4 young teens lost their lives last night because the driver was showing off - Page 8

MITCHAY · 24-08-2005, 03:39 PM

My belief is that all these restrictions will do is reduce the number (a small number i believe but dont know as fact) of Hi Po cars in accidents. Instead of crashing Hi Po cars they will crash POS cars. I dont believe it will affect the death toll much in a good way.

If the whole point of the restrictions is to reduce deaths but instead all it does is reduce the Hi Po cars involved in accidents how is it worthwile.

They dont count road fatalities by type of car. If one person dies in either car its still a death. All its doin is reducing the Hi Po cars invloved not the deaths that occur. Well this is my belief take what you will from it.

XRQTOR · 24-08-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sourbastard

Easy fix for this debate. If I bring round my 17 year old cousin who has had his P's for 4 weeks, will you let him drive your XR8 with no worries at all? If your answer yes, I'm sure Mitchay, Selekta and Steffo wouldnt mind a go as well. Hell lets open up that invitation to all the P platers on AFF, after all, theres no proof that P platers are any risk at all in a Performance Car, after all they drive just like standard cars right? Insurance companies must know this fact as well, I'm sure its the same price to insure a 17 year old with an XR8 as it is for an XT.

Still feel confident with your argument? Put your car where your keyboard is mate.

I know I wont let my daughter drive my Ute or the XP when she is on her P's or L's.

Hell i'm even going off to do a driving course so that I trust myself with the XP. And you expect me to believe a P Plater with bugger all experience can be trusted in it 110%?

Noone has said this will fix everything, no one thing ever fixes everything on any complex problem, but I know this, It wont hurt anyone further, it isnt likely to get anyone killed from trying, and at the end of the day it makes atleast some sense, even if you dont.

My first car was a relativly stock EF xr8 which i had for 12 months, my current car is a MKII Ba xr8 which i bought when i was still a teen. Im still alive, yes im a hoon i speed and do big burnouts. Nearly everyone i know with a high po car is stupid at times but know their and their cars limits, what scares me is some of the things you see people do in the smaller less powerfull cars to have fun.

Guns dont kill people, people kill people. If you honestly belive that banning p platers from anything but an excell will stop them from killling themselfs your dead wrong.

Heeno · 24-08-2005, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

My belief is that all these restrictions will do is reduce the number (a small number i believe but dont know as fact) of Hi Po cars in accidents. Instead of crashing Hi Po cars they will crash POS cars. I dont believe it will affect the death toll much in a good way.

If the whole point of the restrictions is to reduce deaths but instead all it does is reduce the Hi Po cars involved in accidents how is it worthwile.

They dont count road fatalities by type of car. If one person dies in either car its still a death. All its doin is reducing the Hi Po cars invloved not the deaths that occur. Well this is my belief take what you will from it.

i agree with you, personally if i had a nice hipo car say a RZtt Supra i would treat it like gold, something like an 88 corolla i wouldn't care about at all.

Laminge · 24-08-2005, 03:55 PM

Its amazing sourbastard when you attempt to answer their reasoning they seems to go back into the freezer to pull out another bag of frozen pees for another beating.....

Even though I have the flu, and its a bugger to laugh without bring up half a lung, this thread is very amusing!

Casper · 24-08-2005, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Nearly everyone i know with a high po car is stupid at times but know their and their cars limits

Sorry, but after 17 years of driving and multiple driving course I still dont truely understand the limits of my skills or my cars capabilities... nor to I believe anyone else on this site. Yes, I have a very good idea and yes, I make a point of staying under my PRECIEVED limits by a fair margin but I still get suprised as conditions change so quickly that it is sometimes hard to absorb all the information and react.
Saying you know your limits is just lying to yourself. Best you can know is your precieved limits which may or may not be anything close to the reality of the time.

Control is an illusion.

Sourbastard · 24-08-2005, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

My first car was a relativly stock EF xr8 which i had for 12 months, my current car is a MKII Ba xr8 which i bought when i was still a teen. Im still alive, yes im a hoon i speed and do big burnouts. Nearly everyone i know with a high po car is stupid at times but know their and their cars limits, what scares me is some of the things you see people do in the smaller less powerfull cars to have fun.

Guns dont kill people, people kill people. If you honestly belive that banning p platers from anything but an excell will stop them from killling themselfs your dead wrong.

Yeah thats right, if you had been driving a lesser car you would surely be dead by now......

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And no guns dont kill people, but its damn hard to shoot down an airliner with a rock isnt it.

TheSneakiness · 24-08-2005, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Im still alive, yes im a hoon i speed and do big burnouts.

Just baited yourself there, didn't you?

XRQTOR · 24-08-2005, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sourbastard

Yeah thats right, if you had been driving a lesser car you would surely be dead by now......

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And no guns dont kill people, but its damn hard to shoot down an airliner with a rock isnt it.

Never said that mate, no matter what car you put people in they'll try and be stupid. It's much safer to have them be stupid in a half decent car than a box.

Unless you using a .5o cal whats the point. You also made my point to, if there was no gun to use they'd fine another way.................................

Casper · 24-08-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Unless you using a .5o cal whats the point.

So if the gun isnt powerful enough it wont kill anyone???

XRQTOR · 24-08-2005, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AUII_SE_Ute

Just baited yourself there, didn't you?

I have no need to hide it, the tire pile is to big now. In mexico or at Wizard of course.

XRQTOR · 24-08-2005, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

So if the gun isnt powerful enough it wont kill anyone???

Who was talking about power......... I just mentioned the size of the slug.

GraveDilute · 24-08-2005, 04:16 PM

having a more powerful car will encourage you to test your limits. this is human nature. add this to being inexperienced, and more susceptible to peer pressure...yes, P platers are going to have more accidents.
more powerful cars should be restricted until you can prove that you are able to handle it. like a motorbike licence; you've got to have your licence for a few years before you can move up to a bigger bike, right?

TheSneakiness · 24-08-2005, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GraveDilute

having a more powerful car will encourage you to test your limits. this is human nature. add this to being inexperienced, and more susceptible to peer pressure...yes, P platers are going to have more accidents.
more powerful cars should be restricted until you can prove that you are able to handle it. like a motorbike licence; you've got to have your licence for a few years before you can move up to a bigger bike, right?

If it were to be re-worked that way, to move up, you'd have to be tested to prove you could handle it, am I right?

gozza · 24-08-2005, 04:19 PM

i agree that idiots will be idiots but theres catch 22
do we give em a powerfull yet safe as hell car so when they crash they'll survive..
or
a not very powerfull thats as safe as a driving in a shoebox and wtaching them splat...

maybe young people should be allowed to drive wateva car they want as long as its steel plated and reinforced with all sorts or heavy material which in hindsight will make it slow anyway which then makes u think....get a volvo

Heeno · 24-08-2005, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

So if the gun isnt powerful enough it wont kill anyone???

well if its not powerful enough, how does it kill?? an air rifle won't kill you, i know i've been shot with one multipul times

Sourbastard · 24-08-2005, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Never said that mate, no matter what car you put people in they'll try and be stupid. It's much safer to have them be stupid in a half decent car than a box.

Unless you using a .5o cal whats the point. You also made my point to, if there was no gun to use they'd fine another way.................................

Wow.... just.... wow.

XRQTOR · 24-08-2005, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AUII_SE_Ute

If it were to be re-worked that way, to move up, you'd have to be tested to prove you could handle it, am I right?

But whats the difference between driving a lazer and a Ba xr8 while adhearing to the road rules.

Casper · 24-08-2005, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Who was talking about power......... I just mentioned the size of the slug.

Riiiiiiight.

Heeno · 24-08-2005, 04:24 PM

lol im lost what are we arguing about now??

Casper · 24-08-2005, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Heeno

well if its not powerful enough, how does it kill?? an air rifle won't kill you, i know i've been shot with one multipul times

it kind of shows......

If we look at this analogy in reference to cars.... then the logical conclusion is that if a car isnt powerful enough....then the impact is less capable of causing injury...right?

I have changed my mind... all P Platers can now get resticted to golf cart... what do I care, I'm fully licenced

: mwahahahahahahahaha

TheSneakiness · 24-08-2005, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

But whats the difference between driving a lazer and a Ba xr8 while adhearing to the road rules.

Longer wheel base, 4 more cylinders, and a s**t load more power.

But...

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Originally Posted by GraveDilute

having a more powerful car will encourage you to test your limits.

See, what if your test your limit, and take it that tiny step further? Do you value your life on overstepping your limit?

Sourbastard · 24-08-2005, 04:27 PM

OK back on atleast a semblence of the topic or i'm gonna close this sucker.
XRQTOR, go back and reread this thread slowly, most of what you have yelled has been addressed already.
Gozza, stop talking about your ***.
Heeno.... just.... yeah.

XRQTOR · 24-08-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

it kind of shows......

If we look at this analogy in reference to cars.... then the logical conclusion is that if a car isnt powerful enough....then the impact is less capable of causing injury...right?

I have changed my mind... all P Platers can now get resticted to golf cart... what do I care, I'm fully licenced

: mwahahahahahahahaha

But if no one was stupid with the gun no one would get hurt correct.

**Chris** · 24-08-2005, 04:31 PM

I have had 3 experiences. One was in a small car that wasn't speeding, Male passenger died, one was with a HSV comm, speeding, Male passenger died.

The other one I wont talk about, but i miss him more everyday.

look after yourselves guys, we get only one chance.

Casper · 24-08-2005, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

But if no one was stupid with the gun no one would get hurt correct.

but you have already admitted to being stupid. I'd sure as hell prefer you to do so (if you must) with a slug gun/golfcart than an 88mm/GT.

Heeno · 24-08-2005, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AUII_SE_Ute

See, what if your test your limit, and take it that tiny step further? Do you value your life on overstepping your limit?

going from a weak car to a high performance doesn't also upgrade your limits, remember that, though alot of people seem to think it does.

TheSneakiness · 24-08-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Heeno

going from a weak car to a high performance doesn't also upgrade your limits, remember that

Actually, if I were to go from my ute (which if given a bootful, can bite back), to a BA GT, I'd be wary of how I drive it. Not because of the price, but because of the extra power, which I wouldn't be used to.

Casper · 24-08-2005, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Heeno

going from a weak car to a high performance doesn't also upgrade your limits, remember that, though alot of people seem to think it does.

No, of course it doesnt... however valuble experiance gained does upgrade you capability to understand actions and reactions better. That and the testoserone is usually starting to calm down a bit an common sense (with is badly named) has started to learn by experiance. Limits have not been upgraded but unterstanding of where those limits are certainly has.

This thread is starting to remind me of WW1. Mad buggers running without a clue into scathing and accruate machinegun fire. Over and over and over again. Fish, Barrel, Loud bangs.

XRQTOR · 24-08-2005, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

but you have already admitted to being stupid. I'd sure as hell prefer you to do so (if you must) with a slug gun/golfcart than an 88mm/GT.

Might leave the other toys out of it for now.

When im stupid/having fun i know my limits, i know what my car is capable of and dont push further. I'll be the first to admit im not the best driver in the world but im capable of driving my car on the road.

Sourbastard · 24-08-2005, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Might leave the other toys out of it for now.

When im stupid/having fun i know my limits, i know what my car is capable of and dont push further. I'll be the first to admit im not the best driver in the world but im capable of driving my car on the road.

The road isnt for "Fun" Nor "Stupidity", thats where the limit is, its not while being stupid, its whats referred to as dont be stupid in the first place. Thats the limit.

You are a walking talking example of why children shouldnt own anything more powerful then a shopping trolley. You seem to think the rules dont apply to you, because nothing bad will happen, because "I know my limits". You think you are invincible on the road, and you are able to control what happens.

Well while you are positive that cars and guns dont kill people, im just as positive that one day your luck will run out, and you will kill people, and yourself as well.