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23-01-2011, 06:08 PM | #2 | ||
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Why don't they just do away with GST on Australian Manufactured Vehicles. This would bring the current advertised price of the 2010 Plated XR6 50 from $36,950 down to $33590 and have the first 12months Rego and CTP allow a tax depreciation of 10% on new cars manufactured in Australia for the first 3 years of ownership. I bet that would get the cars moving.
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Govt has just announced the axing of the Green Car Innovation Fund as part of the spending cuts going towards rebuilding QLD.
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27-01-2011, 03:45 PM | #5 | |||
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How does that work. If a business buys it with it no GST or gets it GST exempt or there is no GST or they pay GST and then get a tax credit, it all works out to be exactly the same price for the business. The reason why they couldnt treat an australian made car any differently to an imported car with the GST is due to WTO rules. |
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27-01-2011, 03:49 PM | #6 | ||
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Instead of funding to save th local industry,
Let's just go back to 25% Import tariffs on cars not built in this country, that would certainly give plenty of money to feed Ford, Holden and Toyota. This whole level playing field idea is only hurting local manufacturers and it's just so the skin flints can buy cheap and cheerful Korean and Thai built cars. The government has sold the Aussie car industry down the river and they know it because those supposedly cheaper cars are now taking lots of jobs and income out of this country. |
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27-01-2011, 04:07 PM | #7 | |||
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If the government put a 25% tariff on all imported cars tomorrow, your Mazda, Honda, Mitsy, Hyundai & kia will all become 25% dearer. But guess what, so will your Falcon, Commodore and your Aurion. All it will mean is that the local manufacturers may next year break even on their local manufacuring. But if Your new Falcon Buyer is going to pay 25% more for his Falcon, then maybe he will just buy a new Falcon every 4 years instead of his usual 3 years. Or he may still buy one every 3 years, but with less money to spend, he may no be able to buy things from other businesses, which may buy a Falcon Ute etc. The government has given the car industry billions of dollars over the years, and it has squandered that money (most probably repatriated back to head offices overseas). For the sake of protecting 30 to 40 thousand jobs, it has wasted 13 million hard working tax payers money for no benefit what so ever. |
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27-01-2011, 04:52 PM | #8 | |||
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Most of those 30 to 40 thousand jobs are in parts supply network, not motor companies, I think you'll find that most of the money given to Ford, Holden and Toyota was spent on engineering design, local parts and equipment suppliers and not siphoned back to head office. |
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27-01-2011, 06:10 PM | #9 | |||
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I do believe ours is one of the smallest tarriffs in relation automobiles. |
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Well lets start with one of the biggest auto markets in the the world, the USA Quote:
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The only reason we started doing it this way was so we could lower tarrifs so people could buy their imported cars. .... Maybe we should do what Korea does. No import tax but an 'education fund' is added to the cost of the car.
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27-01-2011, 07:54 PM | #12 | |||
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I wouldn't really rate free trade agreements with mexico or canada as anything to get excited about, Due to the promximity of these countries. Who could Australia have a free trade agreement with in terms of exporting cars? Last edited by g220ba; 27-01-2011 at 08:01 PM. |
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27-01-2011, 09:31 PM | #13 | |||
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"...and tariffs in many major sectors, such as autos and auto parts, software, computers, and industrial machinery are zero." http://www.globaltrade.net/internati...t-Tariffs.html I am against high tariffs for the auto industry. It is up to the organisation to be able to adapt to the market and survive, not on handouts. The locals should be able to build to the market. If the product is that good it should be able to sell locally and offshore. Consumers/tax payers should not be punished financially for shopping around for a better deal/product. We do not all need a large 4 door sedan, so what then? We have to pay extra for a car we do want because the locals can't adapt? Sorry no dice. I do encourage incentives by the government to local manufacturers for innovation. Hopefully it would improve the product.
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It's a slippery slope we're on at the moment with costs rising everyday for everyone and while debate on such issues is always a good thing i just hope that in the future i'll still be able to see that Made in Australia logo. |
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27-01-2011, 10:58 PM | #15 | ||
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You are right, there is no import duty on vehicles in Japan. They have a foreign investment tax for the dealer selling imported vehicles, naturally increasing the price of imported vehicles. Much the same as if a non Japanese wants ot buy property, different purchasing laws apply.
This is why many foreign vehicles in Japan are classified as luxury or prestige vehicles. A friend who's wife is Japanes explained that the price for a Falcon as an example would be the same price plus freight to the dock, but once the dealer delivered it to the client the charge was added which at the time she lived in Japan was about 40% add on. May have changed now, as this was about 5 years ago. |
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There are still non-tariff barriers to entry. The Thailand tax on cars over a certain size is a huge one - levvied immediately after they signed an FTA with Australia and significantly reduced their import tariffs.
Announced on the radio this morning, though, was that the GCIF would now be dropped in favour of funding the Qld Flood rebuild. Can we now say goodbye to the automative industrial sector in Australia? Lukeyson
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Bloody hell thats no good at all... |
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28-01-2011, 08:05 AM | #18 | |||
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Ha, you forgot to mention the 25% tariff on imported trucks, vans, pickups and SUVs - the biggest selling cars in the US! Pretty amazing that little Australia has lower tariffs than the bastion of the free-trade economics... |
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Australia has a huge trade surplus thanks to our coal, iron ore, aluminium and gas exports.
So I guess in that perspective worrying about how many car are imported is low on the list. |
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I dont know what you mean by this sentence. When the australian car industry started, I doubt there would have been any protection tariffs on imported cars (apart from tax raising issues), as one wouldnt impose a "protection" tariff if there was no industry to protect. The reasons why Americans set up manufacturing in australia, is simply on the basis that in the 1920's, 30's there were no large ship carriers to bring cars here in the thousands. The reason they stayed was because they were protected by very high tariffs and low import quotas throughout the 60's, 70's and 80's. Quote:
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28-01-2011, 04:42 PM | #22 | ||
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well, i couldn't find any figures to support my statement, but found something that supports removal of tarriffs.
"From 1965 specification of minimum levels of local content, import quotas and considerable tariffs on imported vehicles were used to ensure Australian vehicle manufacturers were protected to a large degree from external competition. High levels of protection proved ineffective in promoting the competitiveness of the industry. The domestic market was small in international terms, with short production runs and lack of scale economies. Consequently, production costs of domestically produced parts were high in comparison with their imported counterparts. Higher levels of Australian content in vehicles resulted in them being less competitive against imports. By the early-1980s it was recognised that protectionist policies were counter-productive to the industry and they were phased out in recognition of the increasing importance of producers attaining competitiveness from a global perspective. Tariffs, which peaked at 57% in 1984 are now down to 5% in 2010" http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@....005&num=&view=
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28-01-2011, 04:55 PM | #23 | ||
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I guess the prospect of the next Falcon being imported has just moved up a few notches!
Canberra takes $926 million chunk out of car industry http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2578260018E484 Auto industry slams dumping of green car fund as a blow to local investment 28 January 2011 By RON HAMMERTON THE Australian automotive industry will take a $926 million hit due to federal government funding cuts to pay for flood recovery. The industry is furious about the junking of the Green Car Innovation Fund, with Canberra siphoning off $429 million that had been earmarked to support development programs for Australian-built cars and automotive components on a one dollar for three dollars basis. The industry has urged the government to re-think the cuts, which it says might jeopardise projects already in the pipeline and drive them offshore to countries ready and willing to subsidise the cost to gain the business. Also scrapped is the so-called cash-for-clunkers scheme – officially called the Cleaner Car Rebate Scheme – which was to offer $2000 grants to coax drivers into trading in old, inefficient cars for new, greener vehicles. As well, the government will cap the number of grants for cars converted to LPG to 25,000 claims a year, slicing $96 million from the scheme over three years. The decision to axe the Green Car Innovation Fund comes just four days after federal industry minister Senator Kim Carr announced the latest grant from the fund, $3.5 million to help Melbourne-based Alternative Fuel Innovations develop an advanced new liquid LPG injection system for the local industry and export markets. The government had already reduced the amount of money available in the scheme by $200 million in the run up to last year’s federal election, saying it had attracted fewer applications than originally expected. Describing the decision as “bitterly disappointing and one to be regretted”, Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries chief executive Andrew McKellar told GoAuto the scrapping of the scheme sent a worrying signal to multinational companies looking to invest in Australia. “Up until now, there has been a lot of work done to highlight to those companies the strength of the policy arrangements here in Australia,” he said. “We went through a comprehensive review process in 2008 – submissions were received and all the stakeholders were consulted and the government put in place a plan for the next 10 years and beyond. And there was considerable certainty there. “When you get a decision like this, which comes less than three years after that review, it unfortunately pulls the rug out from the certainty. “Then it is much harder for anyone to convince those international investors that they have that certainty here in Australia.” Mr McKellar said the timing of the cuts was doubly bad because many companies that had been knocked down by the global financial crisis were finally in a financial position to invest in major programs for future products. “In the immediate aftermath of the GFC, there was great difficulty in getting global corporations to commit to new investment projects,” he said. “In the past 12 months or so, what we have seen is some new ideas coming into the pipeline and I am sure there are more on the way. “It is all the more reason why a decision such as this is disappointing, because it absolutely crucial that we do encourage new investment proposals to come forward and the new opportunities for low emissions technologies to be taken up in the Australian manufacturing context. “That is where the car plan arrangements are so important and why a program like the Green Car Innovation Fund was capable of delivering such benefits to the Australian industry.” All three Australian car-makers – Holden, Ford and Toyota – have been on the receiving end of the scheme that kicked off at the height of the GFC in 2009 with a total budget of $1.3 billion as part of the over-arching $6.2 billion New Car Plan for a Green Future. GM Holden received $150 million towards local production of the four-cylinder Cruze that has just begun at its Elizabeth plant in South Australia in readiness for launch in a few weeks. Ford Australia got $42 million towards the cost of engineering its new-generation EcoBoost four-cylinder engine into its Falcon – a model that is set to arrive in showrooms later this year. Toyota Australia was given $63 million towards its $300 million program to retool its Altona engine plant in Victoria for a new four-cylinder 2.5-litre engine for its 2011 Camry and Camry Hybrid. The Toyota and Holden projects are highly unlikely to have gone ahead without the government handouts, with Toyota’s Thailand plant all set to take over engine production. Grants were handed down at a rate of one dollar for every three dollars put up by the company, with component suppliers also eligible. Mr McKellar said he had been told by the government that all agreements in which a contract had been signed would be honoured. “Beyond that, precisely where the cut-off point will be, I think the government will need to clarify,” he said. “I would hope it would not be an abrupt cut-off and that there would be some allowance for some proposals that are very well advanced. “I think that is important and I think that is what we will see in how this decision is implemented.” Less problematic for the industry is the decision to chop the cash-for-clunkers scheme that would have rewarded drivers of pre-1995 bombs by encouraging them to trade them in on new fuel-efficient vehicles. Modelled on similar schemes in Europe and elsewhere to trigger demand after the GFC, the Australian scheme was already starting to show cracks as the need for it faded with the local car industry back to near-record sales levels. In December, the starting date was delayed six months from January 1 this year until July 1 so Senator Carr could sort apparent problems with it. Car companies thought the money would be more worthwhile in a European-style green-car subsidy scheme, to help promote the rollout in Australia of electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids. The Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association (AAAA) described the clunkers scheme as “an environmental lemon”, saying it would be open to rorting. Today, the AAAA executive director Stuart Charity applauded the decision to abandon the scheme, saying it had no redeeming features. “It would have paid millions of Australian taxpayer dollars to overseas car-makers, it was open to rorting, and it totally ignored other less costly and more effective solutions," he said. The LPG industry, however, is reeling after the decision to cap the number of subsidies it will give to people wanting to convert their car to LPG or buy a factory-converted new car with LPG fuel system. The latest hit follows other decisions by the government to reduce the subsidy for cars fitted with LPG systems from $2000 to $1000 by July next year, and to introduce a fuel excise on LPG from July 1 this year, ramping up from 2.5 cents a litre to 12.5 cents over the next five years. |
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We actually are back to a trade deficit. http://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/fs/aust.pdf During the gfc we had a nice trade surplus going.
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Support for the car industry was the one and only thing that I admired about the Rudd/Gillard governments and now they've fvcked that up.
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I dont think the axing of these funds is going to have a dramatic affect on the projects currently put in place. That money has already been spent.
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Can you show me then. The only time I saw Oz in a trade surplus recently was during the GFC.
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http://minister.innovation.gov.au/Ca...CONTINUES.aspx
Media Release Senator the Hon Kim Carr 31 Jan 2011 NEW CAR PLAN FOR A GREENER FUTURE – THE JOURNEY CONTINUES The Government faced urgent challenges in the wake of the floods that have devastated large parts of eastern Australia. Reductions in spending and other sacrifices had to be made to help the nation fund the recovery. As part of the response, the Government has closed applications to the Green Car Innovation Fund. All contractual commitments and grant offers made by the Government through the Fund will be honoured; and applications received as at 27 January will be processed. “The Government’s commitment to Australia’s automotive industry is strong and we recognise that manufacturing is a vital part of a strong and diverse economy,” Innovation Minister Senator Kim Carr said. This is a message Senator Carr will be taking directly to global CEOs when he visits company headquarters later in the year. “The Green Car Innovation Fund is only one component of the New Car Plan for a Greener Future,” Senator Carr said. “The Fund itself represents an additional commitment of up to $500 million to our manufacturing sector which will leverage approximately $2 billion in total investment. The Australian Government’s partnership with the sector will be maintained. This partnership sustained investment at a time of global retreat. Thanks to the Green Car Innovation Fund our automotive sector will be more environmentally sustainable. “The New Car Plan is introducing new technologies in Australia at a very rapid rate from hybrid engines, electric vehicles, new fuel systems, batteries and light-weighting. The Plan is instrumental in enabling the Australian automotive industry to emerge from the global economic crisis in better shape than many of its international counterparts. “The Plan is strengthening the automotive supply chain by underpinning investment, building capability and expanding markets internationally. The industry is providing a critical mass of design, engineering and manufacturing skills fundamental to a diverse and resilient Australian economy. The industry is producing higher-quality vehicles with high-skilled, high-wage jobs for Australians. “The centrepiece of this plan is the Automotive Transformation Scheme, which will provide support worth $3.4 billion up to 2020. “This continued commitment to the Plan and the range of other industry schemes administered by my Department show that we remain committed to ensuring Australian automotive manufacturers produce Australian made vehicles that are easier on the pocket and the environment.” ^^ So if a company wants to produce enviro/fuel efficient cars/technology, can they now apply to do this through the ATS? |
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