls1 was 4 lengths clear of the au XR8. Another praised the au but still said it was no match for the ls1 in a straight line. Do you want me to scan and post the articles? Or do you want to claim victory quoting ford advertisements (fpv site) against a carsales of all review of the ss?

There is a lot more to a performance car than 1/4 mile times, though you seem fixated on LS1's on the strip.

galaxy xr8 · 12-08-2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_BA

Galaxy, the exec vt2 ls1 has the same 220kw 446nm 5.7 as the ss. So 6.2 seconds 0-100 or better. Also has the same 6 spd man and less weight too.. If anything it goes harder.

Dude I like the windsors and au fords I'm just stating the facts about the introduction of the ls1 and what it did for performance for aussie cars. Its not about windsors

No your not stating fact's untill you prove it my friend.

**DJM83** · 12-08-2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Grippy

There is a lot more to a performance car than 1/4 mile times, though you seem fixated on LS1's on the strip.

Agreed, as i posted a couple of times but it seems some people on here are only interested in 1/4 mile times

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Originally Posted by HULK_BA

Its not about windsors

Your right its not about the windsor, but its not about the LS1 either, you seem fixated on it.
Heres another, the Nissan GTR. You only have to look at the effect it had on touring car racing here in OZ.