Schapelle Corby.

[Phil]

yeah the clerik basar, or what ever his name is , got something like 20 months minus the time he has already been in jail......justice ? Killed 200 odd people.............mostly australians.

[MITCHAY]

Its seems to me over there its guilty until proven innocent unlike innocent until proven guilty. It also seems that they were trying and pin her no matter what. I cant believe that no tests were done at all. Would i be correct in assuming this wouldnt fly in our courts so why would it be like that there? Now this chick has to go through an appeals process which more likely than not see a no better result.

[blueoval]

Im not sure about the verdict, but I know Im personally going to boycott Bali like theres no tomorrow.

I realise they were administering their law, but by doing that, they have also sealed their fate in the tourism stakes.

No friggin hope for the Bali 9. Death Im afraid.

[MrSparkle]

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[4Vman]

Sad way to see someone treated, guilty or not its just a F#CKED UP place if a bomber gets to slaughter our own and basically get off, then they get decimated by a natural disaster and we rightly jump to help, then they return the favour by pre judging a case on "guilty till proven innocent" laws...

Ill NEVER set foot in the place.

[XR-ENVI]

Its a shame to hear on the news and radio and the like, everyone is bagging the Indonesian Judicial system and i for one am not saying what they do is right. But they also keep pleading Shapelles innocence etc etc. I am not saying that i think she is guilty or inoccent. BUt how do these peole know she is definately innocent? there is a possibility she is fooling everyone.
yeah i feel sorry for her and i think that she probably didnt do it , but there is the chance that she did.
if they bring her back to Aus. maybe they should be doing the same with all Aussie prisoners overseas and they shoud also send all the non austalians in australian jails back to thier origin country, cos whats good for one should be good for all.
I am not being heartless or anytihng but there is a chance that she really is gulity. some of her legal team commented that its the worst penalty they could of imagined i would have thought death was worse
but anyway i really think the pressure from australia wont change the judges decisions, only the facts will and unfortunately they seem to take the approach guilty until proven innocent

[xdc351]

I believe she's innocent simply because there is not enough evidence to support guilt. If you rely soley on the fact the drugs were in her bag then fine, she's guilty. But as I said earlier, how did she manage to get 4KG of dope through sydney airport? Why did they not check the security camera's to verify the customs agent's story when it was made apparent Schapelle's version of events was different? Why not weigh her luggage at both ends? Why bother importing $40,000 of drugs, that even if they were highly sought after, wouldn't get more than $20,000 over there because no-one can afford any more? And if you were actually trying to import such a massive quantity why would you just leave a pillow sized bag of dope just sitting in the bag? Surely you'd have it made into the body board or something?

There are just too many unanswered questions and there's stacks more where those came from. I just can't see how they can say beyond all reasonable doubt that she's guilty.

What fire's me up so much is that I do believe Schapelle is innocent and that this could happen to anyone. I mean, most people lock their bags so stuff doesn't get stolen, not becuase they fear someone's going to use them as an unwitting drug mule. If it was just a crappy body board I'd probably not bother locking the bag either (before now). It makes me shudder from head to toe that it could be me or one of my friends or realitives trapped in that disgusting hell hole and I truely hope this tale has a happy ending.

[bafel]

Have to keep in mind how the indonesian law system works. There is no "reasonable doubt" and the defence must prove her innocence. If this works in favour of the prosecution, well that's probable.
Jury's also put innocent people away aswell, and take to the media with a little grain of salt, they, the media, play on viewer emotion and will tell us a side we want to hear, or believe.

[LuvinmyEB]

Originally Posted by xdc351

Why did they not check the security camera's to verify the customs agent's story when it was made apparent Schapelle's version of events was different? Why not weigh her luggage at both ends?

There is no CCTV in customs in Denpasar, so they (the judges) said that they had to rely on a reputable *cough* customs agents version of the story. As well as two other police officers that were apparently witnesses.

All of Schapelles witnesses statements weren't taken into account.

If I followed the story correctly, the records of the weight of her bags in Australia were lost. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I will never take the risk of going over there, the biggest mistake she made was admitting that the bag was hers, if she had of denied that it was hers she would be a free girl. Who in their right mine would say "Oh it's mine." knowing that it had over 4kg of dope in it? :

If I ever travel overseas again and someone questions me about my luggage, I will be vehmently denying that it's mine. I'll leave it at the airport and just buy the stuff that I lost in the bag. I can replace clothes and other material things that I'm carrying, I can't replace 20 years of my life rotting in an over crowded prison cell.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by xdc351

I believe she's innocent simply because there is not enough evidence to support guilt. If you rely soley on the fact the drugs were in her bag then fine, she's guilty. But as I said earlier, how did she manage to get 4KG of dope through sydney airport? Why did they not check the security camera's to verify the customs agent's story when it was made apparent Schapelle's version of events was different? Why not weigh her luggage at both ends? Why bother importing $40,000 of drugs, that even if they were highly sought after, wouldn't get more than $20,000 over there because no-one can afford any more? And if you were actually trying to import such a massive quantity why would you just leave a pillow sized bag of dope just sitting in the bag? Surely you'd have it made into the body board or something?

There are just too many unanswered questions and there's stacks more where those came from. I just can't see how they can say beyond all reasonable doubt that she's guilty.

What fire's me up so much is that I do believe Schapelle is innocent and that this could happen to anyone. I mean, most people lock their bags so stuff doesn't get stolen, not becuase they fear someone's going to use them as an unwitting drug mule. If it was just a crappy body board I'd probably not bother locking the bag either (before now). It makes me shudder from head to toe that it could be me or one of my friends or realitives trapped in that disgusting hell hole and I truely hope this tale has a happy ending.

Excellent point, this protest isnt just about Schapelle or if she's guilty or innocent, its also about fair play as well as about protecting ALL aussies should we travel to this hell hole.

[xdc351]

Originally Posted by bafel

Have to keep in mind how the indonesian law system works. There is no "reasonable doubt" and the defence must prove her innocence. If this works in favour of the prosecution, well that's probable.
Jury's also put innocent people away aswell, and take to the media with a little grain of salt, they, the media, play on viewer emotion and will tell us a side we want to hear, or believe.

After seeing the joke that is Schapelle's trial you might think that was the case, but Indonesian law IS innocent until proven guilty.

But then, being proven guilty is easy when the judges reject everything the defence put forward, isn't it?

[MITCHAY]

Everyone should have the right to be able to travel without fear of this happening. How many before this story broke believed they could be used as a drug mule? She isnt a dumbass for not locking it she has every right to travel without fear.

In hindsight it wasnt a great idea for not locking it but hindsight is 20/20 and even still you can still break in to it. Its obviously corrupt so either locked or not she still probably still would of got pinned for it. You see the problem is if she didnt admit to owning the bag and they proved she did own it then it would look even worse.

If she had of found the stash before then it probably would of been better to ditch as you would probably have a better possibility of getting off as it seems from this result.

Hopefully she wont get a worse result from the appeal.

[xdc351]

Originally Posted by LuvinmyEB

There is no CCTV in customs in Denpasar, so they (the judges) said that they had to rely on a reputable *cough* customs agents version of the story. As well as two other police officers that were apparently witnesses.

All of Schapelles witnesses statements weren't taken into account.

If I followed the story correctly, the records of the weight of her bags in Australia were lost. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I will never take the risk of going over there, the biggest mistake she made was admitting that the bag was hers, if she had of denied that it was hers she would be a free girl. Who in their right mine would say "Oh it's mine." knowing that it had over 4kg of dope in it? :

If I ever travel overseas again and someone questions me about my luggage, I will be vehmently denying that it's mine. I'll leave it at the airport and just buy the stuff that I lost in the bag. I can replace clothes and other material things that I'm carrying, I can't replace 20 years of my life rotting in an over crowded prison cell.

- There is CCTV at denpasar and when access to the tape was requested by the defence team it was denied.

- Brisbane Airport has sent a signed letter outlining the bag was X-Rayed and cleared for prohibited substances prior to being transported to bali via Sydney and that Schapelle did not have access to the bag after it was registered at Brisbane airport.

- All luggage is weighed and tagged at check in to ensure it does not exceed maximum weight.

But all of the above is useless if the judges aren't prepared to listen.

[gtfpv]

:ticking: callme paranoid and distrusting but time and time again my faith in people is dwindled .why was she so stupid not to lock her bag? where is the evidence of the bag wieght and xray of the bag whilst in sydney .? why aren't the government concerned or accountable for this not being presented.the indonesion judges had to seperate emotion from evideece and the evidence is week. both for and against . i am very ashamed of the australian support and evidence that was not presented because of 3rd class security and customs in australia. there should be no question of what happened to her luggage whilst in this country. but once again we have been let down by our dodgy politicians and practices. and it shows because we would be able to demand justice with proof of innocence or guilt on our side if we had a world class security system in place as we're so often told we have.the government on this one is hiding its face with embarrassment and stands behind no australian overseas. i would love to see a minister responsible for airport security thrown into jail with her, as would happen in china. moral of this post is we are being mislead with what were told the truth is we are being shortchanged in every area in this day and age alot of things our taxes pay for simply just are not done. on both state and federal levels . time for a revolution.we are being controlled and bowing down to it . the bosses of the country hold themselves accountable for nothing these days, and we accept it. this is wrong. after sept 11 dont you think security and servailance would have been reformed.just having a proper documenting and camera survailance would be sufficient but no of course shappelle is on her own. the govts responce to australians who get caught up in trouble over seas is ,we are doing everything we can. like what sweet fa its not our fault. :

[LuvinmyEB]

Originally Posted by xdc351

- There is CCTV at denpasar and when access to the tape was requested by the defence team it was denied.

- Brisbane Airport has sent a signed letter outlining the bag was X-Rayed and cleared for prohibited substances prior to being transported to bali via Sydney and that Schapelle did not have access to the bag after it was registered at Brisbane airport.

- All luggage is weighed and tagged at check in to ensure it does not exceed maximum weight.

But all of the above is useless if the judges aren't prepared to listen.

Sorry it was at Sydney airport that the tapes from the CCTV were wiped within 24 hours. They claim to have 600 CCTV but don't use them to watch every move the workers there make.

I bet they're watching them pretty damn closely now!

Too little too late unfortunately. :gren:

[XAHardtop]

Similarity to this by any chance? http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/37731

[Thornie]

i have been told by many ppl that you are not aloud to lock your bags that are going onto planes for security reasons otherwise they cut the locks on them

[XAHardtop]

Originally Posted by RaTTuS

i have been told by many ppl that you are not aloud to lock your bags that are going onto planes for security reasons otherwise they cut the locks on them

I've been backpacking overseas a number of times, with surfboards as well and you are ALWAYS advised to lock your bags. Usually put masking tape round the board covers too. Out of about 12 trips, I've had the locks on my backpack cut once and that was upon returning to Australia (as soon as I saw this I informed a customs officer, who then informed me the bag had been inspected-it had a special sticker on it). One of my friends actually has a net made of steel cable that goes around his backpack when it's in transit. Bloody good idea these days.

You can never be too careful when travelling.

[Thornie]

yep i would suggest organizing your bag so that if it has been tampered with you can visually see it

[Philbie]

travel all over the country side - ask the leyland brothers

I gotta say - the leyland brothers had it in one 15 years ago.........Checkout our own country first! - it's that dam big, I'll never get anywhere else in this lifetime.....

and as many of you have said, and i agree, guilty or not, the way this whole case has been delt with, has changed my view of travelling to particular countries.

I have a 4x4 - i'm staying home.

[smoo]

Amazing... no 'human rights' campaigners there to support her/bother everyone else (correct me if there was), different story for Sudam Hussein _

[Psycho Chicken]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

She isnt a dumbass for not locking it she has every right to travel without fear.

I have every right to leave the keys in the ignition up the street with the windows down but I'd be an idiot to do it.

You lock your car when you leave it, you lock you house when you go out. I can't see why anyone would treat their luggage any different.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

I have every right to leave the keys in the ignition up the street with the windows down but I'd be an idiot to do it.

Actually, it's against the law to do so. :P

[Psycho Chicken]

Didn't realise that til I read the other thread. Ahhhh good old terrorism laws, god bless the USA.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Didn't realise that til I read the other thread. Ahhhh good old terrorism laws, god bless the USA.

I don't think it has anything to do with terrorism laws (if you're replying about it being against the law to leave your car unlocked and unattended) but as an attempt to reduce car theft.

[Psycho Chicken]

Oh no, I was refering to locking baggage. But either way.

[ferris01]

I have been told you can have your bags sealed in plastic you pay extra for this at the airport...In America they do not allow you to seal your bags...

[JPFS1]

Almost all of the post and opinions in this thread is just based on pure speculation. Not what you want to rely on when trying to determine innocence/guilt.

It's best in this case not to pass judgement as it's impossible to know based on what's been revealed to us by our dodgy media.

The other thing, all this Boycott Bali talk etc, WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!!! Don't be so naive to think that they are the only corrupt country around, us AUSSIES must have a short memory, plenty of internl corruption in our own land people.

How many millions of people have travelled to Indonesia?? how many have been setup/locked away???

This has been going on all over the world for many many years and will continue to happen until the incentive is taken away... the druggies will not be detered no matter what the punishment coz they're as good as dead anyway... to them, there life is full of desperation and is almost meaningless, so they take the risks.

In ending, IF she is innocent, i do feel for her, if not, then i'm glad she's been caught, but i will not speculate about reasons why or why not she wouldn't do this etc, these people tend to do things that many of us can't comprehend.

[Racecraft]

After a discussion today I'll throw another angle in

Look at the PR win for Jonnie Howard if he goes into bat for this woman, millions of voters would think of him as a champion. Now i ask why he didn't, perhaps it is because the Federal Police/ASIO or whoever have not found any evidence to prove her innocence.

Something to think about...

Innocent or guilty 20 years for abit of hoochie is scandalous.....

[gtfpv]

very fair comment and worth a thought . but nobody knows weather john howard gives a shit either.