First drive - Ecoboost!! - Page 9

jpd80 · 22-04-2012, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JimStone

Narrower body?????

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Well, that just goes to show how space efficient the Falcon is with it's extra 75mm shoulder room

Franco Cozzo · 22-04-2012, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Now if that were a EB 2L RWD Focus I suspect there would be some extra interest.

Last RWD small hatch was the BMW 130i, interesting concept that one, 3L Inline 6 in a Focus size RWD hatch.

I guess if people really wanted it, they would have kept making them past 2006/7 or what ever year they stopped. Then again its BMW so real expensive.

jpd80 · 22-04-2012, 09:10 PM

Cadillac ATS is basically Fusion/Cruze size and weighs 1542 Kg
Ecoboost Falcon is much bigger and weighs 1644 Kgs

Somewhere in between those two sizes and measurements lies a
sweet spot that could attract a lot of buyers back to the blue oval..

JimStone · 23-04-2012, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Cadillac ATS is basically Fusion/Cruze size and weighs 1542 Kg
Ecoboost Falcon is much bigger and weighs 1644 Kgs

Somewhere in between those two sizes and measurements lies a
sweet spot that could attract a lot of buyers back to the blue oval..

How about something marginally smaller than the Mondeo; RWD or AWD 200kw/380nm 4cyl EB coupled to Mondeo style DSG 6 speed; seats, door armrest/window controls and centre console from the XR6; steering wheel, overall ergonomics, centre stack and driver interface from the Mondeo.

Where do I sign??

BrisVegas · 23-04-2012, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JimStone

How about something marginally smaller than the Mondeo; RWD or AWD 200kw/380nm 4cyl EB coupled to Mondeo style DSG 6 speed; seats, door armrest/window controls and centre console from the XR6; steering wheel, overall ergonomics, centre stack and driver interface from the Mondeo.

Where do I sign??

the closest Ford offering will be the Focus ST. Hopefully they make a sedan version as I think it's a good looking sedan this time around.

barra240t · 23-04-2012, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kevino

Just looked up Ecoboost on carsales.com.au, everyone is listed a 6cyl in the header details and also show 9.9ltrs per 100klms.

This type of misinformation does not help.

Thanks for the info, will be calling carsales now.

**Luke Plaizier** · 23-04-2012, 01:26 PM

GoAuto says "Ecoboost is here"

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2579E9000C75D5

Lukeyson

Joe5619 · 23-04-2012, 01:55 PM

it is luanch day.. Saw a few tiwter post by Ford.. 16 media outlets of taken the car for a spin

Dr Smith · 23-04-2012, 02:04 PM

I cannot believe the crap in this story and not one mention of what the actual EB Falcon is like.

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...r_takes_a_risk

Chilliman · 23-04-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I cannot believe the crap in this story and not one mention of what the actual EB Falcon is like.

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...r_takes_a_risk

Ford Australia will need a massive media campaign to counteract the pro-Holden/Anti-Ford Bias of some journalists.

Unfortunately Ford Aus doesn't seem to care about marketing the Falcon

Prove me wrong Ford, prove me wrong!!!

HULK EF · 23-04-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I cannot believe the crap in this story and not one mention of what the actual EB Falcon is like.

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...r_takes_a_risk

iv added my 2.9 cents at the bottom of the article (comments) waiting for editor approval.

How can the media be so against ford? obviously being paid off under the table? luxary holidays? cars/boats/ prostitutes? or just hammering away to plot the downfall of a major aussie built car so as to the media's next big story?
so fed up with this media ford bashing and Holden bias.

**Polyal** · 23-04-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK EF

iv added my 2.9 cents at the bottom of the article (comments) waiting for editor approval.

How can the media be so against ford? obviously being paid off under the table? luxary holidays? cars/boats/ prostitutes? or just hammering away to plot the downfall of a major aussie built car so as to the media's next big story?
so fed up with this media ford bashing and Holden bias.

Mine hasnt been approved yet...I didnt swear so just waiting....

I tell you what the journo's problem is...his a sheep and to scared to say anything that might go against the grain or popular belief..his riding the gravy train and its the easy way out.

His more interested in his retirement package then making a name for himself as a proper journalist.

Dr Smith · 23-04-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK EF

iv added my 2.9 cents at the bottom of the article (comments) waiting for editor approval.

How can the media be so against ford? obviously being paid off under the table? luxary holidays? cars/boats/ prostitutes? or just hammering away to plot the downfall of a major aussie built car so as to the media's next big story?
so fed up with this media ford bashing and Holden bias.

As are my comments, very interested to see if they post it. Actually I don't mind if Gover rubbishes any product, I'd just like him to SAMPLE the bl**dy thing and print his opinion rather then discussing past failures of other brands that have no bearing on today's technology, advancements and the superior engineering talent of the people involved. This is a world-class powerplant using the latest tech, not some sneezy, gutless donk lobbed in with a half-arsed attempt like the Stafire black hole....

HULK EF · 23-04-2012, 02:33 PM

Hopefully with enough negative comments about the article with positive commens on the car will have pauls bosses questioning his media work.

MyForce6 · 23-04-2012, 04:47 PM

http://performancedrive.com.au/2012-...i-now-on-sale/

nstg8a · 23-04-2012, 05:23 PM

plenty of negative comments so far... keep them rolling in guys

jpd80 · 23-04-2012, 05:49 PM

Mine's on there now too.

Paul Gover is showing his negativity, Me thinks PG is playing to and audience he thinks wants
to hear anti-Ford dribble but I don't even class him as a Holden fan as I've seen a lot of interest
from Team Red supporters who are very curious about Ecoboost Falcon.

JTFG · 23-04-2012, 06:29 PM

Not sure if this has been posted yet.
But not a bad review.

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...423-1xh1f.html

blueoval · 23-04-2012, 06:33 PM

I wonder if PG will get the hint. It could also be playing into Carguide hands by providing controversial exposure. Either way PG needs his "qualifications" questioned.

**Silver Ghia** · 23-04-2012, 06:42 PM

If it was Holden doing the same, the story would be quite the opposite and PG would be very excited about it. He is doing more harm to Australian car manufacture than probably anyone else. Yes, he should be given the flick from that job he has, as one comment suggested.

jpd80 · 23-04-2012, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MyForce6

http://performancedrive.com.au/2012-...i-now-on-sale/

Yeah, they quote the EcoLPI fuel consumption as that for the petrol I-6, I've submitted comment requesting the figure be changed..

blueoval · 23-04-2012, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Yeah, they quote the EcoLPI fuel consumption as that for the petrol I-6, I've submitted comment requesting the figure be changed..

It's falsely misleading to most mum & dad's out there, and as soon as they read this, most will click out of the website without finding out the facts. Lets hope this correct figures are made before too much damage is done to people's already weak opinions of the EB falcon.

jpd80 · 23-04-2012, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blueoval

It's falsely misleading to most mum & dad's out there, and as soon as they read this, most will click out of the website without finding out the facts. Lets hope this correct figures are made before too much damage is done to people's already weak opinions of the EB falcon.

It's sloppy journalism.
Anyone can look up greenvehicleguide.com.au and check the search, the answer is clearly there for all three versions.

jpd80 · 23-04-2012, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by j0nni

Not sure if this has been posted yet.
But not a bad review.

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...423-1xh1f.html

I can't believe I'm about to say this but Toby Hagon take a bow mate for being even handed:

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Even at 1500rpm the Falcon EcoBoost is pulling strongly with an effortlessness that makes for easy overtaking or slinking through traffic.

Peak power is also hearty, claimed at 179kW, again using premium unleaded; Ford says the peak outputs are down slightly when using regular unleaded.

It's not so much the power but that mid-rev flexibility that is the standout of the engine; it makes the traditional six-cylinder feel redundant.

This is why Paul Gover looks and sounds so out of step, even pro Holden press
are being more receptive to Ecoboost Falcon and what it stands for..

blueoval · 23-04-2012, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

It's sloppy journalism.
Anyone can look up greenvehicleguide.com.au and check the search, the answer is clearly there for all three versions.

Question is, will most mum and dad's actually go to that green site or just go off the cars guides remarks and move on?

jpd80 · 23-04-2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by blueoval

Question is, will most mum and dad's actually go to that green site or just go off the cars guides remarks and move on?

It overstates the fuel economy benefit of Ecoboost by misquoting the I-6 figure so not as bad as you'd think..

burnz · 23-04-2012, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Yeah, they quote the EcoLPI fuel consumption as that for the petrol I-6, I've submitted comment requesting the figure be changed..

allready edited.

Road_Warrior · 23-04-2012, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by j0nni

Not sure if this has been posted yet.
But not a bad review.

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...423-1xh1f.html

Trouble is it will get lost in the noise with the rest of the garbage Drive have been publishing today on the subject. Complete and utter rubbish some of it and based on nothing more but prejudice.

tranquilized · 23-04-2012, 08:19 PM

Looks like Wheels magazine (sorry to bring them up, again...) are impressed;

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Originally Posted by Wheels Magazine (Bill Thomas)

Falcon Four (yeah, they like to call it 'EcoBoost' but it's a four-cylinder Falcon, right?) launch and nice-looking lineup. As you'll read next month, it's a deeply impressive machine. Believe it or not, engine really suits it. Brilliant chassis, too - far better than the new Lexus GS I drove a couple of weeks ago. More wonderful, truly fantastic engineering from Ford Australia.

prydey · 23-04-2012, 11:17 PM

added my comment. clearly Gover is scared and threatened by ecoboost. his beloved holden about to get its pants pulled down