You Don't own MY Reality

[Crazy Dazz]

In the world in general, and even in this forum, I am getting sick and tried of the Thought Police.

Much of life is based on opinions, or at best theories. Even where there are immutable laws of Maths, Physics, and Logic, a person's ability to perceive them can be limited. Meaning that they remain limited to their opinion.

And that's fine. Opinions are like Farts. Everyone has one, and it's only other peoples' that stink.

And yet it seems that so much effort today is dedicated to trying to control what other people think.
In my personal opinion, if you were born with an X chromosome, you are a Man. That's my opinion, and nobody has any right to demand that I change. If somebody else chooses to think differently, that too is their opinion, and they are similarly entitled.
If I were to advertise for say a house-mate, and I refused to consider a trans-person, that is my right.
If I were able to bake (edible) cakes, I reserve the right to bake or not bake any cake I so choose.

When I'm hiring somebody, on behalf of my Employer, then I'm bound to comply with their policies (and if I can't tolerate them I can quit) so I might hire such a person, and behave in a totally friendly and professional manner, because my personal opinion is not at issue. But as long as my personal opinions don't interfere, nobody has the right to demand I change.

Similarly, you don't own my language. If I choose to say "Mary likes her new car", as opposed to "their", that is not your "pronoun", that is my language.
as to whether or not you find that offensive, IMHO that's situational. If I had a friend or colleague that asked me to use "they", I would make the effort.
But if some celebrity-twat chooses to take offence at people's use of language, then I really don't give a ****.

People also need to understand that having a right to an opinion, does not include "protection" from the right of somebody else to have a contrary opinion.

[Metdevil]

[shedcoupe]

Jeez Dazz maybe X = Y = man driving an XY.
Sheilapersons are XX (though some are XXX apparently) and blokepersons are XY (or if they’re really blokey they’re XYY).
Allegedly

[jaydee]

Hallelujah Crazy Dazz, couldn't agree more.
Just out of control now, everybody gets upset at the slightest utterance because you're offending somebody who identifies as something else.
The world can't allow for every nondescript minority person or group.
Now schools have to have 3 toilets, formal documents are no longer M or F etc.
Sorry, rant over, get a grip JD.

[LG17]

"If I had a friend or colleague that who asked me to..."



Don't hit me, I'm just taking the ****!

[LG17]

At least the Census only has 3 choices - male, female and non-binary sex.
It used to be male, female and other.

[shedcoupe]

It’s simple.
You’ve got male bits, or female bits, or neither, or both.
In your head you think you’re male, or female, or neither, or both, or you just don’t care, or you identify as a tree, as the Eiffel Tower, or something else.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
It’s not about the thought police (and they’re certainly out there) but about what’s actually true.
So start ticking them boxes.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by shedcoupe

Jeez Dazz maybe X = Y = man driving an XY.
Sheilapersons are XX (though some are XXX apparently) and blokepersons are XY (or if they’re really blokey they’re XYY).
Allegedly

And Bob is now your auntie


Cheers Billy.

[shedcoupe]

Not if he / she / it / they / other is XXY. ;-)

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

In my personal opinion, if you were born with an X chromosome, you are a Man. That's my opinion, and nobody has any right to demand that I change.

'nuff said really.

[Cav]

I hear ya.

I am continually corrected when I tell people I is good lookin'

Bastards!

[Citroënbender]

I may not own his reality, but I’m shorting the derivatives.

[DoubleTrouble]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

In the world in general, and even in this forum, I am getting sick and tried of the Thought Police.

Much of life is based on opinions, or at best theories. Even where there are immutable laws of Maths, Physics, and Logic, a person's ability to perceive them can be limited. Meaning that they remain limited to their opinion.

And that's fine. Opinions are like Farts. Everyone has one, and it's only other peoples' that stink.

And yet it seems that so much effort today is dedicated to trying to control what other people think.
In my personal opinion, if you were born with an X chromosome, you are a Man. That's my opinion, and nobody has any right to demand that I change. If somebody else chooses to think differently, that too is their opinion, and they are similarly entitled.
If I were to advertise for say a house-mate, and I refused to consider a trans-person, that is my right.
If I were able to bake (edible) cakes, I reserve the right to bake or not bake any cake I so choose.

When I'm hiring somebody, on behalf of my Employer, then I'm bound to comply with their policies (and if I can't tolerate them I can quit) so I might hire such a person, and behave in a totally friendly and professional manner, because my personal opinion is not at issue. But as long as my personal opinions don't interfere, nobody has the right to demand I change.

Similarly, you don't own my language. If I choose to say "Mary likes her new car", as opposed to "their", that is not your "pronoun", that is my language.
as to whether or not you find that offensive, IMHO that's situational. If I had a friend or colleague that asked me to use "they", I would make the effort.
But if some celebrity-twat chooses to take offence at people's use of language, then I really don't give a ****.

People also need to understand that having a right to an opinion, does not include "protection" from the right of somebody else to have a contrary opinion.

You do know the WOKE crowd will not like your opinion!

[ford71V8]

The first generation to give a crap about what a pronoun is.

Gotta look at the positives

[marty351]

Go woke, go broke!

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by ford71V8

The first generation to give a crap about what a pronoun is.

Gotta look at the positives

Wots a pronown Mister.....



Chilly Beers

[aussiblue]

Hmm; there are some situations where perhaps allowing people to hold stupid opinions is dangerous e.g. https://www.boredpanda.com/doctor-sh...mpaign=organic Probably one of the reason for the current anarchy in Sidney.

[shedcoupe]

Muppetry is everywhere.

The removalists - 'we are special and don't have to obey any of your stupid rules.'
The removalists - 'mother was my life oh woe is me'.
Outcome - our mother was special but it's fine to put yours at risk.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by shedcoupe

Muppetry is everywhere.

The removalists - 'we are special and don't have to obey any of your stupid rules.'
The removalists - 'mother was my life oh woe is me'.
Outcome - our mother was special but it's fine to put yours at risk.

The forum member = we are special and don't have to obey your stupid rules!
The forum member = mother was my life, "oh woe is me"
Outcome! = Moderator, your mother was wrong, you are banned for 1 year


Chilly Beers

[LG17]

Originally Posted by shedcoupe

It’s simple.
You’ve got male bits, or female bits, or neither, or both.
In your head you think you’re male, or female, or neither, or both, or you just don’t care, or you identify as a tree, as the Eiffel Tower, or something else.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
It’s not about the thought police (and they’re certainly out there) but about what’s actually true.
So start ticking them boxes.

Which head?

[mad2]

Originally Posted by aussiblue

Hmm; there are some situations where perhaps allowing people to hold stupid opinions is dangerous e.g. https://www.boredpanda.com/doctor-sh...mpaign=organic Probably one of the reason for the current anarchy in Sidney.

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Originally Posted by shedcoupe

It’s simple.
You’ve got male bits, or female bits, or neither, or both.
In your head you think you’re male, or female, or neither, or both, or you just don’t care, or you identify as a tree, as the Eiffel Tower, or something else.

It would be simple if people were treated the same regardless of what their plumbing is. Gender stereotypes are a problem and plenty of people are tired of being conditioned and told they cant do a/b/c because they're male or x/y/z because theyre female.
I really don't blame people for trying to assign themselves new genders, but really I think what would be a better solution is to dismantle the stereotypes and roles associated with genders rather than invent new genders to shoehorn themselves into.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by leesa

It would be simple if people were treated the same regardless of what their plumbing is. Gender stereotypes are a problem and plenty of people are tired of being conditioned and told they cant do a/b/c because they're male or x/y/z because theyre female.
I really don't blame people for trying to assign themselves new genders, but really I think what would be a better solution is to dismantle the stereotypes and roles associated with genders rather than invent new genders to shoehorn themselves into.

Got to disagree with you, we were always happy being male or female, boy and girl, man and woman!....it was never an issue until they invented this thing called Internet, or iphone!

Now you push a button and suddenly you are looking into someone's bedroom, its just boredom with being a "normal human" these wannabe "stars" or influencers are being fooled by their own self importance and lack of self esteem.


I have always been happy being me, I don't want to project myself as a person who is better or more special than others, we are just human, not GenX or GenY or Rainbow children, or Millenials and the newest Alpha children!
We are male or female, you get the oddity of a hermaphrodite occasionally but basically we are designed to procreate, just like plants and animals!
We are designed to reproduce offspring, nothing else, two women can't produce a child nor can two men


Chilly Beers

[DoubleTrouble]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Got to disagree with you, we were always happy being male or female, boy and girl, man and woman!....it was never an issue until they invented this thing called Internet, or iphone!

Now you push a button and suddenly you are looking into someone's bedroom, its just boredom with being a "normal human" these wannabe "stars" or influencers are being fooled by their own self importance and lack of self esteem.


I have always been happy being me, I don't want to project myself as a person who is better or more special than others, we are just human, not GenX or GenY or Rainbow children, or Millenials and the newest Alpha children!
We are male or female, you get the oddity of a hermaphrodite occasionally but basically we are designed to procreate, just like plants and animals!
We are designed to reproduce offspring, nothing else, two women can't produce a child nor can two men


Chilly Beers

Don't bet on it medical science will disprove you.

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Got to disagree with you, we were always happy being male or female, boy and girl, man and woman!....it was never an issue until they invented this thing called Internet, or iphone!

Well no, people were persecuted for being anything other than straight as a die. They used to try and "treat" it with electroshock therapy, hormone therapy, chemical castration and lobotomies, remember? People were just very good at hiding and then no longer needed to when the government-backed prosecution ceased.

If you want to talk about things that the internet is responsible for, let's look at porn-induced erectile dysfunction in young men. Men in their 20s no longer able to have sex with a woman because they've trained their brain to only being able to get an erection watching porn. As if that's not bad enough, then they have to look at increasingly extreme material to get aroused as they've desensitised themselves.

I have always been happy being me, I don't want to project myself as a person who is better or more special than others, we are just human, not GenX or GenY or Rainbow children, or Millenials and the newest Alpha children!

Okay great, you love being you, that's wonderful. But now we've got a bunch of people speaking up saying that they don't love being them because they've been hiding and they want to be the real them, and have society hopefully treat them so. And your response is basically "**** you, you can't tell me what to do, men are men, women are women and that's all there is to it"? You can't be inclusive and wilfully ignorant at the same time.

We are male or female, you get the oddity of a hermaphrodite occasionally but basically we are designed to procreate, just like plants and animals!
We are designed to reproduce offspring, nothing else, two women can't produce a child nor can two men

I'd like to hope you're more than just an animal. Not that I'm speaking on behalf of all women but I think you'll find most women expect men to have evolved a little bit beyond being nothing more than just an animal with base reproductive instincts. There's so much more to life and I hope you get to experience it.

Humans are complex creatures with complex social structures and unfortunately a tendency to condition young boys and girls into their expected gender roles as adults. Most men have been conditioned into not being able to express any emotion other than anger as that's the only socially-acceptable one but it doesn't fly anymore. All these new gender changes will go hand in hand with also dismantling the rigid character roles that men are basically forced to act out and I'd think that a lot of men will be happy about that?

If you're too set in your ways to adapt to new cultural changes in society well that's up to you, noone can do it for for you and tbh noone wants to. If you have people in your life that you argue with over this sort of stuff then they'll probably just stop talking to you instead.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble

Don't bet on it medical science will disprove you.

Am talking natural birth, pregnancy, not a cyborg!

This earth has been reproducing for thousands of years, its only scientific ego crap that has changed it all, dolly the sheep is an example, who wants to produce or breed a soulless shell, ya can copy anything now but ya can't give it "soul"...



Chilly Beers

[shedcoupe]

The world isn't as simple as some would like.
Take cross-dressing - three examples from my experience.

A mate's council work gang is having smoko at a village tip. A telstra car drives in, a large man tosses out a suitcase and drives off. The boys open it up and inside are some very large stiletto shoes, some charming outfits (large), etc etc.
Why were they thrown out ? Got busted by his wife, last year's fashion ? Who knows, doesn't matter, nobody should care. He's not hurting anyone.

I'm at a party with the local gang. A woman I hadn't seen before slinks up, starts chatting and asks me to get her a drink. She's not too shabby - I think 'hmmm ... interesting'.
After a while I realise 'holy handbags Batman - this is _____ ' (one of the local good old boys).

I'm on the phone with an old mate. She says 'remember ____ (a bloke we used to know a long time ago) ? Well he's waiting for gender reassignment surgery'.
Coulda knocked me down with a feather. He was a blokey bloke in my memory - a bearded, beer-drinking father who worked in a blokey trade. Turns out he's been frocking up for years and really wants to be a woman.
We try to dissuade him (only because the operation is apparently one of the most painful known to man ...) by saying 'mate you won't be Britney Spears after this - you'll just be an old boiler'.
We speculate if he's a lesbian trapped in a man's body or a hetero sheila.
Does it matter ? Nah. He did it and was happy.

People shouldn't live in hiding or guilt because of whatever trip society is laying on them. Man.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by leesa

Most men have been conditioned into not being able to express any emotion other than anger as that's the only socially-acceptable one but it doesn't fly anymore.

Wow..........You need to talk to more men. You will be surprised if you go in with an open mind.

[BENT_8]

I work with a middle aged lady who has recently had full gender realignment surgery and apart from being a little to descriptive when discussing the whole process, I find her to be really cool to talk to about men and women.
Its interesting to watch others reactions to her though as many obviously find it a little confronting.
I suspect because she is so open she gets a kick out of the shock and awe so I just ask heaps of questions and I think that throws her and so theres much less sensationalised content in our discussions.

Whenever we're having a good old whinge about another driver i usually end it with 'bloody men' to which we both laugh and go about our business.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by tweeked

Wow..........You need to talk to more men. You will be surprised if you go in with an open mind.

Spot on, am glad you answered and not me, some folk are weak willed and shy with it, gay men and women feed on that weakness, I come home from work one day and my missus had cut her long golden blonde hair off, short short, like a bloke, she was sitting legs apart in jeans sucking on a stubby with a fag hanging outta the side of her mouth, was just about to say something and another voice cut in?

Well well, it was a carbon copy of my wife, every time i asked a question it was answered by this dysfunctional thing, in the end I picked her up over my shoulder, walked 50 metres to Gl......k lagoon and threw her in, I said don't come into my house ever again, you want to look like an idiot that's fine, but my wife is a woman not a lemonhead!

Big fireworks that night, 3 feet of beautiful blonde hair gone, I said I hope you donated it to the Cancer Council, she said the hairdresser bought it and we bought drinks with it!
I went off my nut, my missus was a stage 4 manic depressive, easily led and a walkover for a dominant woman.

True story 1992, we split a year later


Chilly Beers