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No stress, thanks for the advice. Not overly interested in electric, I just have an Ego snipper and pruner.
I haven't looked too far into Victa again as they are the only company not listing the catcher size, that I can see. I'll have to make an enquiry. The commercial one looks ok. The 190cc is my minimum and with more power via the adjustment is even better. The Honda I was looking at was the HTX series, just didn't care for the self propelled feature, would like to avoid it. A 21" deck would be nice but 19" is not so bad.
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For Honda, the only ones I would recommend would be the HRU19 (GCV170) and the HRU196 (GXV160). These are full chute 19-inch cuts. https://powerequipment.honda.com.au/...n/mowers/hru19 https://powerequipment.honda.com.au/.../mowers/hru196 I would avoid the HRX217, these have a plastic deck, bar blade, half chute and individual height adjustment on each wheel. These are American-focused machines. https://powerequipment.honda.com.au/.../mowers/hrx217 I know a lot of contractors use them, but I don't like the HR216 either. Again, half chute. https://powerequipment.honda.com.au/.../mowers/hru216 If you want to go to a bigger cut, have a look at the 21-inch Bushranger and Victa Commercial 21. Both expensive, but would last you a lifetime. I run the Bushranger with the GXV160 as my main mower at the moment. The Victa has a single speed belt drive - https://www.victa.com/au/en_au/produ...850-ic-sp.html The Bushranger has a 3-speed shaft drive. Go the Honda GXV160 rather than Loncin - https://bushrangerpe.com.au/browse-p...er-pu53ah6imsp
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Damn, I'd rather have the 19" and no self propeller, just not feeling it.
Didn't realise about the half chute thing. The first commercial Victa is looking ok, just want to know catcher size. It's surely more than my current mower, I'm sure it's a tiny 42L or so. The HRX is 88L!! Funny how the market here and in the US is so different.
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Plastic - 42 liters Fabric (commercial) - 55 liters Masport Plastic Catcher - 42 Liters
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Frankly, you don't want to be pushing a 21-inch mower! ![]()
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Check these 19-inch alloy Bushranger's too, they have a 60 liter bag -
Honda GXV160 - https://bushrangerpe.com.au/browse-p...ower-pu48ah6im Loncin - https://bushrangerpe.com.au/browse-p...loy-base-mower
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Jumping back a few posts, here’s the underside of that woeful steel chassis President 3000
I can’t get over how it just spits junk out the right side where my Rover would slipstream it into the catcher. Did my usual rake the leaves, edgings into a windrow and went to swat it down with the mower - just blew it everywhere. ![]() |
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I currently have both 19" push and 21" self propelled Hondas, and TBH I hate the 21" around my yard, the 19" is just soooo much lighter and easier to move around the yard.
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Hey CB - is the mower catcher blocked up with debris ie is there a grille on it that needs cleaning ?
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It looks to be clean enough at the catcher venting; not surgically clean but not blocked. The catcher fills readily, but even from empty it’s poor at picking up leaves etc.
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Oh yes, size adds weight so sticking with 19" isn't a bad thing.
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I know you want a large catcher, just be aware that larger catchers get real heavy when you approach full. A lot of that is hidden on a self propelled mower, perhaps that's why most push mowers sit around 40 - 50 liters. I know I sound like a Victa fan-boy, and I am but only after trying them all, their standard catcher is the best of the plastic catchers for ergonomics. They use that on both 18 and 19-inch machines, obviously a 19-inch will fill that quicker. If you are happy to pony up the cash, I think the Victa Commercial 19 would be the sweet spot for you, combination of the big engine (with an iron bore for longevity) and bigger 55-liter fabric catcher. The commercial model also brings reinforced handles compared to the Mustang chassis its based on, a metal rather than plastic catcher flap and wear strips on each side. https://www.victa.com/au/en_au/produ...19-850-ic.html ![]() They used to offer these Commercial models with the Honda and the pointless Briggs DOV engines. The Briggs 850 is better than both, and I say that as a big fan of the Honda GXV160. The DOV was/is pointless because it brought nothing to the table. At 161cc it was too small to have torque, which I found it bogged down with little to no load. The clever DOV valve train was actually noisier than a tradition OHV design, with more rocker clatter. It sort of sat in the middle of nowhere, the 161cc made it smaller than the domestic engine, and was completely outpaced by the 190cc 850-series. It's only saving grace was the cast iron bore and relative economy. Briggs renamed it Vanguard in an attempt to have it compete with the Honda GXV160, but it went nowhere. For some reason, they still make this engine. ![]()
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That Bushranger, a brand I've never heard of, with that Lincon engine that I've also never heard of, has nothing but great reviews.
No stocks of the Commercial 850 in town. It seems line ball with the Masport contractor, and the Bushranger is similar but the engine is very different.
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What about the battery operated Millwaukee and Makita's , any review's on them ?.
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Loncin is just another brand name slapped onto a generic Honda-clone engine, and I wouldn't be surprised if they share components with the garbage Kohler mower engines too. I don't recommend them, but at least the commercial grade ones do come with a cast iron bore. The only thing I would worry about would be parts supply compared to the availability of B&S and Honda spares. I find the mufflers undersized, so they are very noisy engines. Note how they also don't publish power/torque numbers either, just 196cc. Overall, they look, sound and act cheaply. Most of the Masport Contractor range is garbage. I had one contractor comment on how he had multiple failures on the chassis and drive system on the larger 21-inch models. The only one I would look at would be the 19-inch alloy base. https://masport.com.au/outdoor-garde...or-al-s19-3-n1 Dealers don't really stock much of the Victa Commercial range, two of them I have had to order them in specially. I do this because I know what I want and generally WONT be sold whatever they have on the floor. I hate being left wondering. So, I would consider placing an order if it's what you want rather than compromise on a crappy engine.
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Yes, it seems Bushranger is more of a thing out in the literal bush!! Well, the regional areas, so parts and service would be tougher here in the big city!!
The only ones in the Commercial/Contractor range I'm considering are the base 19" models without the selp propell function. That's just more weight to turn around corners and something else to break, as you mentioned. I don't want that on any brand. I was going to say talk to me again when I'm older, but with the weight of these things they are only good going straight on flat grass. I've got lots of twists and turns and sections that would need an AWD style self propelled mower more than likely!
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https://www.torocatalogue.com.au/pro...l-drive-mower/ Your other option would be to just go for the residential Mustang 850, the same basic chassis and engine as the Commercial 19, and $300 cheaper too. https://www.victa.com/au/en_au/produ...stang-850.html
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I was joking in that it would need to have both more height clearance, but still be able to cut the lawn, not just more wheels moving. Nevermind that, just a bit of fun.
A shot today had the Mustang, but I gotta have the bigger catcher. They had one of the 21" Commercial ones too, that self propel. Just not the smaller one.
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![]() I would just ask them to order the Commercial 19, you get the engine and catcher you want and won't be left wondering. Should only take a 3 - 5 days for it to come in.
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I was going to buy today but ordering made me think more now that I was off the 21" models that forced self propulsion on you.
The 19" Masport possibly has it over the Victa. Bigger bag, washport (something I'd like to have this time around) and adjustable handle angle.
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The Mustang lists a wash port in the specs, but the Commercial 19" doesn't. No pics on that side, but your pic shows a wash port it seems. Though it screams "digitally added" in, it's probably really there.
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Anyway, every 19-inch alloy deck Victa I have had has featured the wash port. And despite being a clean freak, I've never used it once. ![]()
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I would believe that. They are not doing themselves a service.
I would like to think that I would give the wash port a go!
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Bushranger Superswift Big Bob products are still pretty good. Interesting to hear they are using the old Rover deck in some. I will pay more attention next time I am in there.
One of my 'new' favs is a Honda powered 18" Little Bob. Beautiful machine to use.
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https://supaswift.com.au/browse-products/lawnmowers https://supaswift.com.au/browse-prod...-18-push-mower https://supaswift.com.au/browse-prod...-20-push-mower ![]() ![]() Bushranger base for comparison - https://bushrangerpe.com.au/browse-p...wer-bush46tb6m ![]() ![]() Rover for comparison - ![]() It's funny, a dealer told me Rover stopped making these steel and alloy chassis because there was "wear in the tooling", said to me with a tongue in cheek. Clearly, the tooling is good enough to continue making mowers under the SupaSwift and Bushranger brands. From what I can gather, Rover (MTD) decided to drop these for Chinese cloned crap instead. How to kill a brand in short order 101.
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For those of you who maintain your own gear, who would I best off speaking to for 2 new 8" wheels for a Victa Mustang?
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Part Number - CH87336A https://www.mowerstore.com.au/index....roduct_id=1169 https://sesdirect.co.nz/products/ch8...8in-aztec-push https://mowercentre.com.au/product/g...ch86334a-copy/ https://www.allmowerspares.com.au/vi...6a-87336a.html Hub Cap - https://www.allmowerspares.com.au/ge...-ch86275a.html ![]()
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Some Bushranger content for those following along..........
The only thing that counts against Bushranger alloy bases is the half chute, even on the non-self-propelled models. I also find the steps between height settings too large.
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