Ecoboost whats the point

[4dlvr]

Originally Posted by olds

Ok may get shot down here but I cant see anybody except fleets and taxis wanting ecoboost over the I6 . Convince me otherwise .

Innovation, competitive advantage, corporate social responsibility..
Need I say more???
Do some research buddy

[Rodge]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

iread this thread from the start and i dont know how you kept your cool for 7pages before you had to shove blatant COMMONSENSE FACTS in peoples faces. I seriously cant believe their are clowns who think a diesel falcon would be worth it to FORD AUS. If ya know anything these days , its that dieselssell in utilities and suvs...NOT SEDANS.

Wasn't till I mentioned that the 2.7 diesel would weigh ~ 120 kg's more than Ecoboost and that performance was 2 seconds slower to 100 km's that the "rocket scientists" backing the concept of a diesel Falc realised they were barking up the wrong tree. Even if Ford could get access to a really modern all alloy diesel engine it would still have quite a pronounced effect on the cars handling. I'm going to try out an EB in due course.

[Fiesta_Man69]

At the end of the day, arguing the merits for or against the EB doesn't really matter.

Let's just see the sales figures in 6 months time. As Ford fans and supporters of local industry, I'm sure we all hope they are outstanding and lift the Falcon off the carpet.

[barra240t]

Originally Posted by csv8

A few BMW's come to mind......

Yeah, I can see the guys on the Merc and BMW forums asking what is the point of a 4 cylinder rear wheel drive sedan.

NOT.

[Chilliman]

The EcoBoost Falcon is the kind of project that warrants a massive advertising/media campaign...not just to hopefully increase Falcon's sales but for the wider image of Ford Australia.

Currently they are viewed by the average consumer as the 'Falcon Car Company'...the rest of the range is virtually invisible to them. And when they think of the Falcon, they think of a large fuel-guzzling car with an old-tech engine.

Changing the image of Falcon, to that of an efficient large car with a hi-tech engine, would do wonders for the entire brand!

[Matty4]

This month's Top Gear magazine has a full page review of the EB. It paints it as a very capable car. The biggest issue though is this

The Falcon's fundamental problem is that the badge, and the car itself, have become fossilised, with zero aspirational pull for anybody bar a few blue-corner tragics, and - surprise, surprise - all the cachet of a clunky, noxious, beaten-up taxi.

The final sentence,

The EB4 could very well be one of the best Falcons yet. But that doesn't matter. It's all over before it's even started.

Mainstream media already know the death of the Falcon is coming. Gov't money is just delaying the inevitable. Without that money, it would already have gone.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Chilliman

Currently they are viewed by the average consumer as the 'Falcon Car Company'...the rest of the range is virtually invisible to them.

is that why fiesta, focus, territory, ranger etc are selling as good as or better than ever before??

i think its the opposite. i think its the fans that still see them as the falcon car company.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Vic and Qld don't have the Daily Telegraph: Sydney's and NSW's most widely read newspaper, and one that sells copies by sensationalising stories. They got a lot of milage from the p plater ban on turbo cars after a spate of crashes. They don't care about details, such as power to weight, they justare about headlines. The tele was also instrumental for smashing labor, day after day, for months before the last election that saw the libs win in a landslide.
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yeah, becuase Vic & Qld dont have major papers writing sensaltionalises stoires.. Come on mate, give it up!!!

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Vic and Qld don't have the Daily Telegraph: Sydney's and NSW's most widely read newspaper, and one that sells copies by sensationalising stories. They got a lot of milage from the p plater ban on turbo cars after a spate of crashes. They don't care about details, such as power to weight, they justare about headlines. The tele was also instrumental for smashing labor, day after day, for months before the last election that saw the libs win in a landslide.

Of recent, there has been an absense of p plater crashes in NSW.

Roads Minister Duncan Gay would be committing political suicide to touch the laws at the moment. If they were changed, with the power to weight rules etc. and then a p plater died - whether it was directly relevant to the change in laws or not - then there would be hell to pay. The NSW govt. has more important things on its plate right now, such as crippling rolling strikes from teachers.

The wait for such a change will be a long one, though I hope I am wrong.

what a *** WASTE OF A POST . CRIPPLING ROLLING TEACHERS STRIKES WTF . a real life altering event . i coant believe how people always support fkng themselves over by rediculing people who try to protect the countries rights . i'm so sick of people like you selling out australia .

i suppose your another FF , WHO THINKS you deserve to be fed cause you stamp paper work or something for a living for crap money and no job security , or a rolling in it for doing the same , either way , your all tarred with the same brush , and have to bring it into wether the govt should spend time on an ecoboost engine or not . as long as people like you are around AUSTRALIA has no hope .

[Fiesta_Man69]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

what a *** WASTE OF A POST . CRIPPLING ROLLING TEACHERS STRIKES WTF . a real life altering event . i coant believe how people always support fkng themselves over by rediculing people who try to protect the countries rights . i'm so sick of people like you selling out australia .

i suppose your another FF , WHO THINKS you deserve to be fed cause you stamp paper work or something for a living for crap money and no job security , or a rolling in it for doing the same , either way , your all tarred with the same brush , and have to bring it into wether the govt should spend time on an ecoboost engine or not . as long as people like you are around AUSTRALIA has no hope .

Selling out Australia? Really?

Facts are, right at the moment the EB cannot be driven by P platers in NSW. Stating that fact is selling out Australia?

Or is saying that NSW Lib govt won't necessarily follow other states in allowing power/weight ratio because of politics (and the aggressive anti-hoon campaign they ran against labor that they can't really backflip on right now) selling out Australia?

Or is stating the EB is a great car years too late with no advertising support from Ford selling out Australia.

Really?

Then you have the audacity to have a dig about my job about which you have no idea, whilst avoiding the censor....

Sorry champ, it ain't 1985 anymore: Australia has moved on. If I'm wrong, then sales figures will prove it over the next 6 months, as the EB brings the Falcon back from the dead and beyond 2016..... which is what all Ford fans hope for but dred won't happen, especially if they don't advertise!! Listening, Ford PR?

[Fiesta_Man69]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

yeah, becuase Vic & Qld dont have major papers writing sensaltionalises stoires.. Come on mate, give it up!!!

Not like the Daily Telegraph they don't... the tele makes ACA and TT look like respectable journalism...

[flappist]

Stop the bickering.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Not like the Daily Telegraph they don't... the tele makes ACA and TT look like respectable journalism...

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...518-1yulp.html

I'd say based on the comments in this article that is is very possible that NSW could change the law!! A review is underway anyway, which at least means there is some hope.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

Was probably a base service. Often diesels require special oil, regular filter replacements and injector recalibration. Its good when the DPF ***** itself too.

Just about all group IV synthetic oils will meet diesel standards as well, the only big issue is the oil needs to be some special low ash oil for the DPF.

Death to the DPF.

[geehaa]

wow. 224 posts on this. make that 225

[csv8]

gtfpv..QLD does have the Daily Telegraph...its in our newsagents, everyday...

[flooded one]

flattning toads thats the answer too the original post

[RASER]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Whats the rego price for a 4 cylinder vehicle against 6/8 and 12 in QLD? Also what about 3 cylinder engines like the Suzuki Alto or 2 cylinder engine like the Fiat TwinAir?

That FIAT Twin cylinder donk is genius, is current world engine of the year winner.

Dont tell them what is under the bonnet and they would not even know!

[RASER]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Just about all group IV synthetic oils will meet diesel standards as well, the only big issue is the oil needs to be some special low ash oil for the DPF.

Death to the DPF.

DPF only needs a longish drive on the hwy, or a good P-Plater thrashing to reset and clean itself, no permant damage

[RASER]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

Diesel engines are for ships !!!

I suggest you go drive a modern one.

Turbo diesels lovvvvvveeee to be and take to tweaking!

REFER:

~ 289kmh!

http://www.caradvice.com.au/50823/bm...st-diesel-car/

7s - 1/4m

http://www.cumminsracing.com/

[brett7777]

I think the prob is advertising. Holden, Hyundai, VW, Lexus, are all over my TV screen at prime time.
I dunno if the average guy on the street here knows there is such a thing as a 4cyl Falcon

[RASER]

Originally Posted by Ford PR

Suggest you might want to have a look at the latest Wheels review that has just gone on sale.

Oh the irony, car magaines [esp. junk like wheels] are dying and falling in sales, just like the Falcon, print media is finished, nobody gave a flying-**** years ago about wheels, even less now.

Here, no big expensive pow-wow required by your managment to stop the Falcon rot.

1/ Increase/double the warranty period to, 6yr/200,000km
2/ Reduce vehicle price, set a realistic RRP, better for resale too.
3/ Free vehicle services for 4 years/130,000km.
4/ Fixed buy-back price, conditional of course.
5/ More [even some] Ford/owner interaction, family days etc
6/ Free tickets to motorshow/horse-races/motor-races etc
7/ Better centre bench seat in ute [thats for me!]
8/ Larger cabin in UTE [thats also for me too!]
9/ Better and and more attention to vehicle quality/assymble [go visit Toyota in Altona, see how its done]
10/ No more silly spare-parts prices


Thats for starters, get cracking!!

[prydey]

Originally Posted by brett7777

I think the prob is advertising. Holden, Hyundai, VW, Lexus, are all over my TV screen at prime time.
I dunno if the average guy on the street here knows there is such a thing as a 4cyl Falcon

do you know the cylinder count of every other car on the market? do you know the unique drivetrains of other makers??

refer here
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11366263

ford the most recognised car brand.

ford are being very conservative with the ecoboost promotion. for whatever reason and by their own admission, they are only planning on selling about 2000 in the first 12months. i'm sure they have their reasons. maybe they realise, that, like ecolpi, its not going to fly out the door, but take a while to build sales. its better to start low and sell them, then aim high and have them sitting around.

the way i see it, if they can get falcon up to between 1500-2000 and territory up around 1500 as well, then with the increase in all other models they are still selling a decent number of cars in australia. the local product may or may not be ultra profitable on its own but overall i think they would be doing ok.

ecoboost has its spot. commodore went down a similar path with the 3L. its just a cheaper to run large car and compared to 3L commodore, the ecoboost has it covered.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by RASER

Here, no big expensive pow-wow required by your managment to stop the Falcon rot.

1/ Increase/double the warranty period to, 6yr/200,000km
2/ Reduce vehicle price, set a realistic RRP, better for resale too.
3/ Free vehicle services for 4 years/130,000km.
4/ Fixed buy-back price, conditional of course.
5/ More [even some] Ford/owner interaction, family days etc
6/ Free tickets to motorshow/horse-races/motor-races etc
7/ Better centre bench seat in ute [thats for me!]
8/ Larger cabin in UTE [thats also for me too!]
9/ Better and and more attention to vehicle quality/assymble [go visit Toyota in Altona, see how its done]
10/ No more silly spare-parts prices


Thats for starters, get cracking!!

1/i think that is extreme. 5years/150 000km would be more realistic. they have offered 5year warranties before on limited models
2/Do you understand how the RRP works,esp in relation to fleets?
3/totally unrealistic. how would the dealerships survive?
4/you expect them to be able to predict the market. if you want a fixed price buy back, perhaps the condition is the price of the model you replace it with is also fixed. its a 2 way street.
5/and 6/ just seems like some need to feel warm and fuzzy.
7/ and 8/ buy a ranger if you want a bigger ute
9/have you driven an FG. quality is a big step up. i hear horror stories from a range of makes, not just ford!
10/agreed. i try to buy genuine where i can but the prices of some parts force me to go non genuine.

[barra240t]

Originally Posted by flappist

Yeh well April sucked anyway, no one did very much. May is looking slightly better.....

Just did our first this morning! As predicted G6 limited ecoboost, can't go wrong. Our test drive bookings are slowly increasing as well. Good news for Falcon Ecoboost.

Just waiting for someone to shoot down this positive post now...

[Rockape]

Thats good news i want this car to do well.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by barra240t

Just did our first this morning! As predicted G6 limited ecoboost, can't go wrong. Our test drive bookings are slowly increasing as well. Good news for Falcon Ecoboost.

Just waiting for someone to shoot down this positive post now...

Was working in Kingaroy today and there was a EB G6E with all the goodies in the centre of the showroom. It got a reasonable amount of attention and there was a lot of activity on REVS so May might end up not so bad after all.

I will be working in Coolum on Friday so if I get a chance I will sus your demo out.

[olds]

Originally Posted by 4dlvr

Innovation, competitive advantage, corporate social responsibility..
Need I say more???
Do some research buddy

Defiantly innovative and socially responsible just cant figure out who they are competing with

[prydey]

Originally Posted by olds

just cant figure out who they are competing with

3L commo for starters. hardly a fair contest though.

[nstg8a]

i actually think the eb was the perfect opportunity to bring a new badge to australia... i think there is too much history in the falcon name and no amount of advertising will change the 'stigma' associated it with it.