new hsv for 2008

waggaclint · 06-01-2008, 06:53 PM

has anyone heard about thing....article from wheels mag web site...

HSV
Depending on how you look at it, HSV’s top-secret GTS-R 7.0-litre V8 stormer will either be a very expensive Commodore, or a brilliant cut-price alternative to an M5. We’re tipping plenty of Aussies will agree with the latter when the $125,000 (estimated) newcomer goes on sale in 2008. And, with its 385kW/640Nm 7.0-litre Chevrolet LS7 V8 good for performance in the order of high fours to 100km/h and mid-12s across the standing 400m, we can’t disagree.

looks like they might wreck FPV's party with there new car......

woteva · 06-01-2008, 08:03 PM

Doesn't really matter to me. Even if they do bring one out I can't afford one!
7 odd litres is getting ridiculous imo. If they can't make decent grunt from a 6.0 there is something seriously worng.

I'm so over Holden, HSV and VE in particular. And I'm sick of Wheels & Modern Motor with all their Holden this & Holden that! It is all driving me to the point where I'll buy a Ford.

AWD Chaser · 06-01-2008, 08:18 PM

Who the blody hell knows.

First it was $120,000, now its up $5k
then it was 395kw, now it 385kw?

Where are they getting their figures?

Last I heard, they were having trouble fitting the LS7 in the engine bay - some thing about being RHD and the brake booster, etc being in the way, and something about it needing room for it's oil cooler, being a dry sump. Don't quote me on any of that.

Chucking a 7.0L HSV on the market has been on the discussion board for many years now...

I don't know anything about the new LS7 (specs), but if it's any heavier then the current 6L (soon to be 6.2L) I don't think it will be handling all that great...

bcr2734 · 06-01-2008, 08:20 PM

you cannot blame motor mag for banging on about the VE. Ford hasn't done anything for a while. Except the 40th ann and the cobra. But no real massive gain of power since the BA GT or the T3. i just hope that the orion is excellent and not a white elephant. Cause i need something nice next to the t.

woteva · 06-01-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kia Chaser

Who the blody hell knows.

First it was $120,000, now its up $5k
then it was 395kw, now it 385kw?

Where are they getting their figures?

Last I heard, they were having trouble fitting the LS7 in the engine bay - some thing about being RHD and the brake booster, etc being in the way, and something about it needing room for it's oil cooler, being a dry sump. Don't quote me on any of that.

Chucking a 7.0L HSV on the market has been on the discussion board for many years now...

I don't know anything about the new LS7 (specs), but if it's any heavier then the current 6L (soon to be 6.2L) I don't think it will be handling all that great...

LSX engines are pretty light being all alloy contruction so I don't think weight will be an issue. If they do bring it out, it will be hella expensive. But they don't really have a hero car now they've made all their cars with the same power figures.

burnz · 06-01-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kia Chaser

Who the blody hell knows.

First it was $120,000, now its up $5k
then it was 395kw, now it 385kw?

Where are they getting their figures?

Last I heard, they were having trouble fitting the LS7 in the engine bay - some thing about being RHD and the brake booster, etc being in the way, and something about it needing room for it's oil cooler, being a dry sump. Don't quote me on any of that.

Chucking a 7.0L HSV on the market has been on the discussion board for many years now...

I don't know anything about the new LS7 (specs), but if it's any heavier then the current 6L (soon to be 6.2L) I don't think it will be handling all that great...

same engine
GENIII 7ltr LS1
GENIV 7ltr LS2
so what's the hold up media/pollie's perhapse

Kryton · 06-01-2008, 08:33 PM

so will this be like the 427ci Monaro then

4Vman · 06-01-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by davway

so will this be like the 427ci Monaro then

That car was going to retail for $250K 4 years ago (and they couldnt make money on it at that price) so id say if the price ends up somewhere between 125-150K the spec and performance won't be even close...

burnz · 06-01-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by davway

so will this be like the 427ci Monaro then

yep just holden whispers,
stir the pot.

Nikked · 06-01-2008, 08:43 PM

CSV has already done a 7L VE, so it fits. HSV are probally just stirring the pot, but come 2010 when ford has its new V8's we might see a 7L GTS, who knows. Motor and wheels talk to much crap...

Lightning Strike XR6 · 06-01-2008, 08:44 PM

the GTHO will be a better buy if it comes out.

4Vman · 06-01-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikk O'lass

CSV has already done a 7L VE, so it fits. HSV are probally just stirring the pot, but come 2010 when ford has its new V8's we might see a 7L GTS, who knows. Motor and wheels talk to much crap...

The CSV was a one off... CSV don't have to build it to meet ADR's or factory Warranty either...
Nor do they have to make it economically reproducable from a production line basis..

burnz · 06-01-2008, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikk O'lass

CSV has already done a 7L VE, so it fits. HSV are probally just stirring the pot, but come 2010 when ford has its new V8's we might see a 7L GTS, who knows. Motor and wheels talk to much crap...

i put a post up earlier/late last year where vauxhall verus ford, 5th gear
...vrx8-500 vs selby mustang-500
both car's had positive displacment blower's,
interesting viewing.

T3ts50 · 06-01-2008, 09:08 PM

CSV were able to fit LS7 because they placed the oil tank where the airbox usually sits and used a corvette style airbox. As its been reported, HSV have been having problems fitting LS7 because of the dry sump system. Oil tank in the vettes sit on the right hand side where the brake booster would sit if it were RHD.

LS7 weighs the same as LS2.

duaned · 06-01-2008, 09:53 PM

Can anyone out there please tell me where 385kw of power will be useful on our public streets? I simply do't understand the need for all this power when the bulk of people are confined to 60km/h on the streets. Gee, a BF fitted with a ZF is damn quick enough by any standard so a 7 litre is over the top IMO, unless you are going to tow one of Robert Gerard's luxury 22ft cruisers!

tapeworm · 06-01-2008, 09:57 PM

Mmm, HSV don't want to have their 'king of V8 power' image cut down by the upcoming HO? Though doubt it. BTW the GTHO is gonna have to eclipse this to hold respect

: , lol.

ea90gl · 06-01-2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ddarby

Can anyone out there please tell me where 385kw of power will be useful on our public streets? I simply do't understand the need for all this power when the bulk of people are confined to 60km/h on the streets. Gee, a BF fitted with a ZF is damn quick enough by any standard so a 7 litre is over the top IMO, unless you are going to tow one of Robert Gerard's luxury 22ft cruisers!

its all about bragging rights, apparently some people sleep better at night when they know thier car is quicker than someone elses

I FluXx I · 06-01-2008, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ddarby

Can anyone out there please tell me where 385kw of power will be useful on our public streets? I simply do't understand the need for all this power when the bulk of people are confined to 60km/h on the streets. Gee, a BF fitted with a ZF is damn quick enough by any standard so a 7 litre is over the top IMO, unless you are going to tow one of Robert Gerard's luxury 22ft cruisers!

People find ways of using it.........hehe. Alot of people here have cars that are modded and put out alot more power than 385kw

**Elks** · 06-01-2008, 10:12 PM

The rumours are about. I know someone how claims to have put a deposit down for 1 of 100 7L HSV's. Greta strategy, image booster to remain superior at the launch of new Falcon.

Also the 'Normal' HSV will be 6.2L = more power & more torque. FPV should be benchmarking this not the current engines. Particluarly seeing the media is in love with all things wearing a lion at the moment.

As said it's about bragging rights and image. All th punter with an Omega look and go that's my car. I know that makes no sense to anyone that know anyting about cars, but that still leaves 95% of the population.

WASP · 06-01-2008, 10:26 PM

Sounds exciting to me. If HSV can build and sell them then good for the enthusiast. And for those that wonder why anyone would 'need' 385kW's o the street? Well I have around 530kW's and I can tell you that there is no need at all. It's all about desire, not a necessity. You would hope that those that can afford to have that type of power in that type of car would have the type of maturity and respect to manage it. Having said that there is always exceptions...

Lightning Strike GT · 06-01-2008, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ddarby

Can anyone out there please tell me where 385kw of power will be useful on our public streets? I simply do't understand the need for all this power !

Are you related to Harrold Scrubby

Green X · 06-01-2008, 10:52 PM

It's funny how in the light of "Peak Oil" more and more car company's are making V8's and bigger displacement engines and or sports orientated car's.

Like now you can only buy a V8 diesel cruiser or V8 Petrol cruiser, V8 and Turbo 6 Holden's and Ford's + Supercharged Camrys.

Kryton · 06-01-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Green X

It's funny how in the light of "Peak Oil" more and more car company's are making V8's and bigger displacement engines and or sports orientated car's.

Like now you can only buy a V8 diesel cruiser or V8 Petrol cruiser.

there are other reasons the Cruiser got what it got you know.
there is a thing called Euro 4 emissions which are pretty damn hard to meet. that hard the Ford I6 is to be dropped because of it.
the Cruiser got the Twin Turbo diesel to reduce emission and meet the requirements (turbos not only make power - they reburn waste=less emissions)
as for the petrol V8, it uses LESS fuel than the previous engine AND makes more power at the same time.
heres is the first "tech" article that popped up about the new Cruiser:
http://digiads.com.au/car-news/lates...ed_200710.html
if you want to research the engines more - go ahead.
basically manufacturers arent just putting in thumping V8s with turbos/superchargers for the hell of it (in most cases)

sleekism · 07-01-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by myts

The rumours are about. I know someone how claims to have put a deposit down for 1 of 100 7L HSV's. Greta strategy, image booster to remain superior at the launch of new Falcon.

Also the 'Normal' HSV will be 6.2L = more power & more torque. FPV should be benchmarking this not the current engines. Particluarly seeing the media is in love with all things wearing a lion at the moment.

As said it's about bragging rights and image. All th punter with an Omega look and go that's my car. I know that makes no sense to anyone that know anyting about cars, but that still leaves 95% of the population.

Yes I have a sneaking suspicion that HSV are going to coincide the release of their new 325kw 6.2L LS3 with the launch of the Orion Falcon and the supposed FPV GT 320kw.

I think the BOSS290 is reaching the end of it's development in NA guise which means the only roue after that is superchargers. Somehow I think FPV and HSV have a silent agreement of no superchargers so if FPV goes supercharged you can imagine how the power wars are going to explode.

Ford is really going to have to pull something big come Orion launch or they will continue to sell at half Holdens rate.

I say we need two things:

1) FPV GTR-twin turbo Barra, AWD, 350kw+
2)FPV GTHO-Shelby Mustang GT500KR V8, 400kw??

People may call this madness but back in 67 the idea of a four door GT was thought of as madness

blueoval · 07-01-2008, 10:00 AM

I dont care what anyone says, I wouldnt be wasting 125k on Holden or Ford for that matter.

Whitey-AMG · 07-01-2008, 10:14 AM

In a time now where we are all so spoilt for choice with some exceptional aftermarket tuners and products...............WHO CARES !!!!!!!

When you can now pick up a good second hand BA GT for 35K, spend anywhere from 5 - 15K on it and have a reliable 12 - 13 second street car........who really cares about FACTORY offerings anymore. Don't even mention the 6T cars...........for <10K they are lethal weapons.

Sure its great to have a good base to work with, but so long as anyone driving the BLUE OVAL has great armoury at their disposal. It doesn't really matter anymore. More and more people are driving new cars straight from the dealer to the aftermarket tuners workshops.

The battle between the marques is won in the aftermarket.........NOT on the showroom floor anymore. With most of the BOSS GT owners I know, the BOSS 290 decal on the bonnet is more indicative of RWKW than FWKW.......

mongoloid · 07-01-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ddarby

Can anyone out there please tell me where 385kw of power will be useful on our public streets? I simply do't understand the need for all this power when the bulk of people are confined to 60km/h on the streets.

Does anyone remember the Porsche ads for their Cayenne 4WD that said somehting like

"If you cant work out why you need 450hp to take the kids to school, your not giving the problem your full attention"

sleekism · 07-01-2008, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ESP

In a time now where we are all so spoilt for choice with some exceptional aftermarket tuners and products...............WHO CARES !!!!!!!

When you can now pick up a good second hand BA GT for 35K, spend anywhere from 5 - 15K on it and have a reliable 12 - 13 second street car........who really cares about FACTORY offerings anymore. Don't even mention the 6T cars...........for <10K they are lethal weapons.

Sure its great to have a good base to work with, but so long as anyone driving the BLUE OVAL has great armoury at their disposal. It doesn't really matter anymore. More and more people are driving new cars straight from the dealer to the aftermarket tuners workshops.

The battle between the marques is won in the aftermarket.........NOT on the showroom floor anymore. With most of the BOSS GT owners I know, the BOSS 290 decal on the bonnet is more indicative of RWKW than FWKW.......

I think a 7L V8 is a VERY good base to start from!

The only advantages the BOSS has is block strength (I have heard the LS1 a lot weaker compared to the old 5L) and head design.

GM has a lot of tricks up their sleave. Has anybody heard of the 3V pushrod V8 or the VVT (in block) V8 under development by GM?

merlin · 07-01-2008, 10:25 AM

I certainly welcome any of these types of cars and hope it happens - however if it was my money a BMW M3 V8 or Audi RS4 V8 would be in the garage for not much more - I know the Audi runs 12's and will seat 5 - so what are you paying for in the Holden? more legroom?

Still wouldnt turn one down though...

Quicksand · 07-01-2008, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ESP

In a time now where we are all so spoilt for choice with some exceptional aftermarket tuners and products...............WHO CARES !!!!!!!

When you can now pick up a good second hand BA GT for 35K, spend anywhere from 5 - 15K on it and have a reliable 12 - 13 second street car........who really cares about FACTORY offerings anymore. Don't even mention the 6T cars...........for <10K they are lethal weapons.

Sure its great to have a good base to work with, but so long as anyone driving the BLUE OVAL has great armoury at their disposal. It doesn't really matter anymore. More and more people are driving new cars straight from the dealer to the aftermarket tuners workshops.

The battle between the marques is won in the aftermarket.........NOT on the showroom floor anymore. With most of the BOSS GT owners I know, the BOSS 290 decal on the bonnet is more indicative of RWKW than FWKW.......

Exactly and well said