FG X, The Last EVER Falcon - Picture & Discussion Thread

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by UberKnee

Miami may be assembled here but its a Seppo motor Ford Aus put a few Aussie parts on. Boss motors were all just crate motors. I think the Barra 6's are Aussie made but that hardly equates to Falcons being all Aussie cars. A 4 litre straight 6 is farking huge, JDM cars have half that capacity and perform just as well. 5.4, 5.0 are pretty big motors as well compared to what BMW, Audi and several others use.

Funny how that doesnt explain how AMG sell more C63s (that im sure you what size engine they have) here than they sell in the US...

[nstg8a]

I though boss motors were assembled here from short blocks?

[dragons90]

5.4 was also assembled in Australia with some local parts.

[I6DOHC]

I couldn't give a rats @rse about Mercedes, BMW, Audi...I am only interested in Aussie Fords. So there.

That so called 'huge' 4L inline 6, is arguably THE best All-Austalian motoring achievement, especially in turbo form. It keeps many much higher priced imports more than honest. For a sub 40k RWD package to keep pace with 180k jag says it all. If they stuff the 315kw iteration into the FH then it will be the keeper for me.

And as for the build quality of the locals...well I don't reckon any of the so called superior global imports would fare any better with my 3 year olds projectile vomit than the falcon does....

[dragons90]

Originally Posted by UberKnee

Miami may be assembled here but its a Seppo motor Ford Aus put a few Aussie parts on. Boss motors were all just crate motors. I think the Barra 6's are Aussie made but that hardly equates to Falcons being all Aussie cars. A 4 litre straight 6 is farking huge, JDM cars have half that capacity and perform just as well. 5.4, 5.0 are pretty big motors as well compared to what BMW, Audi and several others use.

According to this article http://mobile.news.com.au/national/h...-1226772531176
The falcon is 70% local content compared to 50% for the commodore and 30% for cruze I'd call it Australian.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by UberKnee

Or I'll just hand it in for an AMG V8...or a V8 Mustang where Ford Aus steal all their motors from anyway. Aussie manufacturing aka putting different parts off different cars together ;)

Aussie cars did all right for awhile then just hit this point where everyone else was adding so much to their cars and Ford/Holden in particular didn't want to hear about it and just focused on the killerwasps and getting the biggest motors they could find at GM/Ford HQ.

Hows that pointless aircon in your car buddy? Your forefathers would be disgusted in you having aircon, windscreen wipers, adjustable seats, cruise control, and those other stupid gadgets that dont do anything for driving. SHAME!

sorry dude for getting back to you late

instead of sitting in front of my flat screen and parked up on my faux leather couch

i've been cutting, grinding, bashing welding, doing random man stuffs

lol @ you paying out on the BOSS and MIAMI

Its called lineage, wtf were the early Whingers and Clevos

a Unique and Australian combination, with tweaks and then some from the US
parts bin

comparing our little backwater market / vehicles with those on the world stage is just lolsworthy

fyi i have a 40yo car with aircon

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

I though boss motors were assembled here from short blocks?

It used the navigator block, but was fully assembled from a bare block, not imported as a short or long motor.

[galaxy xr8]

Please come back spyman to get this thread back on track away from the dribble.

[UberKnee]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

sorry dude for getting back to you late

instead of sitting in front of my flat screen and parked up on my faux leather couch

i've been cutting, grinding, bashing welding, doing random man stuffs

lol @ you paying out on the BOSS and MIAMI

Its called lineage, wtf were the early Whingers and Clevos

a Unique and Australian combination, with tweaks and then some from the US
parts bin

comparing our little backwater market / vehicles with those on the world stage is just lolsworthy

fyi i have a 40yo car with aircon

Bravo to you I suppose for doing all that metal work, I put in an entire ceiling base this morning...so what? Sorry for wanting to relax on my half day off, I'll never do that again, not allowed to relax or have breaks in Australia apparently. And in wasn't paying the motors out, how is calling them yank based paying them out? Sorry but they know more about building high power V8s than Australia does.

We're in a global market, cars sold on the world stage are sold here, VFs are sold abroad so have several other Commodores even Maloo's.

[FocusLX06]

Moderators, can we please delete some of the previous posts? I came here to see my next car, not that rubbish.

[davenl5l]

well it's Monday and no new pic's from spyman . me thinks he's so disgusted by the childish off topic post's on here that he's taken his bat & ball and gone home !!! and I cant blame him

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by FocusLX06

Moderators, can we please delete some of the previous posts? I came here to see my next car, not that rubbish.

go have a YOYO and a glass of milk if its upsetting you

[Professor Farnsworth]

no more off topic crap-talk.

Warnings will ensue.

[AU1XLS]

Originally Posted by AU1XLS

Post on topic your not at all. Any more off topic posts, where's Spyman questions they will be deleted and poster warned

Already done the warning thing post 2191 Profressor, slow learners around here

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by AU1XLS

Already done the warning thing post 2191 Profressor, slow learners around here

as did i at post #1708, and #1811, people need constant reminders.

For the punters: If this thread didn't have such importance i would have closed it a long time ago. But that doesn't mean it's immune.

[|Nate]

Just read this comment on the Drive/Carsales "Ford's Final Falcon" article.

"It will make 226kW at 6,400rpm and 435Nm of torque at 3,750rpm-4,250rpm I was told by the engineer. It will have the same 4.0L engine, extra power and torque is due to a different cat-converter and a higher cam lift - but also 3.5mm increase in diameter of the throttle plate/body but nothing else- this is for the Base model"

If I had not have read everywhere that the engines are remaining unchanged and that random commentors on the internet are always to be believed, those power figures would be pretty cool if true.

[Focused]

Originally Posted by |Nate

Just read this comment on the Drive/Carsales "Ford's Final Falcon" article.

"It will make 226kW at 6,400rpm and 435Nm of torque at 3,750rpm-4,250rpm I was told by the engineer. It will have the same 4.0L engine, extra power and torque is due to a different cat-converter and a higher cam lift - but also 3.5mm increase in diameter of the throttle plate/body but nothing else- this is for the Base model"

If I had not have read everywhere that the engines are remaining unchanged and that random commentors on the internet are always to be believed, those power figures would be pretty cool if true.

I'd be surprised if true. Although having said that, maybe they've given up with the whole eco thing slowly improving fuel figures (which hasn't improved sales...) and said that if you want a fuel efficient car, get the EcoBoost Falcon, but if you want a bit of poke, get the I6 model.
Maybe they're going to push the whole Falcon range as a performance option, instead of simply the XR models?

[Franco Cozzo]

As if it will rev to 6400 RPM, thats pretty high for one of those engines.

[Road_Warrior]

Nope, efficiency gains across the board for the n/a I6 to get the average L/100klm down to 9.5 (which was the whole point of the Gen II 6 speed ZF and co-investment grants from the government) those figures look like the EcoBoost Mustang numbers so perhaps he had his wires crossed.

[stevefreestyle]

Originally Posted by |Nate

Just read this comment on the Drive/Carsales "Ford's Final Falcon" article.

"It will make 226kW at 6,400rpm and 435Nm of torque at 3,750rpm-4,250rpm I was told by the engineer. It will have the same 4.0L engine, extra power and torque is due to a different cat-converter and a higher cam lift - but also 3.5mm increase in diameter of the throttle plate/body but nothing else- this is for the Base model"

If I had not have read everywhere that the engines are remaining unchanged and that random commentors on the internet are always to be believed, those power figures would be pretty cool if true.

6400 is a lot of revs, although the current I6 is 195 @ 6000 RPM.

As for the credibility of Jurnos claiming it is the same HP (no increase) - they have NO idea, and cant even get the Mustang GT 5.0 HP right - they all state the new model (S550) will be 420 Hp - failing to understand the current model is already 420 Hp & Ford have stated there will be an increase. Ford have not yet revealed the actual HP - and the next model is currently officially > 420 HP (with major performance upgrades). Idiots !!!!

[Motorbreath310]

Anyone know if it's going to have a new steering wheel? Or would that require crash testing? That alone would make a huge difference to the interior. The wheel it (FG) has now, looks fit for an '05 Transit.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Motorbreath310

Anyone know if it's going to have a new steering wheel? Or would that require crash testing? That alone would make a huge difference to the interior. The wheel it (FG) has now, looks fit for an '05 Transit.

I hope so.
The only thing I don't really like about the interior of my FG is the steering wheel design. All the usual FG interior complaints don't faze me, I am used to the driving & steering wheel position, the quality is agreeable ect ect. The wheel itself feels fine but I have never really warmed to the style of it. I suppose its a by product of enjoying the AU and BA era Momo steering wheels.

[FalconXV]

Can someone start a new thread with all the spy pics and CGI's consolidated ala Orion Knowledge Hub, and maybe leave this for discussion? I'd do it but I only have a phone. Just a suggestion...

[FalconXV]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

so.
The only thing I don't really like about the interior of my FG is the steering wheel design. All the usual FG interior complaints don't faze me, I am used to the driving & steering wheel position, the quality is agreeable ect ect. The wheel itself feels fine but I have never really warmed to the style of it. I suppose its a by product of enjoying the AU and BA era Momo steering wheels.

Yeah current wheels a less sporty version of gen 1 Focus tiller. I think it should adopt a 2015 Mustang style 3 spoke jobbie.
Also inner door handles and gear selector need a more quality feel. Is there anywhere for a start button?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by |Nate

Just read this comment on the Drive/Carsales "Ford's Final Falcon" article.

"It will make 226kW at 6,400rpm and 435Nm of torque at 3,750rpm-4,250rpm I was told by the engineer. It will have the same 4.0L engine, extra power and torque is due to a different cat-converter and a higher cam lift - but also 3.5mm increase in diameter of the throttle plate/body but nothing else- this is for the Base model"

If I had not have read everywhere that the engines are remaining unchanged and that random commentors on the internet are always to be believed, those power figures would be pretty cool if true.

Unless the new wiring looms somehow can make the engine make all that extra power and torque, i say he doesnt have a clue, cause thats all that is being changed.

[Jaxon]

^^^That's a shame. Sounded good for a split second.

[stevefreestyle]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Unless the new wiring looms somehow can make the engine make all that extra power and torque, i say he doesnt have a clue, cause thats all that is being changed.

If new wiring looms are the only change to the I6, where do they get the claimed fuel economy improvements from ??

[Road Games]

Fixing the handbrake once and for all.. no more woosh woosh and parasitic drag

[FalconXV]

The 2.3 has 407Nm doesn't it? How much extra development costs would those changes add compared to just the loom? Would DSC recalibration be necessary? Things like that make it implausibe. Is it a recent article?
Maybe the new gearbox makes it possible, Remember when the ZF6 came out it raised the redline to 6250.

[XR Martin]

I thought those figures are what they were getting out of the LiLPG, before they detuned it to make peak power at 5000rpm (instead of 6k like the petrol).