Ecoboost whats the point

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by prydey

3L commo for starters. hardly a fair contest though.

Yeah...maybe Ford should put the 1L ecoboost in to let the 3L have a chance.

[olds]

Originally Posted by prydey

3L commo for starters. hardly a fair contest though.

I don't think traditional commodore buyers will ever buy a 4 cyl I think its been tried on them before

[hawker]

Originally Posted by olds

I don't think traditional commodore buyers will ever buy a 4 cyl I think its been tried on them before

Most of the commodore owners I know, who run a V6 or V8, tend to have another car, like a Barina that they run during the week, because the other one costs too much to run full time :P

[barra240t]

Originally Posted by flappist

Was working in Kingaroy today and there was a EB G6E with all the goodies in the centre of the showroom. It got a reasonable amount of attention and there was a lot of activity on REVS so May might end up not so bad after all.

I will be working in Coolum on Friday so if I get a chance I will sus your demo out.

No worries, its up at Noosaville at the moment, but we have one in the showroom at Mdore too.

[olds]

Originally Posted by hawker

Most of the commodore owners I know, who run a V6 or V8, tend to have another car, like a Barina that they run during the week, because the other one costs too much to run full time :P

So do you think some of the commodore owners you know might be interested in an ecoboost as a second car ?

[flappist]

Originally Posted by olds

So do you think some of the commodore owners you know might be interested in an ecoboost as a second car ?

You have made your personal position perfectly clear. Continued sniping and thinly veiled baiting will be treated as argumentative.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by RASER

DPF only needs a longish drive on the hwy, or a good P-Plater thrashing to reset and clean itself, no permant damage

I've got a TDCI Focus which we think has a DPF, we're not too sure, I can still get it to blow out some soot in 3rd gear. I do about 100-110km a day highway to and from work without issue.

But it stands in the way of modification.

[GREGL]

Originally Posted by olds

So do you think some of the commodore owners you know might be interested in an ecoboost as a second car ?

What is the actual figure on sales to private buyers, stuff all.As has been pointed out before this car has been aimed at the fleet market. Govt's in a lot of cases are barred from buying a 6 cyl. Taxis are facing another reduction of the LPG rebate in the near future, to me they are on the money. If it performs as well as has been reported a lot of sales reps will consider it as well. As a second car umm some people must be a lot better off than us. be nice to afford it though!

[duaned]

I'm another skeptic of the need for the ecoboost Falcon. In NSW rego is based on GVM (if I am not mistaken) so I don't really know if there is any saving in rego for the Falcon here. Now fuel. Yes Ford has shown that it uses less petrol than the I6 but Holden also said you can get 1000kms from 1 tank? The ecoboost is a smaller donk as we know, but how much furthur down will the pedal go to get from A to B compared to the I6? To me the LPG falcon is the answer for fuel savings.
In my opinion, the falcon ecoboost should be sold at around ($26-$28k) with only the basic luxury ( even less than an XT ) features to appeal to fleet buyers. I just cant fathom why someone would pay a similar price for the ecoboost (compared to the I6) for in the real world, saving a few greenbacks a year.
Does anyone have some consumption figures for the I4? I'm currently on 8.4l/100 (city) and am struggling to see the 4 cylinder improve much on that driven under the same conditions.

[Cashie]

Originally Posted by duaned

I'm another skeptic of the need for the ecoboost Falcon. In NSW rego is based on GVM (if I am not mistaken) so I don't really know if there is any saving in rego for the Falcon here. Now fuel. Yes Ford has shown that it uses less petrol than the I6 but Holden also said you can get 1000kms from 1 tank? The ecoboost is a smaller donk as we know, but how much furthur down will the pedal go to get from A to B compared to the I6? To me the LPG falcon is the answer for fuel savings.
In my opinion, the falcon ecoboost should be sold at around ($26-$28k) with only the basic luxury ( even less than an XT ) features to appeal to fleet buyers. I just cant fathom why someone would pay a similar price for the ecoboost (compared to the I6) for in the real world, saving a few greenbacks a year.
Does anyone have some consumption figures for the I4? I'm currently on 8.4l/100 (city) and am struggling to see the 4 cylinder improve much on that driven under the same conditions.

8.4l/100km is great going for city, I'm averaging mid 9s.

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by duaned

I'm another skeptic of the need for the ecoboost Falcon. In NSW rego is based on GVM (if I am not mistaken) so I don't really know if there is any saving in rego for the Falcon here. Now fuel. Yes Ford has shown that it uses less petrol than the I6 but Holden also said you can get 1000kms from 1 tank? The ecoboost is a smaller donk as we know, but how much furthur down will the pedal go to get from A to B compared to the I6? To me the LPG falcon is the answer for fuel savings.
In my opinion, the falcon ecoboost should be sold at around ($26-$28k) with only the basic luxury ( even less than an XT ) features to appeal to fleet buyers. I just cant fathom why someone would pay a similar price for the ecoboost (compared to the I6) for in the real world, saving a few greenbacks a year.
Does anyone have some consumption figures for the I4? I'm currently on 8.4l/100 (city) and am struggling to see the 4 cylinder improve much on that driven under the same conditions.

So how is this figure of 8.4 l/100km arrived at? Is it an average consumption calculated over a reasonable period of time like a few months or so, and using actual fuel measurements at the bowser since the last tank fill? And what is the average speed over that duration?

Just quoting a consumption figure without defining what is represented is meaningless imo. And if trying to determine what the EB would do in the same conditions, how can you say there wont be any improvement when you really dont know?

And why should the EB be priced at what you suggest when the performance is almost the same as the existing I6, but with better handling, and everything else is comparable? And the fleet drivers should just have a basic car with four wheels? I dont think they would agree.

And the LPi has a severely restricted bootspace especially when carrying a spare wheel. I know I would choose the EB over the lpi just on this issue.

[drwevil]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

And the LPi has a severely restricted bootspace especially when carrying a spare wheel. I know I would choose the EB over the lpi just on this issue.

I have the EcoLPI XR6 with space saver spare. The boot has more usable space than my old focus TDCI with the seats up and the spare provides real handy spots to hold milk bottles etc that you don't want sliding around your boot. You just shove them between the spare and the wall of the boot. I use that very week.

Also how often do you carry large stuff in your boot?

One thing about the puncture repair kit goo and compressor you don't get a jack.....

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

So how is this figure of 8.4 l/100km arrived at? Is it an average consumption calculated over a reasonable period of time like a few months or so, and using actual fuel measurements at the bowser since the last tank fill? And what is the average speed over that duration?

Just quoting a consumption figure without defining what is represented is meaningless imo. And if trying to determine what the EB would do in the same conditions, how can you say there wont be any improvement when you really dont know?

And why should the EB be priced at what you suggest when the performance is almost the same as the existing I6, but with better handling, and everything else is comparable? And the fleet drivers should just have a basic car with four wheels? I dont think they would agree.

And the LPi has a severely restricted bootspace especially when carrying a spare wheel. I know I would choose the EB over the lpi just on this issue.

Would you pay the same price for a BMW 525i as a BMW 550i ?

[flooded one]

i got in an arguement with someone trying too tell me that the ecoboost falcon is a 6 that cuts down to 4 cylinders while running on the highway. told him too do some reaserch and he will find that the engine is a turbo 4 pot. as for the 900kms too tank think holden claimed awhile back isnt nothing new. i'm pretty sure my AU sedan would come close too it if not match it out on the highway

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by duaned

To me the LPG falcon is the answer for fuel savings.
In my opinion, the falcon ecoboost should be sold at around ($26-$28k) with only the basic luxury ( even less than an XT ) features to appeal to fleet buyers. I just cant fathom why someone would pay a similar price for the ecoboost (compared to the I6) for in the real world, saving a few greenbacks a year.

LPG isn't for everyone. For me personally, I'd choose a petrol engined car over a diesel or an LPG any time. It may be my own prejudiced perceptions, but to me, Diesels are for 4WDs and commercial vehicles, while LPGs are for taxis. I'm coming around to liking diesels because of its excellent consumption figures and range, but I've yet to be convinced about LPG other than the fact that it's cheap.

I'd choose the EcoBoost over the EcoLPI for another important reason: boot space. The fact that EcoLPI has a smaller boot, and no spare tyre is a deal breaker for me. LPG also has a disadvantage in that you get less range than a petrol. Try going 900km down the highway in an EcoLPI.

Yes, some people like LPG. That's why Ford gave us a choice. Asking what's the point of an EcoBoost is like me asking what's the point of LPG. I don't want it, but that doesn't mean there's no point to it.

As for price, why should a Falcon with a more advanced engine be sold for less than one with an antiquated I6? Why should it be equipped with "less than XT" features? The only difference between a Falcon EcoBoost and a Falcon I6 is the engine. I saw a G6E EcoBoost on the road today - gorgeous car. While Ford may openly state that the EcoBoost is aimed at fleets, if I were in a position to buy a new Falcon it'd most likely be the EcoBoost. Don't get me wrong, I love the I6. It's a fantastic engine. I wish Ford could've "Eco-boosted" the I6, if it were technically possible.

[drwevil]

Originally Posted by wildrider

i got in an arguement with someone trying too tell me that the ecoboost falcon is a 6 that cuts down to 4 cylinders while running on the highway. told him too do some reaserch and he will find that the engine is a turbo 4 pot. as for the 900kms too tank think holden claimed awhile back isnt nothing new. i'm pretty sure my AU sedan would come close too it if not match it out on the highway

Lol some people have some strange notions ....

Ford said they toyed with the idea of dropping out cylinders but the problem with that is you still need to lug around all that weight of the extra cylinders.

At least ford just didn't just drop in a slightly smaller engine and say "hey look better ecomony....."like Holden did with the omega.

I'm getting about 700 k's from a tank in me EcoLPI with mostly highway running.

[landau460]

Originally Posted by duaned

I'm another skeptic of the need for the ecoboost Falcon. In NSW rego is based on GVM (if I am not mistaken) so I don't really know if there is any saving in rego for the Falcon here. Now fuel. Yes Ford has shown that it uses less petrol than the I6 but Holden also said you can get 1000kms from 1 tank? The ecoboost is a smaller donk as we know, but how much furthur down will the pedal go to get from A to B compared to the I6? To me the LPG falcon is the answer for fuel savings.
In my opinion, the falcon ecoboost should be sold at around ($26-$28k) with only the basic luxury ( even less than an XT ) features to appeal to fleet buyers. I just cant fathom why someone would pay a similar price for the ecoboost (compared to the I6) for in the real world, saving a few greenbacks a year.
Does anyone have some consumption figures for the I4? I'm currently on 8.4l/100 (city) and am struggling to see the 4 cylinder improve much on that driven under the same conditions.

i have been sayin for a while that there should be a povo pack falcon offered!
There is to many options in the standard list. But that goes for the whole industrie.
They need safety good fuel consumption would be good but all the other stuff aghh!

The BA GT i bought 3 year ago has that many buttons i dont use. not to mention tryin to find them wilst driving!

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by olds

I don't think traditional commodore buyers will ever buy a 4 cyl I think its been tried on them before

The four cylinder variant is intended to draw in more buyers, not convert happy existing buyers.

The bigger concern is keeping fleet sales which seem to have evaporated...

[duaned]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

Just quoting a consumption figure without defining what is represented is meaningless imo. And if trying to determine what the EB would do in the same conditions, how can you say there wont be any improvement when you really dont know?

I guess since you have started the argument I would image you could tell us all how Ford (with the ecoboost) and Holden etc. also come up with their fuel consumption figures! I didn't say there wont be fuel savings using the ecoboost, I just suggested I personally can't see (in the real world) real fuel consumption benefits making the choice to the 4 cyl.

If the 4cyl acheived 8.1l/100 in day to day driving then some savings would make it worthwhile ( in particular for fleets that get wholsale fuel pricing anyway) for fleets but this figure is from Ford, and does not reflect real day to day driving. So with my consumption ( from driving around newcastle) of 8.5l/100
and that of the ecoboost, the latter would save me $3.46 a week over a year for a travelling distance of 30,000kms. I travel about 10k a year in my Falcon, which if my consumption remains similar would save me $2.88 p/week.

Based on ford figures for the 4cyl, not real day to day results.
Hardly worth it IMO, in my case the the savings are not enough to let go of the awesome I6 motor.

[brett7777]

Originally Posted by duaned

my consumption ( from driving around newcastle) of 8.5l/100

all the roads in newcastle must be downhill

but i must admit, I love the I6

[duaned]

Originally Posted by NX74205

As for price, why should a Falcon with a more advanced engine be sold for less than one with an antiquated I6? Why should it be equipped with "less than XT" features? The only difference between a Falcon EcoBoost and a Falcon I6 is the engine.

Ford Australia want it to sell right? Will people buy the ecoboost on the idea it MAY save them some fuel costs? People are becoming smarter than this and are waking up to the fact that what fuel figures are published by the manufactuer are hardly what is achievable in real life.

Originally Posted by NX74205

I saw a G6E EcoBoost on the road today - gorgeous car.

So by your definition, are you saying it looked gorgeous because it has the Ecoboost badge?

[duaned]

Originally Posted by brett7777

all the roads in newcastle must be downhill

but i must admit, I love the I6

I wish, but I would have to climb them coming back the other way to get home!

[Brazen]

With people seeing Ecoboost around, positive road tests, and having a few dealers and Ford workers on here, just wondering has Ecoboost been a success?

Realise it may be too early to tell, but even a few weeks into diesel Territory release demand was outstripping supply - has there been a real surge in Falcons from what people can tell? Be curious if there is a real order surge banking up which might give a boost to sales figures over the next few months.

[Anchor]

Sold 2 ecoboosts and 2 XR6's in the last week and a half. Not a big city dealer. Walked one couple from a mondeo zetec tdci to a G6 Ecoboost LE. So far so good..

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Sold 2 ecoboosts and 2 XR6's in the last week and a half. Not a big city dealer. Walked one couple from a mondeo zetec tdci to a G6 Ecoboost LE. So far so good..

Great,

I wouldnt be suprised if they bring out a Ecoboost XR6 eventually.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Sold 2 ecoboosts and 2 XR6's in the last week and a half. Not a big city dealer. Walked one couple from a mondeo zetec tdci to a G6 Ecoboost LE. So far so good..

That is good news.. How many Falcon would you normally sell in a week??


What are people's reactions after test driving the Ecoboost?

[flappist]

There is a lot of emotion and polarisation in this thread.

EB will not suit all buyers but then neither will any of the other models.

There is no one here who has bought one of every model and of those have actually bought a new Falcon or Territory in the last 10 years bought the one that they wanted not necessarily the most popular.

Since BA Ford and FPV have made some excellent model decisions but also some less so.

Manual transmissions and V8s in sedans other than XR/FPV, Turbo Terri and F6X, Force, Pursuit, Fairlane/LTD and in later years XR8 have all not sold as well as might be expected.

On the other hand G6ET, Terri Tdci, GT & XR6 all sold way above what many would have expected.

Ford have a much wider view of the Australian car market and yes sometimes they get it wrong but the majority of time they do get it pretty right.

So if there is a model variant that you personally do not like and cannot see a reason for.....THEN DO NOT BUY ONE. Others may have a different view.

In the same way if there was a model variant now dropped that you did like and you did not buy one then YOU are part of the reason it is gone.

I am dismayed that there are members here who proport themselves to be "Falcon Enthusiasts" yet cannot see the merit in the top of the range luxury Falcon, the G6E being available in a T4, I6, I6LPi, T6 and if you include the GTE a SC8.

[SB076]

I havent read the whole thread - But my understanding, some fleet and governments have stated they will only buy 4 cyl vehicles (I beleive the former Queensland state gov was one of them) I beleive Ford may have seen it as an opportunity to sell more vehicles

In the past a large % of sales for both Holden and Ford come from fleets and governments. Ford therefore need to either a) forget about serving that market, or b) adapt by listening to its customers.

You will probably find that the government offered funding to local vehicle manufacturers to produce more economical vehicles and Ford might have used some of this money to introduce the EB

Edit but I probably should have read the whole thread before posting this as i beleive someone would have covered off on the above previously.

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by duaned

Ford Australia want it to sell right? Will people buy the ecoboost on the idea it MAY save them some fuel costs?

Well, it's got me convinced. I doubt I'll buy the I6 Falcon again.

Originally Posted by duaned

People are becoming smarter than this and are waking up to the fact that what fuel figures are published by the manufactuer are hardly what is achievable in real life.

Oh yes, I know that all too well. I'm getting somewhere in the vicinity of 12L/100km in mixed driving from my BF I6 Fairmont, while the claimed figure was 10.9L/100km, if I recall correctly. So that's about 10% worse.

10% worse than 8.5L/100km gives me 9.3L/100km. It's still way better figures than what I'm getting with the I6.

Originally Posted by duaned

So by your definition, are you saying it looked gorgeous because it has the Ecoboost badge?

No, I'm saying all FGIIs are gorgeous looking cars

[RedHotGT]

Originally Posted by flappist

In the same way if there was a model variant now dropped that you did like and you did not buy one then YOU are part of the reason it is gone.

Bang - target hit - dead centre.