Yes! New Ford Territory first official image! - Page 8

whynot · 17-12-2010, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

True, but ground clearance has also been mentioned before as one of the Territory's downfall's, hopefully it is something they can look into for the future ?.

My personal view is that I hope they don’t increase the ground clearance. The higher it becomes, the more it comprises the Territory’s car like handling. Is ground clearance a big issue for the majority of the Territory’s applications?

BAxtER · 17-12-2010, 10:12 AM

When im on the road i sometimes observe 'groups of people' and vehicles they drive. Ive noticed alot of mazda cx7 drivers are fairly young single. IMO this market of buyers would be attracted by this new terri. A very nice vehicle it is! Well done Ford Aus.

Paxton · 17-12-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by fordman6

My thoughts exactly! IMO, diesel should have come with SY MkII, but alas we are getting all these changes in one go which is basically giving us a whole(-ish) new model that could potentially last a long time without needing to be refreshed. And I doubt Ford have had a large budget in this model anyway! (Does anyone know roughly?)

Do remember, IF the next Falc / Territory take a turn for what some call the worst, it would be a disastrous waste if Ford introduces a $800M upgrade a few years before the particular model (in its then current form) disappears...

If Geoff Polites got his way, Ford would have released a Diesel Territory when the ZF upgrades hit. The work was already done, and ready to go. Under Tom Gorman, the decision was reversed, and Territory was left to wither on the vine.

csv8 · 17-12-2010, 11:15 AM

The new Tezza needs a 2500kg towing capacity. Most caravans are now around 2 tonne. 2300kg towing capacity isn't quite legal. That would increase sales..Mitsu and Nissan have increased their towing capacity....

barra265t · 17-12-2010, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor

So what do we think this model will be called?

Presumable it will be SZ as we have had SX, SY, SYII.

Though in my opinion it would have made more sense if the identical in appearance SY was actually SXII and the mild facelift that is called SYII was actually just SY.

Ford never seem to do what makes most sense

Why does this naming scheme sound familiar.. hmm VX VY VYII VZ

EFFalcon · 17-12-2010, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by barra265t

Why does this naming scheme sound familiar.. hmm VX VY VYII VZ

because its the alphabet?

X-Y-Z

Road_Warrior · 17-12-2010, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by csv8

The new Tezza needs a 2500kg towing capacity. Most caravans are now around 2 tonne. 2300kg towing capacity isn't quite legal. That would increase sales..Mitsu and Nissan have increased their towing capacity....

2300kg is only going to be 'not quite legal' if the owner of the vehicle exceeds the GVM - its not Ford's problem. Don't exceed the rated GVM of the car and you won't have a problem.

I think it has been said the towing capacity has been upped to 3 tonne anyway - it was posted in one of the threads.

vztrt · 17-12-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by whynot

My personal view is that I hope they don’t increase the ground clearance. The higher it becomes, the more it comprises the Territory’s car like handling. Is ground clearance a big issue for the majority of the Territory’s applications?

I dont see why they would. The vehicle has been pushed as an SUV that feels like a car to drive and not a truck. If they jack it up they will ruin the it. Optioned factory loweredon the other hand.....

Brazen · 17-12-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

2300kg is only going to be 'not quite legal' if the owner of the vehicle exceeds the GVM - its not Ford's problem. Don't exceed the rated GVM of the car and you won't have a problem.

I think it has been said the towing capacity has been upped to 3 tonne anyway - it was posted in one of the threads.

3 tonne! No way...? What a coup if it is. I was think it would be more around the 2.5 tonne mark.. It would be good if the ute got the upgraded tow rating too.

Personally I think the Territory could afford a 10mm increase in ground clearance with how good it drives at the moment.

Road_Warrior · 17-12-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by whynot

Is ground clearance a big issue for the majority of the Territory’s applications?

Only for people that go full on bush bashing in their Territory and you could probably count on your hands the amount of Territory owners that do. And they are all probably members of this forum!

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Originally Posted by Brazen

3 tonne! No way...? What a coup if it is. I was think it would be more around the 2.5 tonne mark.. It would be good if the ute got the upgraded tow rating too.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure a towing capacity increase was mooted because there were some structural changes made under the car.

EDIT: I've just checked, I was wrong. More like 2500kg.

Brazen · 17-12-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Only for people that go full on bush bashing in their Territory and you could probably count on your hands the amount of Territory owners that do. And they are all probably members of this forum!

Yeah but half the appeal of cars like this is to give the illusion of hitting the outback. So few do need full capability, but it does sell cars. People want to be able to think they can go off-road even if they never do.

I doubt we will see any increase, we would already be seeing mules sporting more ground clearance.

Plastic wheel arch extensions, 15mm lift, taller rugged tyres coupled with the diesel would be a popular little option pack. But I realise there is only so much money going around to develope these things.

Bobman · 17-12-2010, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor

So what do we think this model will be called?

Presumable it will be SZ as we have had SX, SY, SYII.

Probably a new model code all together. "A" and "B" series didn't last long, so Ford seem to put out a new code for every major model change these days.

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Originally Posted by barra265t

Why does this naming scheme sound familiar.. hmm VX VY VYII VZ

You forgot VXII and VZ "update". As EFFalcon said, it's the alphabet!

Road_Warrior · 17-12-2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Yeah but half the appeal of cars like this is to give the illusion of hitting the outback. So few do need full capability, but it does sell cars. People want to be able to think they can go off-road even if they never do.

I doubt we will see any increase, we would already be seeing mules sporting more ground clearance.

Plastic wheel arch extensions, 15mm lift, taller rugged tyres coupled with the diesel would be a popular little option pack. But I realise there is only so much money going around to develope these things.

60% of Territories sold are RWD-only versions which suggests that the appeal of this vehicle has little to do with a perceived off road capability and more with having a flexible family wagon that simply works. Ford made no secret of the fact the Territory was not a bush basher and was developed to replace the traditional sedan and family wagon and it shows.

Franco Cozzo · 17-12-2010, 05:23 PM

This will be interesting, how much would the shape and interior change? I wonder if ambulance victoria will still use these as paramedic cars now that everything is going to have to be changed.

Bobman · 17-12-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

This will be interesting, how much would the shape and interior change? I wonder if ambulance victoria will still use these as paramedic cars now that everything is going to have to be changed.

Can't see why not. They went from EF/EL/AU to VX/VY/VZ to Holden Adventra to the Territory.

csv8 · 17-12-2010, 05:31 PM

Road_Warrior..Thats great if it is 2500kgs..3000kgs would be too much. Thats Landrover etc.

barra265t · 17-12-2010, 06:46 PM

Just caught a glimpse of a white one flying down Taylor road, keilor downs, opposite direction to me. It had as little cladding as a bikini model. headlights and taillights in full view. Front end resembles the latest vw golf/ford escape and rear end is reminiscent of ve sportwagon at first glance. The carryover middle section stuck out like a sore thumb though.

LeadFoot81 · 17-12-2010, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by barra265t

Just caught a glimpse of a white one flying down Taylor road, keilor downs, opposite direction to me. It had as little cladding as a bikini model. headlights and taillights in full view. Front end resembles the latest vw golf/ford escape and rear end is reminiscent of ve sportwagon at first glance. The carryover middle section stuck out like a sore thumb though.

Were the tail lights completely different or the same shape as the current ones, but with different internals?

galaxy xr8 · 17-12-2010, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

60% of Territories sold are RWD-only versions which suggests that the appeal of this vehicle has little to do with a perceived off road capability and more with having a flexible family wagon that simply works. Ford made no secret of the fact the Territory was not a bush basher and was developed to replace the traditional sedan and family wagon and it shows.

Where did you get those sale fiqures from ?.

Franco Cozzo · 17-12-2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobman

Can't see why not. They went from EF/EL/AU to VX/VY/VZ to Holden Adventra to the Territory.

Yes, but the problem is the companies who convert the car into a mica paramedic need to redesign all the equipment so it fits in.

Also there is talk of AV ditching the Territory because of its "bad handling" O_o.

go_ford · 17-12-2010, 08:19 PM

why do americans love huge grills??

vztrt · 17-12-2010, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by go_ford

why do americans love huge grills??

Have you has a look as Audi's lately.

Bobman · 17-12-2010, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

Yes, but the problem is the companies who convert the car into a mica paramedic need to redesign all the equipment so it fits in.

Also there is talk of AV ditching the Territory because of its "bad handling" O_o.

I see what you mean but don't think the interior shape will be changed all that much if at all (hopefully). The ones I see fly past on code 1 calls every day seem to handle quite fine!

Franco Cozzo · 17-12-2010, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobman

I see what you mean but don't think the interior shape will be changed all that much if at all (hopefully). The ones I see fly past on code 1 calls every day seem to handle quite fine!

Yeah, they told us they're looking at Subaru Foresters, apparently the drivers tend to bash up the Territory a lot.

Bobman · 17-12-2010, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

Yeah, they told us they're looking at Subaru Foresters, apparently the drivers tend to bash up the Territory a lot.

Yeah, they had a few of them a couple of years ago too:

barra265t · 17-12-2010, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

Were the tail lights completely different or the same shape as the current ones, but with different internals?

Appeared to be a different shape altogether. They wrap around more to the edges, like the VE sportswagon. Also appear to be higher up and stop halfway down, whereas the original territory lights went down all the way.

Gobes32 · 18-12-2010, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobman

I see what you mean but don't think the interior shape will be changed all that much if at all (hopefully). The ones I see fly past on code 1 calls every day seem to handle quite fine!

Would not be surprised to find out they were testing SS sportwagons for paramedic duties either.......

au2000 · 18-12-2010, 09:15 AM

saw a new terri last night on the ring rd going the opposite way, had much less cammo on it & with what i can see it looks like the rear tail lights look similar to the fg...

block58 · 18-12-2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by au2000

saw a new terri last night on the ring rd going the opposite way, had much less cammo on it & with what i can see it looks like the rear tail lights look similar to the fg...

Geelong ring road? It's just a matter of time before someone gets a shot of the exposed front/rear.

au2000 · 18-12-2010, 12:36 PM

no, western ring rd headed from nth, suburbs towards geelong / city ... it only had the black stickers on the sides but im pretty sure the side of the taillights had the same shape as the fg ones..