Covid 19 -

[russellw]

Before we get too far out in the political backwaters....

Here are the two graphs for countries that are trending downward in their new cases per 100k population numbers. Ireland and Belgium have been making inroads but these have flattened off the last few days while Sweden has seen a sharp downturn for reasons that aren't yet apparent.





... and the ones that are going in the opposite direction:

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by prydey

In this age of connectivity and internet it would be virtually impossible to pull off some kind of conspiracy like people are suggesting China have done and then be able to keep it quiet all while fooling every expert that studies it.

Of all the experts that have studied this virus genetic code how many have come to the conclusion that it is man made or synthetic? Perhaps they have all been silenced?

It doesn't matter to the general populations of the countries around the world where the virus originated. We have it here so we just have to deal with it.

Questioning how the virus started or how it managed to be spread around doesn't make it any less real.

The same China that has almost complete control over it's population, censors and controls their internet, arrests dissidents for even the slightest anti-china rhetoric, and manipulates and controls the entire news network?

You sound like a sheep that would believe every word you get told.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by zipping

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But here in the not so great state of Victoria, the police feel its right to leak photo's of arrested people and get them on the broadsheets/social media.

While at the same time demand we download an app and that they trust us.

Anyway my original point on more Americans having a healthy scepticism of their government was my point.

Australians should be outraged that Dean Laidley's arrest photo's has been leaked.

Yet again the most politicised police force in Australia does the wrong thing and its very unlikely to be any repercussions because the populace just accepts it these days.

That is an absolute disgrace but given their recent behavior over the COVID-19 restrictions after much backlash from the community it's no surprise what they've done with Dean Laidley.

[nstg8a]

The virus doesn’t need to be man made or synthetic to have been a deliberate release.

Take the emotion out of it.

China did not stop its citizens leaving a known hot spot.

The who tried to discourage sovereign nations from closing their own borders.

Chinese citizens have been found all over the world to have been buying up ppe and medical supplies in countries prior to covid 19 becoming a pandemic. (Then there’s the Italian job)

China is now attempting to use its economic power to shut down any independent inquiry into the origins of covid 19.

Chinese business interests are amongst the best placed to take advantage of failing western businesses due to covid 19.

One belt, one road. Research that and make up your own mind...

(By research I don’t mean YouTube either aph.gov.au has some good information )


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[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Could have blamed the Jews - they're the singular group both the left and right side of politics enjoy pointing fingers at

The Jews had nothing to do with it!

I'm part Jewish and I didn't get a memo.

My people are far too busy manipulating stockmarkets and controlling banking to bother with fake pandemics.

I have it on good authority this is all the work of the Reptilians.

They plan to tamper with the vaccine for CV 19 so no one will be able to tell the differance between us and the lizard people....

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

The Jews had nothing to do with it!

I'm part Jewish and I didn't get a memo.

My people are far too busy manipulating stockmarkets and controlling banking to bother with fake pandemics.

I have it on good authority this is all the work of the Reptilians.

They plan to tamper with the vaccine for CV 19 so no one will be able to tell the differance between us and the lizard people....

Next you'll be putting autism in the vaccinations

I've been having fun with that at work, everyone whose been going for the free flu shot I've been wishing them well with their newfound autism

[marty351]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Next you'll be putting autism in the vaccinations

I've been having fun with that at work, everyone whose been going for the free flu shot I've been wishing them well with their newfound autism

It takes one to know one!

[Romulus]

Some interesting numbers and stats to glean from this data from CDC.gov.

1. There’s a delayed response in listing all deaths from CV-19, but the number quoted is 37,308
2. The percent of expected deaths is trending around average or as expected.
3. Death from pneumonia falling.
4. Most noticeable, column 1 includes deaths with PRESUMED COVID-19.

There’s anecdotal evidence death certificates are being changed to COVID-19 deaths.

[cheap]

Australia prepare yourself for even more invasive tracking !

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/0...sitor_logging/

Singapore to require smartphone check-ins at all businesses and will log visitors' national identity numbers

Even parks and train stations encouraged to use QR codes. Which may show the limits of Bluetooth contact-tracing!

Singapore will from May 12th require all businesses to adopt a system that checks visitors into and out of their premises using their smartphones, and has already made using the system compulsory before entering some venues.

Called “SafeEntry”, the system is designed to enhance Singapore's coronavirus contact-tracing capabilities and requires visitors to either scan a QR code or allow their phones to be scanned to record a barcode in the national e-services app. That scans are taken when visitors enter and exit a premises.

Singapore’s Ministry of Health says the service logs names, national identity numbers (or the equivalent for long-term residents) and mobile phone numbers, plus the time a user entered and exited a venue.

The resulting data is uploaded to a cloud service where, the Ministry says, it will only be used “by authorised personnel for contact tracing purposes, and stringent measures are in place to safeguard the data in accordance with the Government’s data security standards.”

Singapore’s introducing the service in response as part of its effort to lift coronavirus-related restrictions on movement. After initially doing well to quell the virus’ spread, the city-state recorded a spike in cases with most found in dormitories used to house foreign workers. The increase in cases prompted a new round of restrictions, dubbed “circuit breaker” measures. Now the national government wants to ease those restrictions and set Singapore on a road to just-about-normal from June 1st. To get there it is telling citizens it needs SafeEntry to improve contact-tracing.

While SafeEntry will be compulsory in all businesses and for those entering public venues like shopping malls, even train stations and parks will be encouraged to display barcodes so that visitors can check in and out.

Singapore was one of the first nations to adopt a Bluetooth-powered contact-tracing app, fueling plenty of global debate about the best way to deploy the technology. SafeEntry will advance that debate as its introduction surely suggests that contact-tracing apps have their limitations.

SafeEntry was developed by the same government agency that created TraceTogether. The latter was open-sourced – perhaps SafeEntry will be too! ®

[guzzis3]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Could have blamed the Jews - they're the singular group both the left and right side of politics enjoy pointing fingers at

But that would be racist and not politically correct, and I'm never either of those.

The Reptilian Illuminati though, they are fair game...

It has always baffled me how the lefties weld themselves to Islam and have come to hate the Catholics, when labor and the socialist movements grew from mostly Catholic stock and Islam declares opposition to so much of what the left claim to love...but then it's never about solutions or issues and probably not about ideals. It's all about the hate...

[guzzis3]

How is Sweden's death rate trending ?

[Tickford.]

Brazil's president said this is "just a little flu" early into the pandemic, and has continued to play down the severity of the virus. He sacked his federal police chief, and his health minister for supporting isolation as a tool to contain the spread of the virus. As a result, the justice and security minister, has also resigned.

How is this "little flue" going in Brazil russelw? TIA.

[CyberWasp]

My stupid question of the day.

Even if China was comprehensively proven by every court in the world to be responsible for all of this, then how would you collect and or enforce the penalty?

It would be like the previous photo of the guy walking up to the tank with a bill to give them.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

My stupid question of the day.

Even if China was comprehensively proven by every court in the world to be responsible for all of this, then how would you collect and or enforce the penalty?

It would be like the previous photo of the guy walking up to the tank with a bill to give them.

In a government I lead, we will write China a letter telling them how disappointed we are with them

[MITCHAY]

You're dreaming if you think anyone is going to get any compo from China. It isn't going to happen, at least by them agreeing to pay anything.

The best (if anything) that will happen is we find out the what, the where, and the why and have a plan to mitigate future pandemics. This all we are asking for.

I have to laugh at them lashing out at our media though. Well that's the difference between a free press and yours. Ours can write whatever the **** they feel like but they can be sued.

When we read your media we know it is state sponsored you dumb ****s.

[Romulus]

China won't have to pay any compensation, it's called sovereign immunity. The penalty for China will be nations pulling their manufacturing out of China and progressively severing their trade ties with them.

https://www.justsecurity.org/69460/d...r-coronavirus/

[superyob]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

In a government I lead, we will write China a letter telling them how disappointed we are with them

Can we frown sternly at them as well??? Like this...

[superyob]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Ours can write whatever the **** they feel like but they can be sued.

When we read your media we know it is state sponsored you dumb ****s.

That's not true either. They are all in lockstep with the current lunacies afflicting society. They dare not step out of line...

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by superyob

Can we frown sternly at them as well??? Like this...

That's a bit risky, isn't it? They might frown back, then what would we do?

[Franco Cozzo]

Speaking of autism:

Vaccination-sceptic political party wins name change despite heavyweight objectors

A political party opposing compulsory vaccinations and fluoride in water has overcome objections from the nation's highest health offices to win a name change with the Australian Electoral Commission.

The Involuntary Medication Objectors (Vaccination/Fluoride) Party will now be known as the Informed Medical Options Party, a change medical experts warned was an attempt to conceal the party's true agenda and appear more mainstream.

https://amp.theage.com.au/national/v...mpression=true

Sneaky sneaky! It shows you with a little bit of marketing you can go a long way, Like the former 'sex party' in VIC becoming Fiona Patten's 'Reason Party' - quite good policies by the way.

Though I see they merged with the Australian Cyclists Party and im feeling voters remorse.

[Franco Cozzo]

Speaking of COVID-19, has this reached any of Indigenous community? I wonder if they are very susceptible to this compared to the rest of us?

Is there any information about this at all?

In the USA it appears to heavily effect their African American population but I'm not sure if that's because of low socioeconomic group, underlying health issues and their terrible healthcare system.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

but I'm not sure if that's because of low socioeconomic group, underlying health issues and their terrible healthcare system.

All of the above plus living in more crowded housing. Campbell suggests it is because of lower vitamin D levels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSXNGc7pfs

[EgoFG]

I think it would be Interesting to compare Pennsylvania and Florida.
Similar Population Density, Similar Population, Florida with a much greater % of 'at risk' people.
Pennsylvania, still Shelter in Place perhaps relaxing next week.
Florida only ever required the high risk to be sheltered, and focused its testing on them - The state was largely free.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by zipping

Not anti-american......umm well you coulda fooled me, you certainly buy into the media spin.

More specifically, the numbers say the UK health system is performing way more poorly than the American....yet the news shows the British people honoring their poor system like brainwashed imbeciles. The NHS can't even provided a estimate on recovered patients and until a couple days ago had no nursing home numbers.

The UK system held up as a rolled gold system......US bashed mercilessly.

The US isn't perfect and they deserve criticism on a range of issues, but in most areas they are ahead of us.

But here in the not so great state of Victoria, the police feel its right to leak photo's of arrested people and get them on the broadsheets/social media.

While at the same time demand we download an app and that they trust us.

Anyway my original point on more Americans having a healthy scepticism of their government was my point.

Australians should be outraged that Dean Laidley's arrest photo's has been leaked.

Yet again the most politicised police force in Australia does the wrong thing and its very unlikely to be any repercussions because the populace just accepts it these days.

To quote Manuel



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[russellw]

Originally Posted by EgoFG

I think it would be Interesting to compare Pennsylvania and Florida.
Similar Population Density, Similar Population, Florida with a much greater % of 'at risk' people.
Pennsylvania, still Shelter in Place perhaps relaxing next week.
Florida only ever required the high risk to be sheltered, and focused its testing on them - The state was largely free.

I can answer that one although the population base is actually quite different at 12.8M (Penn) v 21.9M (Florida).

Florida has ~36,000 cases while Pennsylvania has 52,000 and the latter has had 1,500 more deaths. Despite Florida having more high risk people, the CMR is actually lower than Penn at 3.82% compared to 5.43%.

Because of the disparate populations only the number per 100k figures actually matter. Penn has 405 cases / 100k compared to Florida with 164 and Penn also has 22 deaths per 100k compared to Florida with 6.27.

Originally Posted by guzzis3

How is Sweden's death rate trending ?

It had been trending down as per the earlier graphs but they don't report as much data on weekends so it will be worth a look today.

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Brazil's president said this is "just a little flu" early into the pandemic, and has continued to play down the severity of the virus. He sacked his federal police chief, and his health minister for supporting isolation as a tool to contain the spread of the virus. As a result, the justice and security minister, has also resigned.

How is this "little flue" going in Brazil russelw? TIA.

I'll have a look at that one shortly but I don't think they have been doing very well although it has trended downward the last few days.

[Romulus]

CDC reporting 38,576 COVID-19 deaths in the US as of 4/5/2020

[russellw]

Australia had 27 new cases yesterday (24 in my data); 22 of those in Victoria and 1 in the declared 'free' ACT. With no deaths, the CMR drops to 1.392% while active cases are down to 12.8%. This is also the 4th consecutive day that the case numbers have actually increased so it is not the time for complacency.

NZ had no new cases and no deaths so the CMR is unchanged while active cases are down to 13.7%.

The UK was under 4k new cases and under 300 deaths so the CMR improves to 15.077% but they also reworked all the active case numbers since March 1st as a result of which the percentage is now at 82.4%.

The USA was under 30k new cases again with under 1,400 deaths so the CMR improved to 5.743% and active cases are down to 77.6%.

[CoupeKing]

This:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0556179/



Episode from 2003:

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Romulus

CDC reporting 38,576 COVID-19 deaths in the US as of 4/5/2020

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So why is World meter AND Trump saying 67,000?

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

So why is World meter AND Trump saying 67,000?

Good question. And this data is from a 'legitimate' source, US CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Have you read the fine print under the graph? Why are presumed Corona deaths being included in official death numbers?