Would legal venues stop hoons? - Page 9

mrbaxr6t · 24-05-2011, 03:56 PM

Sudzy don't taxpayers' dollars get spent incarcerating law breaking cretins and I don't hear them complaining spending money keeping them locked away to prevent them inflicting harm on others? shifting this behavior off the streets will cost money BUT it will reduce this behavior on the roads and it will increase road safety, in the same way incarcerating criminals increases safety, I am sorry but I have to agree with the majority here and why exactly are you on this forum? I suggest you go and join camryowners.com and leave us here to spend money on maintaining and upgrading our vehicles which (last time I checked) isn't illegal neither is going on cruises or organizing show and shine events and a whole myriad of other related activities. You really sound like one of those people that sees a well maintained car and instantly judges the owner as being a male appendage. What say you wake up and realize assumptions and generalizations are for the weak of mind.

ALSO there is quite a few drive type events that occur on racetracks around the place, but at ~500 entry when you may be lucky to get in ten laps these still sellout, wonder why that is

302 XC · 24-05-2011, 07:22 PM

"Sudsy dont taxpayers dollars get spend incarcerating law breaking cretins"

This is true
As long as there is no hoons on certain "streets" thats all good LOL

But hey chuck a skid , loose your licence for 5 years or go to jail
(as some mention)
Yep more pressure on the already buldging jail system
Or put more pressure on the terrible public transport system

Yep , dont get the taxpayers $$$ to help curb the hoon issue
But use more of the governments $$$ for more jail beds and seats on the bus/train

Anyone care to think what it actually costs to keep a crim in jail per year

Lets have a wee look at crushing that 40K car, for a sec
It gets crushed ,you dont uphold your financial agreement
(I mean why would you , you dont have the car ???)
This then becomes the issue of the financial company
Who then persue you threw the courts
(More money)
You cant pay,or wont pay
This costing , funnily enuf doesnt just get wavered
It gets spred amongst others, wether directly or indirectly
Should i , myself pay a higher premium due to living in a high crime area ???
Should i , myself pay more for car insurance cause i mite have a V8 ute ???
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There is no magic answer

UNR8D · 24-05-2011, 07:28 PM

on a legal issue here 302xc

If you have a "secured" loan for the vehicle in question, its unable to be crushed as the ownership of that vehicle is with the financier, also the reason why you must have full comp insurance on a financed vehicle, if said vehicle is written off/stolen financier gets first bite of the cherry with insurance then the remainder "if any" is given to the owner of the car.

Cant claim insurance on a car that is being deliberately crushed, and I will tell you after talking with lawyers within the industry you are not likely to see one go through the crusher unless govco wish to pay the finance company the payout figure.

sudszy · 25-05-2011, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sezzy

If you actually sit back and think about it, it's not giving them a 'reward' for anything. It's giving both hoons and car enthusiasts (read us) a legal venue to attend, where the only people that we can harm is ourselves if something goes wrong.

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there already are venues where people can get into this....oh its expensive and need to travel.....welcome to the real world, not everything is affordable or immediate.

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Originally Posted by Sezzy

What did you did with those four candidates? Did you call the police? And if you did call the police, what did they say?.

Police are interested, say they will send a car down....couple of hours later a patrol van may come past. If I can give them rego, they promise to follow up with the culprits and that appears to stop them doing it again, but getting rego isnt always that easy unless one is outside at the time and twice as hard at night when you can only see one plate for a fraction of a sec.

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Originally Posted by Sezzy

Your copybook is better than most? How the hell do you know? You don't know any of us...you don't know our history, ...

If many claim to do say that they regularly do 10-15km/h over the limit, would drive with only one headlight if it failed, contribute to threads on how to beat rwc regs for exhausts and other items....then its a sure bet Id of thought.

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Originally Posted by Sezzy

I think your concept of 'endangering others on the road' is a little far fetched...it's a headlight, not a noose around someone's neck dragging them down the road.

Hmm, another one that doesnt appreciate why cars need two headlights, perhaps put an argument together on how the regulators have got this wrong and that it is perfectly safe to not light up the front corners of the car at night time, and that somone couldnt possibly end up poorly due to mistaking a car's overall postion because it only had one HEADLIGHT.........wont hold my breath on that one.

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Originally Posted by Sezzy

I don't know if you read much, but burnouts, dragging, rallying are all past times that my father (who's now in his 60's) used to partake in. Australia has always had a car culture...

Yeh, it was a problem when Captain Cook arrived too

......, its strange that some people think that within their lifetime means always been happening.

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Originally Posted by Sezzy

You think Capital punishment will work? In today's society? You're kidding right? The truth is it won't, as there is too much emphasis on 'rehabilitation'. Civil libertarians won't allow it, nor will the government.

Interesting you should think murder is one of those crimes done in passion...you come from Melbourne right, premeditated murder was rife there in the 90's, remember?
...

Perhaps you have misinterpreted my point here, I wasnt the one claiming that the behaviour of murderers and hoons could be put in the same basket, that was 302xc, nor did I advocate capital punishment.....but hasnt stopped you building strawmen before.

Perhaps you can provide the stats in the real world on premeditated murders and one's done otherwise?

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Originally Posted by Sezzy

That thread was straight out political and you know it. Your emphasis on the word 'indiscretion' indicates your little conspiracy theorist mind has ticked over and suggested it wasn't an accident, that he was doing something stupid. Whatever the case may be, it was thirty years ago...Even if it wasn't an accident, people can and do change. I'm certainly not the same person I was ten years ago, not even the same person as I was 5 years ago...So it wasn't relevant, it appeared to be a witch hunt from where I sat. Trying to get your point across that the commissioner is a tool in your eyes and doesn't deserve the job...Do you think you could do better? Honestly...

Seems you missed the point of why I brought up Kieran Walsh in this thread. Here is someone who is now in charge of traffic and standing up giving messages about responsible behaviour and someone actually died at the hands of his poor driving......however it happened. So people have forgiven him and are not crying hypocrite and it was a long time ago? ok fair enough. But little me whose indiscretions(that didnt result in harm to anyone) occurred almost as long ago mean Im not allowed to comment on all the stupid things people do around here?....go figure.

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Originally Posted by Sezzy

As has been questioned...why won't the government crack down on it...? The answer is money...the care isn't about them killing themselves, it would appear that they're just collateral damage in the scheme to make money...But feel free to prove me wrong on that one...

You want me to disprove govco conspiracy? ....I think we need some basis to establish something in the first place, fines to deter people from speeding, driving unroadworthy cars(hardly new), and other lawlessness....that's your evidence

Surely you arent siding with the wacko govco conspiracy theory and think the money goes into the pockets of the politicians themselves?

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Funny how you scared yourself doing a tad over the National Speed limit

Ben: suggest you find an early sixties australian car on crossplys, (take it on to a closed road/track somewhere that has less than a billiard table surface and see just how it reacts at 135km/h+)

Interesting that 35km/h over is just a tad for you, but I suppose you can tell me how many more metres your car needs to pull up from 135km/h than it does at 100km/h? or how what radius curve you can theoretically get the thing round at both speeds?

93EB_SXR6 · 25-05-2011, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sudszy

there already are venues where people can get into this....oh its expensive and need to travel.....welcome to the real world, not everything is affordable or immediate.

Police are interested, say they will send a car down....couple of hours later a patrol van may come past. If I can give them rego, they promise to follow up with the culprits and that appears to stop them doing it again, but getting rego isnt always that easy unless one is outside at the time and twice as hard at night when you can only see one plate for a fraction of a sec.

If many claim to do say that they regularly do 10-15km/h over the limit, would drive with only one headlight if it failed, contribute to threads on how to beat rwc regs for exhausts and other items....then its a sure bet Id of thought.

Hmm, another one that doesnt appreciate why cars need two headlights, perhaps put an argument together on how the regulators have got this wrong and that it is perfectly safe to not light up the front corners of the car at night time, and that somone couldnt possibly end up poorly due to mistaking a car's overall postion because it only had one HEADLIGHT.........wont hold my breath on that one.

Yeh, it was a problem when Captain Cook arrived too

......, its strange that some people think that within their lifetime means always been happening.

Perhaps you have misinterpreted my point here, I wasnt the one claiming that the behaviour of murderers and hoons could be put in the same basket, that was 302xc, nor did I advocate capital punishment.....but hasnt stopped you building strawmen before.

Perhaps you can provide the stats in the real world on premeditated murders and one's done otherwise?

Seems you missed the point of why I brought up Kieran Walsh in this thread. Here is someone who is now in charge of traffic and standing up giving messages about responsible behaviour and someone actually died at the hands of his poor driving......however it happened. So people have forgiven him and are not crying hypocrite and it was a long time ago? ok fair enough. But little me whose indiscretions(that didnt result in harm to anyone) occurred almost as long ago mean Im not allowed to comment on all the stupid things people do around here?....go figure.

You want me to disprove govco conspiracy? ....I think we need some basis to establish something in the first place, fines to deter people from speeding, driving unroadworthy cars(hardly new), and other lawlessness....that's your evidence

Surely you arent siding with the wacko govco conspiracy theory and think the money goes into the pockets of the politicians themselves?

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Funny how you scared yourself doing a tad over the National Speed limit

Ben: suggest you find an early sixties australian car on crossplys, (take it on to a closed road/track somewhere that has less than a billiard table surface and see just how it reacts at 135km/h+)

Interesting that 35km/h over is just a tad for you, but I suppose you can tell me how many more metres your car needs to pull up from 135km/h than it does at 100km/h? or how what radius curve you can theoretically get the thing round at both speeds?

For once you've made sense, "not everything is affordable or immediate."
This is a point I was pushing earlier in the thread (have a look back and read).

However, I must say: "Lrn 2 grammar Sudzy"

302 XC · 25-05-2011, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sudszy

.....welcome to the real world, not everything is affordable or immediate.

Perhaps you have misinterpreted my point here, I wasnt the one claiming that the behaviour of murderers and hoons could be put in the same basket, that was 302xc,

2 Things ive used from your texts here

1 "Not everything is affordable or immediate"
This is true

2 "I wasnt the one claiming that the behaviour of murderers and hoons could be put in the same basket that was 302 XC (ME)"

WRONG

You my friend are the one whos only resolution to this issue is, 5 years loss of licence and or jail time

I have not ONCE ever put murderers and hoons in the one basket

I think your time on your soap box has expired
Time to head back my friend im sure the new edition of womans weekly has arrived

Its been a great with alot of thorough input thread

But when things are incorrectly quote or used when those whom,shall we say have no freakin idea
My time in this thread is done

flappist · 25-05-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne351

There's your problem right there, drifting isn't viewed (or portrayed) as motorsport, its viewed as a form of hooning!

Like it or not there's a tangible link between drifting and anti social (hooning) driving. More-so for burnouts too.

There is also a tangible link between football and domestic violence or religion and terrorism or internet forums and child pornography.

You can spin anything to support your case if you are narrow minded enough..... (the world is now ending on 21/10 not 21/5)

**Grunter** · 25-05-2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sezzy

You use such emotive words...

Thank you Sezzy. Couldn't have replied like you have, any better!

xisled · 25-05-2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne351

There's your problem right there, drifting isn't viewed (or portrayed) as motorsport, its viewed as a form of hooning!

Like it or not there's a tangible link between drifting and anti social (hooning) driving. More-so for burnouts too.

Yes that the exact point i was making, drifting is a type of motor sport, done legally, it is safe and fun, but people do not see it as that, they see it as hooning.

It is like the when Lewis Hamilton got caught doing a burnout in Melbourne, when the F1 Grand Prix was on. Because he was a F1 driver the burnout and what he did was associated with F1.

People can see it is legal, but still class it as a similar thing to hooning.

Ben73 · 25-05-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sudszy

Interesting that 35km/h over is just a tad for you, but I suppose you can tell me how many more metres your car needs to pull up from 135km/h than it does at 100km/h? or how what radius curve you can theoretically get the thing round at both speeds?

Some parts of Australia you are allowed to do 130.
I guess it's your own fault if you decided to do 135 in a dangerous location/car.

You seam to be pretty happy with you 'copybook' I'm assuming that is something like your history of fines?

I bet my 'copybook' is even better then yours. Never been fined, never been warned, nothing. Only been involved in 1 low speed accident and even that wasn't my fault.
I know you think I am some maniac driver because I don't agree with you on speed cameras and well, everything. Not saying I am better then anyone else at driving, but just pointing out the facts.

SEZ213 · 25-05-2011, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sudszy

there already are venues where people can get into this....oh its expensive and need to travel.....welcome to the real world, not everything is affordable or immediate.

Police are interested, say they will send a car down....couple of hours later a patrol van may come past. If I can give them rego, they promise to follow up with the culprits and that appears to stop them doing it again, but getting rego isnt always that easy unless one is outside at the time and twice as hard at night when you can only see one plate for a fraction of a sec.

If many claim to do say that they regularly do 10-15km/h over the limit, would drive with only one headlight if it failed, contribute to threads on how to beat rwc regs for exhausts and other items....then its a sure bet Id of thought.

Hmm, another one that doesnt appreciate why cars need two headlights, perhaps put an argument together on how the regulators have got this wrong and that it is perfectly safe to not light up the front corners of the car at night time, and that somone couldnt possibly end up poorly due to mistaking a car's overall postion because it only had one HEADLIGHT.........wont hold my breath on that one.

Yeh, it was a problem when Captain Cook arrived too

......, its strange that some people think that within their lifetime means always been happening.

Perhaps you have misinterpreted my point here, I wasnt the one claiming that the behaviour of murderers and hoons could be put in the same basket, that was 302xc, nor did I advocate capital punishment.....but hasnt stopped you building strawmen before.

Perhaps you can provide the stats in the real world on premeditated murders and one's done otherwise?

Seems you missed the point of why I brought up Kieran Walsh in this thread. Here is someone who is now in charge of traffic and standing up giving messages about responsible behaviour and someone actually died at the hands of his poor driving......however it happened. So people have forgiven him and are not crying hypocrite and it was a long time ago? ok fair enough. But little me whose indiscretions(that didnt result in harm to anyone) occurred almost as long ago mean Im not allowed to comment on all the stupid things people do around here?....go figure.

You want me to disprove govco conspiracy? ....I think we need some basis to establish something in the first place, fines to deter people from speeding, driving unroadworthy cars(hardly new), and other lawlessness....that's your evidence

Surely you arent siding with the wacko govco conspiracy theory and think the money goes into the pockets of the politicians themselves?

.

Funny how you scared yourself doing a tad over the National Speed limit

Ben: suggest you find an early sixties australian car on crossplys, (take it on to a closed road/track somewhere that has less than a billiard table surface and see just how it reacts at 135km/h+)

Interesting that 35km/h over is just a tad for you, but I suppose you can tell me how many more metres your car needs to pull up from 135km/h than it does at 100km/h? or how what radius curve you can theoretically get the thing round at both speeds?

You're right, nothing is affordable or immediate. As for the rest of it, when you stop trying to misrepresent me and what I've typed - I will reply, until then...the soap box is all yours...There is little point saying anything when you will just try to twist my words anyway...

TheInterceptor · 25-05-2011, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 302 XC

"There is no magic answer

Saftey camera's

xisled · 26-05-2011, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TheInterceptor

Saftey camera's

Saftey camera's only catch speeders and red light runners. But maybe CCTV could be used in industrial areas and such to catch the hoons.

**DJR-351** · 26-05-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by nasss92

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYgNx42umLI

these are the degenerates who should be banned from the roads.... how about increasing driving bans should a person show utter disrespect and anyone with a criminal record aswell... its these people who are the culprits for so many of the negative perceptions of car enthusiasts , complete morons with no ability to control themselves or grasp reality.. and this is the 5% idiots who wreck it for the rest of us, because they have limited brain function

not even worth trying to reason with such arrogant people, just ban em

After watching this i spent 2 hours looking through the hundreds of other "hoon vids", and not once did i hear anyone say we do it on the streets because there is no legal outlet....although there seem to be plenty of dimwits saying they have a right to carve up the streets because they pay there taxes....

Trying to help these ****wits is a complete waste of time.....

xisled · 26-05-2011, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DJR-351

After watching this i spent 2 hours looking through the hundreds of other "hoon vids", and not once did i hear anyone say we do it on the streets because there is no legal outlet....although there seem to be plenty of dimwits saying they have a right to carve up the streets because they pay there taxes....

Trying to help these ****wits is a complete waste of time.....

So if these people do not seem to care and think it is their right, then maybe education from a young age, will have a impact on future generations. Maybe a program should be put in place in primary schools and followed through to high school, and try and get kids to change there attitudes towards this.

pottery beige · 26-05-2011, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by xisled

Saftey camera's only catch speeders and red light runners. But maybe CCTV could be used in industrial areas and such to catch the hoons.

edinburgh park industrial estate SA......... drop a skid you will get a visit.......

**DJR-351** · 26-05-2011, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by xisled

So if these people do not seem to care and think it is their right, then maybe education from a young age, will have a impact on future generations. Maybe a program should be put in place in primary schools and followed through to high school, and try and get kids to change there attitudes towards this.

Maybe....if you believe you can prevent the attitude of idiots like these...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPz_4MdWgdI&NR=1

...there is no way in my wildest dreams i would think about fronting up to a copper like that....

The problem is NOT! the lack of venues....

AMGC63 · 26-05-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by xisled

So if these people do not seem to care and think it is their right, then maybe education from a young age, will have a impact on future generations. Maybe a program should be put in place in primary schools and followed through to high school, and try and get kids to change there attitudes towards this.

There's more driver Ed in schools now than ever before, many schools do driver training as a subject. You cant educate people to have a better attitude.. that comes from home.

That today tonight episode is absolute proof its about anarchy and freedom far more than lack of venues... Make it legal and the thirill isnt there..

Ben73 · 26-05-2011, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayne351

There's more driver Ed in schools now than ever before, many schools do driver training as a subject. You cant educate people to have a better attitude.. that comes from home.

That today tonight episode is absolute proof its about anarchy and freedom far more than lack of venues... Make it legal and the thirill isnt there..

When I was at school we were told we would be doing driver education. Never happened though. Might ask my brother if they have said anything to him about it yet.

xisled · 26-05-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayne351

There's more driver Ed in schools now than ever before, many schools do driver training as a subject. You cant educate people to have a better attitude.. that comes from home.

That today tonight episode is absolute proof its about anarchy and freedom far more than lack of venues... Make it legal and the thirill isnt there..

In my area, there is not 1 school that does driver education. There is around 10 high schools. I have 2 sisters in high school currently and 3 brothers and my self who have completed high school in the last 8 years. We all went to a couple of different schools and not 1 of us had drivers ed. My 2 sisters said there school does not offer it. None of my friends or family's friend has had it to.

xisled · 26-05-2011, 02:51 PM

Another idea that I have had, is making the learner system part of the school curriculum. Like in the U.S.

Students would have a class for driving, this would include theory and practical. Students that have there learners get to drive, with an instructor during school hours and students who do not have learners do not drive, and only do theory. (Just an idea).

Teach people from a young age to respect how dangerous a car can be.

v gate · 26-05-2011, 07:39 PM

gee its going to be hard to be a kid in the next generation with all this hollier than thou crap being preached. its hard now and im an adult so lets make it 10 times harder for our own kids then ay. you want a zero road toll the only way to get it is dont drive, fact the end
lets all catch the bus to mardi gras whoooooooo hoooooooo

damo76 · 26-05-2011, 07:57 PM

I can understand hooners in a way because i was one, the reason i used to do it was it was fun. Im now 35 and still a bit of a lead foot, but i dont think you can stop hoons because its all part of growing up/ being young.
3 weeks after i got my lisence i rooled my nice xw falcon in laverton doing 75mph on a gravel road, so i was very inexperienced.
Alright i think being a hoon when i was young has taught me to have better control and experience at the wheel for example wet roads.
You look back now and think it was pretty stupid but its all part of being a youngster.
Bottom line there should be more venues and places that youngsters can go let off steam and show off and see who can do the best snakey or handbrakey.