fastest holden ever claims joshua dowling

[Elks]

True Dave. Mine did a 12.4 stock. At Heathcote on a cold night. But stock.

Now I have my wider tyres we will see if I can better that. It certainly has a lot more grip on the streets. So perhaps a 12.2 with a bit of luck and a tailwind.

I've outrun C63's. I fear not a GTS.

[devoGT]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

American track times are ridiculously fast, they run on extremely sticky drag strips using track timing, which does not include rollout?

So rollout is going to add .6 to the time...

[FGX-351]

By the sounds of it I think some people are expecting another LS1 domination type scenario with this new engine lol.

The Miami 5.0 has ALOT left in it should Ford choose to fight fire with fire but with some of the numbers people are getting down the strip they may not even have to.

The real question is for people willing to pay X amount more money(and features aside) for the latest and greatest, will it be that much nicer to drive than the less costly model it replaces?

[T3ts50]

Originally Posted by Mighty Reds

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...429-2io5e.html

That front end, ewwww

I'm pretty sure that is the current Grange in those pics.

[Motorbreath310]

Ford have an opportunity here. They have the performance capability to near-enough match HSV's top-tier offering (LSA GTS) yet they're priced at what you could call Clubsport money. If this FH update rolled out enough new features, tech and an aggressive look/stance I reckon a lot of HSV buyers would jump ship from their similar-priced NA offerings.

I am aware that even a lot of former die hard Holden lovers have jumped into XR6t's and F6's, perhaps the scenario could repeat itself for those who want a cheaper, supercharged offering? What makes me say this is I've been browsing other forums looking for VF info and stumbled across a thread where a lot of VE HSV owners were complaining that their cars performance didn't quite kickstart their hearts like they expected them to. You put someone in an F6 or Miami and see if they say that...

Edit: For the record, despite what I've said in other posts, I still lust after VTII GTS's, and VY/VZ Clubsports. And I wouldn't say no to an E3 GTS.....

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by devoGT

So rollout is going to add .6 to the time...

No, but an extremely sticky track will.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by T3ts50

I'm pretty sure that is the current Grange in those pics.

No...different dash.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by SSVPom

"AAAND, my housemate has a VE SS with a exhaust and tune and it is slow as ****. I also know another young bloke that had a VE SS ute and I went for a ride in it and it was painfully slow. I don't care what anyone says."

And I don't care what anybody says either, but there is no way you can describe a 6.0V8 SS as "slow".

no offense but heres some holden mentality right here....its a "6.0ltre""V8" "SS".
Just incase you missed its a SIX litre V EIGHT...so it must be FAST...that's a huge number

[fgpsi]

What kind of quarter times does everyone think it'll be capable of ?

Mid 12s?

[Wretched]

Don't care much for 1/4 mile times, I am wanting to see how it can get around a circuit.
I want to see how it can put all that power to the ground and what kind of laptimes it can do.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by Wretched

Don't care much for 1/4 mile times, I am wanting to see how it can get around a circuit.
I want to see how it can put all that power to the ground and what kind of laptimes it can do.

that's exactly what im waiting for...all this garbage about the FG having to much power for its chasis or some garbage. All it is is that you have more power then the rears can handle at full throttle, so you have to drive with SKILL. So im waiting for all the calls from journos saying its overpowering its chasis......idiots

[madmelon]

Whoops...posted confirmation of LSA into the wrong topic. See carpoint for the article...

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

that's exactly what im waiting for...all this garbage about the FG having to much power for its chasis or some garbage. All it is is that you have more power then the rears can handle at full throttle, so you have to drive with SKILL. So im waiting for all the calls from journos saying its overpowering its chasis......idiots

Well it'll be interesting considering in last years Performance Car Cup in Motor the GT R-Spec didn't exactly set the world on fire with its laptime around Sydney Motorsport Park circuit. The Focus ST was within reach of it and if I recall the Megane RS265 posted a faster time.

So I would like to see how HSV can put all this power to the ground for a good laptime considering it apparently has the same power as a FPV GT (based on dyno figures that members here have quoted). If it can't efficiently use all that power then I can't see the point of constantly increasing it.

[mcnews]

Fatness is the Falcon/Commodore problem if you want to talk outright track performance.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Wretched

If it can't efficiently use all that power then I can't see the point of constantly increasing it.

Bragging rights......end of story

Would be lucky if 5% of any FPV / HSV's sold saw regular track time with owners interested in track performance. More pub talk I reckon.
My *&^% is bigger than yours........... Its what sells performance cars in Australia.

[GodOwnsAnFPV]

Credit where credit is due for HSV, they have really pushed the envelope on the GTS when the economic times could have easily served as an excuse to bring modest upgrades to the market. Ford/FPV fans should live in hope that this spurs FPV onto greater heights and forces their hand on R-Spec running gear carry-over's and perhaps an end of model intercooled GT-H that eclipses the GTS specs. I really hope this happens for the many FPV loyalists on this forum, but more importantly, to start recruiting young earners into the FPV brand so that it may survive. Sadly some die-hard fans, myself included, have grown impatient and their hard earned is being leaked to other brands. Case in point, after 5 FPV's (4 F6's & a 335 GT) I found I had nowhere to go within the brand and have thrown the money down on an AMG A45...first world problem I know, but certainly a heavy heart leaving the blue oval. Dan.

[SSVPom]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

no offense but heres some holden mentality right here....its a "6.0ltre""V8" "SS".
Just incase you missed its a SIX litre V EIGHT...so it must be FAST...that's a huge number

Yes, it is a fast car, with a big engine. I drive a 4cyl Outlander now, so therefore I think the SS is fast.

Thank you.

[Cruzycuzz]

Originally Posted by Elks

I've outrun C63's. I fear not a GTS.

You've got a blower I guess the AMG doesn't stand much of a chance?

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by devoGT

So rollout is going to add .6 to the time...

Not that much - but about .3 to a quarter mile time when I have measured G Tech times without rollout allowance to track times at Willowbank.

The yanks also normally measure 0-60mph, so to 96 kph, there is another 10th there.

I think that 4.2 is a number we will see from this engine in a VF. The GT will have its work cut out. I believe in my own opinion that Ford are more conservative than Holden when it comes to how they allow the cars to deliver torque down low, part of their warranty expectations. I think that will determine 0-100 times more than these engines ultimate capabilities.

I have driven 6.2's with a 1.9 blower and upgraded Miami's - both are capable of 3.5-3.8 0-100 if tuned to do it. Its just how much each manufacturer chooses to unleash. Neither are anywhere near their limits at 4 seconds plus, so the arguments at this level dont make much sense.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by tweeked

Not that much - but about .3 to a quarter mile time when I have measured G Tech times without rollout allowance to track times at Willowbank.

The yanks also normally measure 0-60mph, so to 96 kph, there is another 10th there.

I think that 4.2 is a number we will see from this engine in a VF. The GT will have its work cut out. I believe in my own opinion that Ford are more conservative than Holden when it comes to how they allow the cars to deliver torque down low, part of their warranty expectations. I think that will determine 0-100 times more than these engines ultimate capabilities.

I have driven 6.2's with a 1.9 blower and upgraded Miami's - both are capable of 3.5-3.8 0-100 if tuned to do it. Its just how much each manufacturer chooses to unleash. Neither are anywhere near their limits at 4 seconds plus, so the arguments at this level dont make much sense.

Good points

Now....if the huffer will only be available on the GTS and the price tag will likely be > 100K on the road.....then the likelihood of seeing many of these on the street will be small.

This is a clever and strategic response by HSV.......on paper - they will have the engine with the biggest 6@LL$. HSV will get the lion's share of the publicity for a car that will likely sell at 10% of its total volumes.

In reality though..the average cashed up bogan will likely purchase the Clubbie , so....the "humble" GT will likely line up against the Clubbie which will not be Supercharged. The GT can and will still spank its main rival into next year......easy.

Until HSV release its Supercharged engine across the board...FPV are still way ahead in my eyes. Their offerings are waaaaaay more accesible to the average punter that has a passion for these cars. HSV are offering their hero car only to their "elite" buyers......based on prospective pricing. If FPV did that .......this FORUM would be on fire by now.....

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by ESP

Bragging rights......end of story

Would be lucky if 5% of any FPV / HSV's sold saw regular track time with owners interested in track performance. More pub talk I reckon.
My *&^% is bigger than yours........... Its what sells performance cars in Australia.

So basically a straight line warrior, the basis of any American car, can go straight but not corner...yawn.

[Elks]

Originally Posted by Cruzycuzz

You've got a blower I guess the AMG doesn't stand much of a chance?

Yes but a C63 has wider tyres, 200kg less weight, and a magnificent 6.2 litre V8 that is still the best sounding production engine ever.

An LSA powered GTS should be quicker than my car, but I wouldn't think by much.

[Buntz]

Hahaha, lol. Joshua Dowling. What a tool.

The new Focus has torque vectoring too pal.... doesn't make it special. As for Tires, any company can option awesome tires. Lincoln put Pirelli P Zero tires on the MKZ test cars... same as the BMW M5.

The suspension is the only innovative, and worthwhile thing there. Something the performance FPV's have been crying out for instead of static suspension tunes.

[Cruzycuzz]

Originally Posted by Elks

Yes but a C63 has wider tyres, 200kg less weight, and a magnificent 6.2 litre V8 that is still the best sounding production engine ever.

And less traction too, the one I drove would wheelspin and understeer like no tommorow, like tokyo drift merc style

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Buntz

Hahaha, lol. Joshua Dowling. What a tool.

The new Focus has torque vectoring too pal.... doesn't make it special. As for Tires, any company can option awesome tires. Lincoln put Pirelli P Zero tires on the MKZ test cars... same as the BMW M5.

The suspension is the only innovative, and worthwhile thing there. Something the performance FPV's have been crying out for instead of static suspension tunes.

The Pirelli tyres on the MKZ are part of a high series handling package complete with electronic suspension,
the thing apparently handles like its on rails with gs on corner similar to BMW 3 series so the days of
branding FWD/AWD cars as mushy handlers is coming to an end, some are getting much better..

Last month Lincoln sold 4,012 MKZs so they're finally away, 884 of them were hybrids.

[UberKnee]

It'll be interesting with all the lauding about its AMG tyres, Ferrari suspension and Porsche tech to see how it goes around a track. My guess not amazingly well still a very heavy family car, and having the same style suspension as a Ferrari doesn't mean its the same as one and will corner as well, good marketing though.

Price is a huge factor though, $100k for an LSA engined HSV...when $50k will get you a GS, and with $50k to spare on upgrading it to match price it'd monster a GTS.

[Elks]

So 430kw = how many rwkw?? I'm guessing that's 350 to 370ish. Does anyone have a more scientific answer.

[Chopped]

^ I've seen a few dyno results for the ZL1 which show from 355rwkw to 386rwkw stock.
I'm presuming the GTS will be the same.

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by UberKnee

Price is a huge factor though, $100k for an LSA engined HSV...when $50k will get you a GS, and with $50k to spare on upgrading it to match price it'd monster a GTS.

If all you're looking at is performance maybe, but I'd expect the standard GTS to have better resale value than a modified GS. Just because you spend $50k on mods doesn't mean they're worth $50k on the used market.

[ja50nh]

Originally Posted by Alan D Segal

If all you're looking at is performance maybe, but I'd expect the standard GTS to have better resale value than a modified GS. Just because you spend $50k on mods doesn't mean they're worth $50k on the used market.

You wouldnt need to spend $50k to keep up though. From all the tuners ive talked to you would hit around the same if not more power than 'said' HSV by chucking $10k into a 315, let alone a 335. E.g. 335's hitting 380rwkw/~800nm from an air filter and tune (Around $1700), then upgrading the injectors and pumps, will still be under 10k. I think ford have the answer and have left so much more potential in the 'Miami' to be a real lion eater.

I give credit when credit is due, but until it comes out in the flesh and we see proper power figures (not severely overrated ones) and track times its still a work in progress.