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I don't know much about the corporate structure of Holden, but who are it's Directors? Are they based here or abroad?
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As an aside, has anyone noticed the lack of content on Drivel.com lately, particularly relating to Ford? Could it be that Ford has gotten the on with them about some of the crap they publish about the Falcon and decided to 'decline' to invite Drive journos to press releases and such? |
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He sure seems to be an "ask questions & tell it like it is then back it up ith facts type of guy!" Shame the drivel hasn't been writing up any of the positive stuff, which there has been plenty of lately. Better than just turning positives into negatives though.
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PS Having a laugh thinking about a situation at work the other day. One mate was looking at a Terri or Adventra V8 and ended buying the Adventra for the power. The other mate was talking up the economy of his Holden Adventra V8 and saying it gets 14s around town. I asked was that off the computer or at the bowser. He said computer, I said well check it. Holden have been known for years to be optimistic with several journo's running out of fuel. Mentioning it was probably mid 15s. He asked why would they do that. I said to make you feel better if your too lazy to check yourself. The other mate then said he'd say that, he likes Fords. To which I got called a Ford loser. Needless to say I mentioned, how many days before GM go bankrupt? The room just burst into laughter! Table quickly turned to inevitable demise (in current form) of GM!
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![]() Some holden fans continue to tell me my XR6T was a waste and should have bought a holden instead. Everytime i see it coming i tell them to hurry up and buy that new commodore or they'll be stuck with the all new 2010 kia commodore ![]() |
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I call bulls&^t that Holden do not know what will happen to them in the event of a GM bankruptcy, this whole situation would be a joke if it were not so serious.
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Somehow me thinks no aussie car maker is immune from the economic downturn.
The rot hasn't even begun in Aus... |
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The GM executives have all started to sell all of their GM stocks in the last week. Lutz was the biggest seller.
I'm not saying Lutz is a rat, because he actually helped Holden get a foothold in the US and in turn awareness of Falcon in the US. But it would appear the rats are leaving the ship. I would 99% expect bankruptcy within the next 2 weeks. All of which is great news for Ford US as they will continue to increase their market share as they have done for 6 of the last 7mths. Chrysler, have just announced that parts of the business will be in Ch11 for 2years... GM is a company more than double the size and with much more downward momentum.
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GM is having problems with the unions.
http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-n...0516-b6le.html Quote:
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Also as some of you may have seen, The closing of dealerships.
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Some more info.
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It's roughly two weeks before we get an announcement from GM regarding their entering CH11. I wonder how long after that consumer confidence in GMH will start to be eroded due to the financial mismanagement of their US parent.
Ford US seem to doing their best as winning over current Chrysler owners, I wonder if Ford AU has a similar plan here with respect to GMH’s retail & fleet business. If they don't they should, it might be time for Ford introduce some adverting mentioning the 50th anniversary of Falcon & it’s plans to build Focus in Australia. You don’t get a better free kick than the one they’re about to be handed. |
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I read somewhere that 1 in 5 Commodores are sold to Gov't departments. If that's the case it's probably a good thing for Ford as Government discounts are through the roof. It'd look good for their sales numbers per month, and help clear out excess stocks, but the profit they're making per unit would be next to nothing.
Another article stated that Toyota were losing Fleet Clients to other makes to who were offering cut pricing, I wonder if this is another GMH tactic to keep Commodore sales number high. If so it's another reason Ford should differentiate themselves from GMH & not sell based on price alone. The more of a pickle GM get themselves into the less likely people are going to buy their product regardless of price. |
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I find it all rather odd. The omega model commodores are the fleet queens for government it would appear, Fords XT is abit more expensive and sales seem to be split equally between XT, XR and G series vehicles. Yet FPV have cheaper (and arguably better across the board) Products for less money than the HSV counterparts.
To me the fact that Omega is cheaper than XT yet bother GT and F6 are cheaper the HSV models makes me think that profit margin has been lost on entry level omega's and HSV buyers are picking up the tab |
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Holden may have also used this method to its advantage where they sell the fleet cars themselves, but dealers the HSVs etc. This way if a dealer has to discount a R8 to compete with an F6 (not sure how likely this is??) the dealer loses the money, not Holden itself. People need to understand that unless Ford offers bonuses (or reduces its dealer pricing) then Ford gets paid whatever the dealer buys the car for. The price you pay is between you and your dealer...whoever has the better witts. The more G6Es ford sells as a % the better. A G6E is probably sold to a dealer for a good $10k more than what ford sells XT fleet cars for. It sure as hell doesn't cost $10k more to build though!!!!
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While the F6 can be regarded as a strong brand, until the GT beats the GTS into a pulp (performance wise) it will still be considered (to the market) as an inferior product & hence the price discrepancy. |
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Dumped dealers will take legal action.
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Holden boss argues his company will stay a viable part of a 'new' GM, but has to base its future on the domestic market
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The last comment was also interesting r.e. no more large projects like the Zeta platform. To me that reads that in the future holden will follow fords current situation and have an "orphan" car, developing off the zeta platform as they see fit while the rest of GM goes their own way. Sounds like they haven't learnt anything at all. It all comes back to GM losing money at a rapid rate, and the outposts having to fend for themselves while the US struggles to survive. All in all bad things for holden. It sounds like there will be less major development of the commodore if holden have to come up with more of the development dollars over a smaller number of sales due to lack of export.
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Hasn't this gone full circle. Holden and the media weren't that long ago purporting the virtues of an export market being their saving grace and that Ford (Aus) couldn't possible survive without it. Sounds ironic now.
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The media were drilling Ford, expecting them to pull up stumps because we didn't get a large export market and saying Holden do etc. Now because Holden are going to focus domestically, they are now agreeing that its the best thing. Quote:
Then he has the hide to essentially hint say they GMHolden may be "only game in town." Perhaps, it was to get back at Ford for saying earlier that day, that they would happily take HSV & C'dore V8 business if/when GM folds. Still, we all know GM & GMH are in far more strife than good prospects Ford.
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With all that is going on in GM world, I have to wonder if Holden will get the funds ($450 million IIRC) from GM to produce this new 4 cyl car at the Elizabeth plant.
Wasn't the deal that the Australian Govt throw in $150 million and the rest would come from the parent company? With all this doom and gloom in GM world and the bankruptcy just around the corner for the parent, what are the chances of Holden getting these funds from the parent, or are we as the tax payer going to foot the bill for the promised amount? Was this 4 cyl car going to be a major export for GMH, or was it a local only car to replace the Daewoo triplets? What does everyone think? Will this project also be on it’s deathbed and what will this also see the slow death of a Commodore as well as a locally produced car? Will we also see the locally built Focus get given the flick as well? Does anyone know if this is still going ahead? Cheers Mark
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