LSD Vs Spool.

[Mont5.0]

Gday all.
Looking for traction as my single legger 3.23 fairmont diff is woefull!
Obviously LSD is the best for drivability- as my car is my daily driver, but a little too $$$$$. I can get a Mini spool and 3.7's fitted for around $700.00 (mates rates).

What are peoples thought on this? Am i better to outlay the extra coin and get a complete LSD centre and buy 3.7 gears, or go the gears and spool?

Also will a LSD centre out of an EF/EL fit a solid axle AU diff?

[Sox]

LSD is the only option for road use.

Aside from being illegal, a locker is pretty difficult to drive on wet roads, dangerous in the wrong hands.
In the dry they are very hard on axles, tyres, suspension parts, etc.

A good LSD has all the advantages of a locker, without the disadvantages.

[Mont5.0]

Any idea on the centre, are they interchangable with EF/EL?

[Sox]

Yes they are interchangable.

[Mont5.0]

excelent thanks mate

[FreddyDUZ747]

spool=equal drive,consistancy,less wear and less maintanence.
ive had a few lsds(new)and the only thing that turns me off is the clutch wear and inconsistant drive.a spool can be a pain,but with good tread on tyres theres minimal skip or noise.if you let you tyres run low thats when they tend to screech a bit.if you get a locker your driving style only has to change a fraction.take that corner,roundabout a little slower,u turn a lttle wider or faster(in dry).a spool should not be confused with the harshness off a welded diff especially in a modern car.

[SLO AU XR8]

Spools cause more maintenance when you twist and snap axles, for consistency and legality, a Mechanical locker like the 4wd System's Lokka would be best IMHO

[FreddyDUZ747]

Originally Posted by SLO AU XR8

Spools cause more maintenance when you twist and snap axles, for consistency and legality, a Mechanical locker like the 4wd System's Lokka would be best IMHO

brilliant idea,cheap detroit lokka.

[The Monty]

Its not s Detroit Locker, its a 4wd systems LOKKA, the brand is LOKKA. They are open unless accelerating or decelerating, so dont chew tyres like a locker, or welded diff, plus they are legal.

[Cam]

+1 for a LOKKA, if they are sprung (i think is the term?) correctly they are great, would happily put one in my AU

[FreddyDUZ747]

Originally Posted by The Monty

Its not s Detroit Locker, its a 4wd systems LOKKA, the brand is LOKKA. They are open unless accelerating or decelerating, so dont chew tyres like a locker, or welded diff, plus they are legal.

yeah thats what a true detroit does,how is a 4WD lokkasystem any different apart from the choice of parts inside the housing.detroit lokkas came out in phase 111s so they are legal as well.i was just referring the 4WD lokka as a cheap detroit lokka.just put the spool in and dont worry be happy :1syellow1

[The Monty]

Yeah, go the spool, get booked for it, crash and then when insurance wont cover you, come here and complain.

[Sox]

Originally Posted by gilmore

spool=equal drive,consistancy,less wear and less maintanence.
ive had a few lsds(new)and the only thing that turns me off is the clutch wear and inconsistant drive.a spool can be a pain,but with good tread on tyres theres minimal skip or noise.if you let you tyres run low thats when they tend to screech a bit.if you get a locker your driving style only has to change a fraction.take that corner,roundabout a little slower,u turn a lttle wider or faster(in dry).a spool should not be confused with the harshness off a welded diff especially in a modern car.

How is a spool any different to a welded diff in how it drives?
The end result is the same thing.

[Sox]

Originally Posted by gilmore

yeah thats what a true detroit does,how is a 4WD lokkasystem any different apart from the choice of parts inside the housing.detroit lokkas came out in phase 111s so they are legal as well.i was just referring the 4WD lokka as a cheap detroit lokka.just put the spool in and dont worry be happy :1syellow1

Detroit lockers are only locked when accelerating, not de-accelerating.

[The Monty]

U - turn wider and faster, awesome. I might get me a spool, lol.

[Sox]

Originally Posted by The Monty

U - turn wider and faster, awesome. I might get me a spool, lol.

_ The logic is astounding eh.......

[Green X]

A 4WD system Lokka, fit's inside you Std Open carrier and replaces the spider and side gears and is less expensive than a Detroit locker

A Detroit> Is a complete carrier/Locker in one and is basically bullet proof but they are not cheep around $1000 for the carrier/locker assembly, I have one in my Hilux and they are grate!

IMO a Detroit or Lokka Style diff on a street driven car is overkill, Go a conventional LSD or one better would be a Detroit Tru Trac LSD, it's a gear driven LSD and will never wear out like a clutch LSD will.

If Cash is tight i would get a 4WD systems unit over a spool! Spools can be dangerous especially on wet greasy roads.

[Hardtopxb]

Originally Posted by gilmore

yeah thats what a true detroit does,how is a 4WD lokkasystem any different apart from the choice of parts inside the housing.detroit lokkas came out in phase 111s so they are legal as well.i was just referring the 4WD lokka as a cheap detroit lokka.just put the spool in and dont worry be happy :1syellow1

Phase 1. 1 1/2 .2. and 3 HOs all came with Detriot lockers..They require a bit of care going around sharp corners(skipping)and need to be driven tenderly in the wet...

[BlacklistedXR]

LSDs are probably the best to drive with but the standard ones require high maintenance when giving them a hard time and tend to single spin. You can get them shimmed or tightened which helps alot IMO and you wont have to worry about spinning one wheel for a while. I have a Kaaz 2 Way LSD which is pretty expensive but definetly worth the money as I have never driven a car which drives so smoothly and has so much grip to offer.
The reason i went the Kaaz is because i used to own a 4wd systems lokka. The lokka behind my car was terrible. I have heard good comments about them behind an auto but behind my manual it was the worst driving experience ever. Every time i took a corner there would be big vibrations going through the driveline with loud clunkings coming from the diff. Sometimes through small turns the diff would make a huge BANG, i had someone in the backseat when it happened and lets just say he was a bit nervous after he experienced that. I went through 2 gearboxes and had 3 experts drive the car (a diff specialist, a mechanic and a representive from BTR) all pointed there finger at the diff. I would never buy one again and will never recommend one based on my experience.
IMHO and from my experience i would save the coin and get a second hand LSD centre, get a diff specialist to tighten it and you wont have to worry about it letting go for a while.

[FreddyDUZ747]

i think we should leave all the answers to the keyboard warriors(sox,monty),even though both have probably never experienced anything to do with lokkas.this is a forum for opinions and such yeah albiet deemed wrong by some?the thread was lsd vs spool not try pay someone out who is speaking from FIRST hand experience about the thread lsd vs lokka.these guys should be given the same warnings as the people who chat in sales yard,no talking off topic(drastically)as how is this helping the guy with his question.i get off on helping someone not putting them down.truth hurts?

[The Monty]

Rep Power:
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I think that speaks for itself.

[FreddyDUZ747]

thats purely a toss factor mate.doesnt help yous in real life does it or make you understand cars more?my rep power exists only on the strip where it counts boy.bias?

[Sox]

Originally Posted by gilmore

thats purely a toss factor mate.doesnt help yous in real life does it or make you understand cars more?my rep power exists only on the strip where it counts boy.bias?

Listen mate, I'm not even remotely interested in getting into some kind of pulling hair match with you, but you need to have another read of the OP.

He clearly stated it's a daily driver, and then went on to ask what is a better choice for his car. We gave him our opinion based on that.

You clearly gave him your opinion based on what you have in your 'strip' mind.
If you do all your talking on the strip, that's fine, but what works best on the strip (and for you), does not work best on the road and for others.

Locked diffs are illegal on the road for a pretty decent reason IMO.
The road and race track are very different places.

Stop being a tool, and post something to actually defend your reasoning, rather than the virile which you posted above.

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by gilmore

i think we should leave all the answers to the keyboard warriors(sox,monty),even though both have probably never experienced anything to do with lokkas.this is a forum for opinions and such yeah albiet deemed wrong by some?the thread was lsd vs spool not try pay someone out who is speaking from FIRST hand experience about the thread lsd vs lokka.these guys should be given the same warnings as the people who chat in sales yard,no talking off topic(drastically)as how is this helping the guy with his question.i get off on helping someone not putting them down.truth hurts?

The off topic you mention consists of experienced members trying to steer someone down the right path.

The on topic posted by yourself is actually advocating an inexperienced person modifying their car in a manner not only dangerous but against the law.
You then flame these blokes for doing what is essentially right calling them keyboard warriors, i think we know who is whom in this discussion.

As for the question in hand, i would go the LSD unless the budget will stretch to an Detroit locker, True Trac, or the aforementioned 4WD Systems - LOKKA.

[StealthAu]

Originally Posted by gilmore

i think we should leave all the answers to the keyboard warriors(sox,monty),even though both have probably never experienced anything to do with lokkas.this is a forum for opinions and such yeah albiet deemed wrong by some?the thread was lsd vs spool not try pay someone out who is speaking from FIRST hand experience about the thread lsd vs lokka.these guys should be given the same warnings as the people who chat in sales yard,no talking off topic(drastically)as how is this helping the guy with his question.i get off on helping someone not putting them down.truth hurts?

You have a go of them for commenting on something they might not have experience in,

Originally Posted by gilmore

a spool should not be confused with the harshness off a welded diff especially in a modern car.

This is not the words of someone with experience, I have had cars with spools and cars with welded diffs, the only difference being cost (if you know how to weld). But I do agree with you, lsd's can be inconsistent and unpredictable, but cars with spooled/welded diffs aren't a joy when trying to park to attempting a 3 point turn. Out of the options, if lack of traction isn't a big issue I'd stick with a single spiner and decent tyres of course, otherwise for street use lsd's and don't drive like a tool, non street driven car, spooled only because my welder was stolen a year ago :

[SLO AU XR8]

Originally Posted by BlacklistedXR

LSDs are probably the best to drive with but the standard ones require high maintenance when giving them a hard time and tend to single spin. You can get them shimmed or tightened which helps alot IMO and you wont have to worry about spinning one wheel for a while. I have a Kaaz 2 Way LSD which is pretty expensive but definetly worth the money as I have never driven a car which drives so smoothly and has so much grip to offer.
The reason i went the Kaaz is because i used to own a 4wd systems lokka. The lokka behind my car was terrible. I have heard good comments about them behind an auto but behind my manual it was the worst driving experience ever. Every time i took a corner there would be big vibrations going through the driveline with loud clunkings coming from the diff. Sometimes through small turns the diff would make a huge BANG, i had someone in the backseat when it happened and lets just say he was a bit nervous after he experienced that. I went through 2 gearboxes and had 3 experts drive the car (a diff specialist, a mechanic and a representive from BTR) all pointed there finger at the diff. I would never buy one again and will never recommend one based on my experience.
IMHO and from my experience i would save the coin and get a second hand LSD centre, get a diff specialist to tighten it and you wont have to worry about it letting go for a while.

There are a few tricks to driving a Lokka in a manual street car, instead of dipping the clutch to roll around a low speed corner, in to neutral, it stops the clunking and banging. My lokka has been fitted for 5 months, and knowing how to drive with it has meant it is as smooth as an open centre.

[4Vman]

A spool in a daily street driven vehicle is just plain stupid. Its asking for trouble in every aspect.

[Mont5.0]

thats for all your point of views. It is street driven, it is raced. I will have to work out a happy medium.

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by Mont5.0

thats for all your point of views. It is street driven, it is raced. I will have to work out a happy medium.

<---The car in my avatar is also street driven and raced, it has an LSD.

[Mont5.0]

I have had LSD's before. I have also broken LSD's before. Will do some more research into diffrent options.cheers.