Toyota means a greater deal to Australia for vehicle exports

Falcon Freak · 22-05-2006, 07:44 PM

vztrt · 23-05-2006, 04:20 PM

Toyota dont sell many medium/Large (what ever category they got it in now) in Oz but they do well with exports.
At least it's secure Aussie jobs, I think they got more Aussie content than the Commo as well.

Falcon Freak · 23-05-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Toyota dont sell many medium/Large (what ever category they got it in now) in Oz but they do well with exports.
At least it's secure Aussie jobs, I think they got more Aussie content than the Commo as well.

That is why I said Toyota means more to Australia....

FF

zeta1 · 23-05-2006, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

That is why I said Toyota means more to Australia....

FF

A Camry? Sure, they are built at Altona, and use Australian suppliers, but are a complete Japanese design. The new VE for example, save for the powertrains, is a ground up Australian design. I think Holden employ far more Australian engineers and design staff than Toyota do, and export a hell of a lot of engines to all over the world. Sure, Toyota may export more cars than Holden does, but Holden sells far more locally produced cars in Australia than Toyota does. And Holden's export numbers to the Middle East, South Africa, South America, USA and New Zealand are not insignificant. How many cars has Ford Australia exported this year????

Sorry, I think Holden means more to Australia. A whole lot more.

geoffa1 · 23-05-2006, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by zeta1

A Camry? Sure, they are built at Altona, and use Australian suppliers, but are a complete Japanese design. The new VE for example, save for the powertrains, is a ground up Australian design. I think Holden employ far more Australian engineers and design staff than Toyota do, and export a hell of a lot of engines to all over the world. Sure, Toyota may export more cars than Holden does, but Holden sells far more locally produced cars in Australia than Toyota does. And Holden's export numbers to the Middle East, South Africa, South America, USA and New Zealand are not insignificant. How many cars has Ford Australia exported this year????

Sorry, I think Holden means more to Australia. A whole lot more.

The fact is that Ford sells more locally procuced vehicles in Australia with more local content than Holden or Toyota. Toyota's percentage of local content is definately more than Holdens with the new models, but with bugger all local design input. I tend to think that more local content is worth more to the economy than more engineering input, but that is opinion.
If Ford manage to export left hand drive Falcons and Territorys, that will be worth a lot more than Holdens and Toyotas efforts put together ( are you listening Henry?)

stevz · 23-05-2006, 10:33 PM

Very well said zeta1, totally agree.

UNR8D · 23-05-2006, 11:54 PM

camry and kluger is made/built 100% in aust, jap and seppo by design for both thou.

the new aurion which will also have middle east exports is designed by an aussie and is completely made/built using australian labour/parts, including paint etc next gen camry is also got more aussie input than the current shape and next gen Corolla may be making it back to aussie shores for production as they did in the mid 90's.

Toyota now have 22% market share smashing both holden and ford respectfully overall and have been a huge driving force in expanding and hireing of australian labour/facilities while the others are winding down.....

vztrt · 24-05-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by zeta1

A Camry? Sure, they are built at Altona, and use Australian suppliers, but are a complete Japanese design. The new VE for example, save for the powertrains, is a ground up Australian design. I think Holden employ far more Australian engineers and design staff than Toyota do, and export a hell of a lot of engines to all over the world. Sure, Toyota may export more cars than Holden does, but Holden sells far more locally produced cars in Australia than Toyota does. And Holden's export numbers to the Middle East, South Africa, South America, USA and New Zealand are not insignificant. How many cars has Ford Australia exported this year????

Sorry, I think Holden means more to Australia. A whole lot more.

The Zeta project wasn't exclusively designed in Australia. There was Australian input in the car but at the end of the day the Falcon is more Aussie than the Commo is.

Ford exported close to 11,000 cars overseas which is pretty good seeing as the they're not LWD/RWD cars like the commodore is.

But Ford Australia do design cars for overseas markets, the IKON for the Indian market and i think the festiva for the Chinese market. Also they now have the light utility vehicle that is going to about 40 countries.

The unfortunate thing is both Holden and Ford will have less Aussie content when the VE and Orion arrive.

Paxton · 24-05-2006, 04:54 PM

The Klugger ain't made in Australia - they are fully imported from Japan, however Toyota said that when the Klugger makes a certain sales target (which was for 2008), they would make them in Australia. Toyota should bring the Corolla back, as they are selling more of them than anything else.

The Camry is an embarrassment. Have you ever driven one of the new models, and felt for the Handbrake where it is in your Falcon? I have, and then I discovered it was still in place for a LHD car, yet Toyota told Australia that the (then) new Camry was 100% Australian, and that NO foreign panels would fit on the Australian chassis.

Atleast my Falcon is 100% (or thereabouts) Australian, and only sold here and NZ, as it keeps the quality higher, and they are only engineering for one driving side of the car.

Dave_au · 24-05-2006, 05:46 PM

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Atleast my Falcon is 100% (or thereabouts) Australian, and only sold here and NZ, as it keeps the quality higher, and they are only engineering for one driving side of the car.

That is flawed logic. If the Falcon had an export program then it would have more funding available to the project for research and development.

vztrt · 24-05-2006, 05:58 PM

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That is flawed logic. If the Falcon had an export program then it would have more funding available to the project for research and development.

Which is where the 40million dollars from the government will be going to create the Falcon and Territory to be LHD as well as RHD.

Full Spectrum · 24-05-2006, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

The Zeta project wasn't exclusively designed in Australia. There was Australian input in the car but at the end of the day the Falcon is more Aussie than the Commo is.

Ford exported close to 11,000 cars overseas which is pretty good seeing as the they're not LWD/RWD cars like the commodore is.

But Ford Australia do design cars for overseas markets, the IKON for the Indian market and i think the festiva for the Chinese market. Also they now have the light utility vehicle that is going to about 40 countries.

The unfortunate thing is both Holden and Ford will have less Aussie content when the VE and Orion arrive.

You got to understand the VE isn't zeta it's just a name that GM made for it's global platform. By the time GM came knocking on holden door for a RWD platform holden had been well into the next one, that being the VE.
It's just a name zeta it's nothing really it's GM's name thats it. Holden don't see it as zeta but GM needs it's own RWD platform overseas and it's called zeta. Designed tested and made all by holden here.

UNR8D · 24-05-2006, 06:57 PM

sorry my appologies i checked that today you are correct camry and avalon were made 100% in aust, the new camry dosent share any thing inside with the over seas camry have a closer look, suspention is even completely different... the new aurion will be 100% designed and built in aust and ditto bar the design for new camry, next gen kluger and a possibility of corolla is on the cards.

vztrt · 24-05-2006, 07:18 PM

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You got to understand the VE isn't zeta it's just a name that GM made for it's global platform. By the time GM came knocking on holden door for a RWD platform holden had been well into the next one, that being the VE.
It's just a name zeta it's nothing really it's GM's name thats it. Holden don't see it as zeta but GM needs it's own RWD platform overseas and it's called zeta. Designed tested and made all by holden here.

Zeta is the platform thats the engine and drive line of the car, so whoever use it can change the look of the car and style it how they want. Ford did this when they designed the territory.
At the end of the day alot of the design is still getting done in the states, like the VT platform before it.

I personally lost alot of respect for Holden (mind you if they have a better setup than a Ford I will still buy one), the one eyed Holden guys keep going on about the I6 being ancient but at least it's still getting redesigned here and is IMHO the better engine.

Full Spectrum · 24-05-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Zeta is the platform thats the engine and drive line of the car, so whoever use it can change the look of the car and style it how they want. Ford did this when they designed the territory.
At the end of the day alot of the design is still getting done in the states, like the VT platform before it.

I personally lost alot of respect for Holden (mind you if they have a better setup than a Ford I will still buy one), the one eyed Holden guys keep going on about the I6 being ancient but at least it's still getting redesigned here and is IMHO the better engine.

The better engine is still down to personal taste, As has been said many times by Ford owners the V6 in the Holden isn't many things it's called.
But you know holden did a massive part of the designing and testing with GM and 3 other country's, The TTV6 was there own little puppy they had a play in house with it.

But i think holden gets no respect with what they can and have done with cars. They had 2 engines cleaned sheet they were a V6 and V8 of there own, Only the V8 was built and they at the time reported it as brilliant and very quite running, This is late 80's Holden building there own OHC V8 with no help from GM, Cause when they found out it was curtains for the engine. The V6 never got going it wasn't as far advanced as the V8 which was done.
And with the Torana concept having full access to GMs parts bin just showed what they could do, And in the end they built new architecture building it, Will it ever be used?.

But on the VT i herd when it was almost ready they sent it to tom walkinshaw to have him stick his wand over the car for some extra style, Sounds very strange to me.

But with the VT if Buick did use it i think the VE would have been here already.

Right now GM has found Holden and they wont the world from them, And i don't like the guy who runs them now he is a dirty cheat and i dont trust him he is a GM licker Mooney.

zeta1 · 24-05-2006, 09:56 PM

To vztrt, the Zeta project is Australian designed. GM set up the Global rear wheel drive 'homeroom' in Australia. The zeta architecture on which VE sits was designed by Holden in Australia. Admittedly, there is US input, but it was designed here, using Australian designers and engineers.

And to UNR8D, lets get something straight about the Toyota Aurion. This is a V6 Camry with a different front and rear end. The architecture is all new Camry, and the glass house is also carry over Camry. Sure, the front and rear end were designed by Toyota locally, but it has nowhere near the Australian design input as the VE. And as for the the Aurion suspension, it would have unique local settings, but it is no clean sheet design. It would be based on the US built Camry.

stevz · 24-05-2006, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by zeta1

To vztrt, the Zeta project is Australian designed. GM set up the Global rear wheel drive 'homeroom' in Australia. The zeta architecture on which VE sits was designed by Holden in Australia. Admittedly, there is US input, but it was designed here, using Australian designers and engineers.

And to UNR8D, lets get something straight about the Toyota Aurion. This is a V6 Camry with a different front and rear end. The architecture is all new Camry, and the glass house is also carry over Camry. Sure, the front and rear end were designed by Toyota locally, but it has nowhere near the Australian design input as the VE. And as for the the Aurion suspension, it would have unique local settings, but it is no clean sheet design. It would be based on the US built Camry.

Absolutely spot on.

geoffa1 · 24-05-2006, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by UNR8D

sorry my appologies i checked that today you are correct camry and avalon were made 100% in aust, the new camry dosent share any thing inside with the over seas camry have a closer look, suspention is even completely different... the new aurion will be 100% designed and built in aust and ditto bar the design for new camry, next gen kluger and a possibility of corolla is on the cards.

Sorry UNR8D, I've seen drawings for Aurion components, and they are Japanese drawings, specifying Japanese raw materials, and local materials, which comply with the requirements of the specifications, are not being accepted. So even if the components are made here (for the front and rear ends), the materials they are made from aren't.