Wheels 'Ford Mustang V8 scores ‘poor’ 2-star safety rating'

[MethodX]

Question is now..... will Ford just abandon the Mustang and not bring the 2018 model?
Hope not.

[4stanger]

Unfortunately, what works in Europe, doesn't necessarily mean it will work here in Oz.
AEB fails to recognize utes in tests https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/feature...isses-the-mark

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by coolozzieguy

I thought he would take longer for this 'review' of the sitiuation to come out, but oh well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vupJqnNyaE

He says "... I want your feedback..."

Shall we all give it to him?

Yes- his putrid vile (Ford Mustang has same safety rating under ANCAP testing as Great Wall Ute) is one of the most potent arguments for sterilisation of some humans....

Johnny stick to driving blown 5 litres badly around hairpin bends and doing society a favour by making videos of you almost wiping out motorbike riders to illustrate how not to do it by understeering and failing to keep your car in your lane of travel....

OK- my comments are a bit over the top-just like John's video.

I mean- I feel pretty safe in my 5 star FGX XR8. And the Mustang scores better than my Falcon in frontal and side impacts for the Driver...and yet the Mustang is a deathtrap requiring low flying choppers cause you going to suffer subdural lesions of the brain if you drive the ponycar....

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by asagaai

and yet the Mustang is a deathtrap requiring low flying choppers cause you going to suffer subdural lesions of the brain if you drive the ponycar....

I gave up when he started on about the risk to the rescue chopper crew having to fly low level

[XWGT]

So what is the schedule of vehicles that will be tested under this new regime.
Which cars should we be looking out for and when?

[Falcon SXR8]

Man why did I read the comments to that vid

[2011G6E]

Just seems weird to me...a brand new system of marking which means that cars that would have got four or five stars a few years ago will now only get one or two. What's the point? The Mustang is marked down for not having automatic braking and lane departure warnings. Big deal. It's not like it doesn't have ABS or airbags or other expected modern safety features.

So we now have a system which seems to be deliberately set up to make it a "race to the bottom" to demonise foreign cars which are perfectly safe. They have even said that the cars are now marked on their lowest rating in the tests...so it could be four or five all through, but in one area it is only a 2, then that's what it gets rated.
Seems to be plenty of people in online comments feeling smug about the four or five star Falcon...they should realise that under the new testing it would probably also only get two stars at most.
A few years back they talked about expanding the system to 7 or even 10 stars, because practically every car on the market was easily meeting 4 and 5 star ratings. Also, car makers didn't really like that as there was now no real marketing advantage to crowing about their car getting a "5 star rating!!".

Or, you know, you could just drive the car you like and not go around being terrified of crashing all the time....

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

The Mustang is marked down for not having automatic braking and lane departure warnings. Big deal. It's not like it doesn't have ABS or airbags or other expected modern safety features.

Strange, the Ancap spokesman said this....not sure why everyone thinks it's only because is missing some adaptive cruise thing..

ANCAP also stressed the combined Euro NCAP and ANCAP result was not because the vehicle was missing minor “safety assist” systems, which could be as simple as daytime running lights, a fatigue reminder or “hill launch assist”. This isn’t a score because it’s missing rear seatbelt reminders,” said Goodwin. “Fundamentally it also hasn’t performed well structurally. There is serious risk of head, leg and chest injuries for rear passengers. There was also insufficient inflation of both driver and passenger airbags in frontal offset test, which allowed the driver’s head to contact the steering wheel and the passenger’s head to contact the dashboard. The driver’s door opened in the pole test and the whiplash protection for rear-end collisions was only rated as marginal.

That's a pretty major screw up....and it deserves a kick in the ****..

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Strange, the Ancap spokesman said this....not sure why everyone thinks it's only because is missing some adaptive cruise thing..



That's a pretty major screw up....and it deserves a kick in the ****..

Is it true that there is a unique "pole strike" test of some sort in the new testing, an offset impact test, that isn't done anywhere else in the world? It wouldn't be the first time Australia has brought in unique tests and tried to "lead the world" in some desperate attempt to be able to puff out our chests as "world beaters" while ignoring reality...

I look at American cars like this: has it passed the stupidly strict testing for states like California? If so, it should be good enough for us.

[Whitey-AMG]

Wow.....
Let's all get over it.

Motorbikes have none of these safety features yet they are still allowed on the road and people still buy them. End of the day, it's personal choice , as an adult do your research make up your own mind , pick the colour you want and just drive the ;:/-$n thing.

Regardless of marque or test regime each new generation makes the previous look like a death trap. So after 5 years of ownership it's likely your 5 star whizz bang purchase will be 2 stars in comparison to the new stuff on the road anyways.

TBH I don't think too many mustang buyers will give 2 $&(/s about the safety rating. Probably more concerned about panel alignment.....

[Stefan]

Dunno TBH, another story said the car was tested to euro specs and that the US crash test specs were at a lower speeds. SO I doubt the US testing is stricter.

I can only assume due to autobahn speeds, euro spec would be the toughest..

But Ancap defended the higher spec test as it is the "global standard" known about by manufacturers for years? And the Mustang being a global design should have accommodated the specs in the design.

The way I read it is that Ford was likely aware of a potential issue and hence did all it could to not provide cars for testing...

I see why Ford feels butt hurt but at the end of the day is scored poorly where other cars don't. And yes US cars are not known for being innovative in design.

[XWGT]

And the Volvo V90 and S90 scored 5 stars.
The more I read about it the more I am concerned for the Mustang.........

[five 7]

Thanks Stefan didn't realize how dangerous they were till a read that. Bugger can't cancel ma shelby till tuesday (holiday here today).You still buying? Oh thats right. You were probably not getting one one were you, you little tricker, nearly had me there.(just thought with the interest you are showing, you might be) Ah well off to the doowhaa dealership for me, if i can find a tinfoil hat to wear......if i cant this might be the last you hear from me, pos muzzy deathtrap....God i love NZ at times like this, we can import drive, pretty much any thing
Cheers.....

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by five 7

Thanks man didn't realize how dangerous they were till a read that. Bugger can't cancel ma shelby till tuesday (holiday here today).You still buying? Oh thats right. You were probably not getting one one were you, you little tricker, nearly had me there.(just thought with the interest you are showing, you might be) Ah well off to the doowhaa dealership for me, if i can find a tinfoil hat to wear......if i cant this might be the last you hear from me, pos muzzy deathtrap....God i love NZ at times like this, we can import drive, pretty much any thing
Cheers.....Stefan....you no i'm just funning...

Apologies "Oh great one" it is a Ford Forum but we can't discuss Mustang unless we own one....I didn't get that memo.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

TBH I don't think too many mustang buyers will give 2 $&(/s about the safety rating. Probably more concerned about panel alignment.....

If anything like me more probably 0 > 60, 0 > 100, 1/4 mile, top speed etc etc, AND what I can do to squeeze more outa it

[five 7]

Can you buy are Shelby for $50 k in Aus i will be right over.

[Sabantien]

So I had a look at the Euro results. It seems the new ANCAP system is based on/a copy of what they introduced in 2016?

It scores very low in driver assist features, and not so great in child occupant safety.

The website also clearly states that results are not comparable to previous years, so a 2 star mustang has zero frame of reference to pretty much any car on the roads in Australia. (Sadly, ANCAP don't make the same disclaimer)

I am also constantly reading on this forum that real men are real drivers, and they don't need things like driver assist stuff. Hell, if it's got more than 2 gears it's rubbish. Cruise control? that's for girls cars. But now if your car doesn't brake and steer itself, it's not safe? Right.

And while I'm sure some people buying mustangs will put kids in the back, let's face it, that's not the target market.

But don't worry, I get it. You hate the Mustang. It's not a Falcon, it's all Mustang's fault that the Falcon is gone, and you hate it hate it hate it! (yes, I'm imagining you throwing yourself to the ground and pounding your fists)

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by Sabantien

You hate the Mustang. It's not a Falcon, it's all Mustang's fault that the Falcon is gone, and you hate it hate it hate it! (yes, I'm imagining you throwing yourself to the ground and pounding your fists)

In a nutshell yes

[Sox]

This dodgy 'Stang thing has seat belts yeh?
Should be alright then.

More importantly though, make sure it doesn't have a pooftamatique...

[Iggle Piggle]

Originally Posted by Sox

This dodgy 'Stang thing has seat belts yeh?

Crash test kid submarined under the rear belt, so yeah, it has seat belts.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Sox

This dodgy 'Stang thing has seat belts yeh?
Should be alright then.
.

Are they still lap belts like the fairdinkum old Stangs? Or do they have those new fangled sash things?...

[nstg8a]

The 'structural unsound' bit is interesting, because it still scored higher than fg in many areas, and that's considered a very safe car.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

The 'structural unsound' bit is interesting, because it still scored higher than fg in many areas, and that's considered a very safe car.

Yes it is.

A nice swipe from the ANCAP dude ( soon to be jobless with the demise of the Australian Automotive Industry ? ), to show his contempt for Ford for messing him around ?

[DFB FGXR6]

With the demise of local car manufacturing, ANCAP is now largely irrelevant.

This whole saga is just a big ANCAP PR ploy to convince the powers that be that this organisation deserves continued funding so as to keep their jobs.

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by Stefan

I like this one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjIpfb2hpoM


HAHAAHAHAHAHA

Bet my XW GT would be similar.....

G'day ...I felt sick watching that...in my younger and more stupid days I had a VC Commie for a short time..Traded it on an XE.. ..I suspect the VC might not have advanced too much from that disastrous VB effort if I'd pranged it like I did into a bridge a couple of years earlier. That crash caused by a truck cutting a corner on the departure end of the bridge left me in a coma for a week. Off work for four months . Car was a 1979 2 door Escort L.. .Seat belt stopped me from going in the river the but never stopped me wrecking my head on the windscreen ...Broken collar bone , broken arm , head trauma and broken teeth , damaged right eye that gave me double vision for a couple of months..beet root bruised all over including ribcage area ..Guarantee cars of that era were potential death traps. Accident Investigation cops told me it was a miracle I wasn't done and dusted in the early 1980's.. Cheers Rod..

[five 7]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Meh, yank cars....is there any surprise that there a quality in design issues.

They are a cheap POS car over there. We just go gaga over it, thinking it is exotic.

Sad that any cheap Korean grocery getter would likely blitz the "deigned and made in the USA, by Americans car" in design, fit, finish and even safety.

Yanks can't build a car any better than we can...that is the sad reality.

uuuuuummm not sure what to think...but there is a word that springs to mind.
hey any see the movie the sixth sense, always wanted to get some t shirts made up with i see d...b people, not sure why......

[Trump]

I'm not going to bother going through the entire thread, but has anyone posted actual, verifiable information about the tests the Mustang was put through? Because at the moment, all we seem to have are a rather suspect article from "Wheels" and John Cadogan rabidly waffling about something, I think it might be about kittens or the dress habits of sherpas.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

G'day ...I felt sick watching that...in my younger and more stupid days I had a VC Commie for a short time..Traded it on an XE.. ..I suspect the VC might not have advanced too much from that disastrous VB effort if I'd pranged it like I did into a bridge a couple of years earlier. That crash caused by a truck cutting a corner on the departure end of the bridge left me in a coma for a week. Off work for four months . Car was a 1979 2 door Escort L.. .Seat belt stopped me from going in the river the but never stopped me wrecking my head on the windscreen ...Broken collar bone , broken arm , head trauma and broken teeth , damaged right eye that gave me double vision for a couple of months..beet root bruised all over including ribcage area ..Guarantee cars of that era were potential death traps. Accident Investigation cops told me it was a miracle I wasn't done and dusted in the early 1980's.. Cheers Rod..

Don't stress too much, that isn't even a legit crash test. It was a test for,the facility itself. Done at a higher speed than normal and a significant amount of ballast added.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Trump

I'm not going to bother going through the entire thread, but has anyone posted actual, verifiable information about the tests the Mustang was put through? Because at the moment, all we seem to have are a rather suspect article from "Wheels" and John Cadogan rabidly waffling about something, I think it might be about kittens or the dress habits of sherpas.

Yes, data has been posted. All data is available on the ancap website. Anyone who takes the time to look and read, or even just look at the pretty colour pictures will realize mustang is a safe car.

Comments by mr goodwin from ancap are irresponsible, as they don't match up with the actual data, which shows minimal head injury scores, and green and yellow on the dummy which is more than acceptable for 5stars in that area according to their own website.

To me it stinks of sour grapes.

Info without context, or half truths, is just misleading and irresponsible.

[yakcam]

Originally Posted by Trump

... or the dress habits of sherpas.

Jesus, don't get me started... scruffy ******.