.0019%

[superyob]

The evening news just reported that thousands of people took to the streets today demanding action on climate change. These bunch of noisy and mostly socialist 'activists' were also replete with all the accoutrements of their favourite causes such as land rights for gay whales because these have so much connection to 'climate change'.

So if my maths is correct, a reported 45000 people out of a nation of 23 million = .0019% of the population that is going to drive the populist policies of government because the silent majority has been rendered invisible by noisy minority groups.

Where is my brown shirt...

[Ford Falcon XR6]

I knew climate change was a bull**** the moment governments started putting taxes on it. The polar ice has been on the increase for several years now

[Top_Ghia]

Whale is delicious but I couldn't eat a whole one.

[Ben73]

Problem with these people they are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.
They tell everyone they need to save the world, but wont do anything that makes them less comfortable.

Few years ago when these idiots came to protest the mines around here, it was reported that people traveled from all over Australia to attend. A lot of them stayed at a caravan park that wasn't far from the mines. Having a look at the car park it was full of dirty polluting SUV's and V6 sedans. Hardly any tiny economy cars or electric vehicles. I don't even recall seeing a Prius which people like this praise as a saviour of the environment.
I saw multiple number plates of cars from Vic and QLD. That's a long way to driving a polluting SUV for no reason.
Oh they also hired multiple trucks to transport their big steel box to the mine so they could attach the box to the railway line with someone locked in it to 'stop' the coal chain.
I guess no one told them that coal was probably used to create that big steel box they transported from who knows where.
They may of stopped 1 mine for a couple of hours, but they would of damaged the earth more doing that than if they just left people to get on with their jobs.

The thing is everyone knows things need to be done to make the world a less polluted place, but it takes time. These idiots want it to happen over night, but offer no useful alternative.

[99AUXR]

O-zone depletion is a thing. And also because of how it all works we only see the effects of our emissions in the future, not instantly. The median time estimation for this lag is 10.1 years but it can be anywhere between 6.6-30 years no one really knows yet. Scientific tests of smaller scales have been conducted to try and figure this out.

I think we should be more concerned than we are but I think too many people myself included its not very high on their agenda.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Ya maths is a little out by the way ;-)

[jpblue1000]

Counter it with a pro coal rally. show the mainstream public the right way
I bet you get 10 or 12 people.

JP

[99AUXR]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Ya maths is a little out by the way ;-)

Calculation is done with weighted probability ;-)

[superyob]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Ya maths is a little out by the way ;-)

That is entirely possible Yellow Festiva. I divided 45000 by 23000000 to get .0019%. Is this not correct?

JP, just try to ban coal. There will be 23000000 - 45000 wanting their standard of living back!!!

[Trump]

People need to realise that this push by these closet commies has nothing to do with saving the planet. The impetus for action towards climate change comes from much higher up in the food chain than those genuinely concerned about the impact of humankind on the planet. As with the current war of terror, one simply needs to follow the money to see who will benefit the most from what could turn out to be the largest transfer of wealth in the history of civilisation.

I'm all for leaving the planet in a better condition than we found it, but this has nothing to do with mitigating the impact of people on the world.

[jpblue1000]

Yob, need to multiply your division by 100 to get a percent. So .2 percent of the population! But still more than marching for coal!
JP

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

Whale is delicious but I couldn't eat a whole one.

What bait do you use ?

[superyob]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Yob, need to multiply your division by 100 to get a percent. So .2 percent of the population! But still more than marching for coal!
JP

JP that is an absurd observation. We don't have to march for coal. We use it by the bucket load to run our power stations, thus giving our consent...

.2 = one fifth or 20%??? That does not sound right unless it is .2 of 1%?

[jpblue1000]

I don't believe the protests were a call to ban coal. But a more basic goal of ensuring the current government puts in place policy which seriously considers what many believe is a serious issue. Whether the actual and reported numbers were enough is yet to be seen!. A serious policy will transition a populace from one source to another, or actively promote searching for alternates rather than head in the sand nepotism. Done properly the transition will be painless. However I notice it is going to hurt many. And I believe coal will cease being as important as it is much sooner than many expect.
JP

[Trump]

And how do you know that those pushing action against climate change are full of bovine fecal matter, they try to criminalise opposing viewpoints and attitudes:

http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/17/sc...ming-skeptics/

http://watchdog.org/240476/rico-letter-climate/

Now as it happens, the letter in the article above has since been pulled, but it has been archived:

http://web.archive.org/web/201509201...residentAG.pdf

[jpblue1000]

Good point yob! But surely the mandate for consent through use is actually breathing. More people breath and continue to do so and want clean air to breath than use coal. Plus consider the transition to renewables only increases the fresh air breathers mandate to clean air!
Thus the marches are really seeking policy to ensure clean air!
JP

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/17/sc...ming-skeptics/

I Like their style. Agree we us or we lock you up

Edit...................

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Thus the marches are really seeking policy to ensure clean air!

Perhaps they should be marching for Nuclear Power stations.

[Franco Cozzo]

I'm not the biggest fan of the Green ones either, but I find it ironic the group of people second guessing the guys and ladies in the safety glasses and lab coats who went all the way though years of higher education to be where they are are also the same conservatives who hold religious beliefs

[superyob]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Good point yob! But surely the mandate for consent through use is actually breathing. More people breath and continue to do so and want clean air to breath than use coal. Plus consider the transition to renewables only increases the fresh air breathers mandate to clean air!
Thus the marches are really seeking policy to ensure clean air!
JP

I don't have a problem with renewables JP. I do have a problem with government policy legitimising minority concerns at the expense of the silent majority...

[Trump]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

I'm not the biggest fan of the Green ones either, but I find it ironic the group of people second guessing the guys and ladies in the safety glasses and lab coats who went all the way though years of higher education to be where they are are also the same conservatives who hold religious beliefs

The problem Damo is that a lot of those gingerneers are funded by the same think-tanks and lobby groups within the bureaucratic machine that are bellowing from their respective rooftops that the world will end unless we bow down to them whilst liberating the world of bulk coinage.

[jpblue1000]

But the total majority, being all of us need to breath and consume clean water and eat healthy food. Policy should ensure this, and by extrapolation the green movement is about just that. Government policy also needs to be transparent in its intent and effect, how it came to be and who it benefits as much as penalises. We don't have that, we have a skewed system of lobby and support, closed door deals and bias and agendas which rightly or wrongly is seen as anti fresh air, water and food. The marches are an attempt to have their voices be heard over the money!
JP

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

The problem Damo is that a lot of those gingerneers are funded by the same think-tanks and lobby groups within the bureaucratic machine that are bellowing from their respective rooftops that the world will end unless we bow down to them whilst liberating the world of bulk coinage.

Of course, think tanks, lobby groups and governments are all full of stronzo, trying to play one against the other, smoke and mirrors in the quest of $$$.

But I don't mind a bit of looking after the environment as we go along, we can do a bit better than what were doing with some thinking rather than pointing fingers in a Mexican finger pointing standoff.

[Top_Ghia]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

What bait do you use ?

My great grandfather was a fisherman. He used fairy penguins for bait. I'm not sure what they taste like as he always covered them in bbq sauce.

[PG2]

Just to clear up the maths - it's 0.19%.

As my maths teacher would always say - show your working.

45,000 ÷ 23,000,000 = 0.0019

To get the percentage.

0.0019 x 100 = 0.19%

[superyob]

.19 = 19% if 1 is 100%
Or is that .19 of 1%?

Sorry, my maths has never been the best...

[PG2]

Originally Posted by superyob

.19 = 19% if 1 is 100%
Or is that .19 of 1%?

Sorry, my maths has never been the best...

The second one.

Percentages are measured in fractions of 100. 1% = 1/100

0.0019 is the fraction (19/10000).

In order to get the percentage you divide the 19 and 10000 by 100 which equals 0.19/100.

EDIT: I hope this sort of makes sense - hard for me to explain typing it on the wife's tablet.

[supershifty]

Originally Posted by PG2

The second one.

Percentages are measured in fractions of 100. 1% = 1/100

0.0019 is the fraction (19/10000).

In order to get the percentage you divide the 19 and 10000 by 100 which equals 0.19/100.

EDIT: I hope this sort of makes sense - hard for me to explain typing it on the wife's tablet.

Originally Posted by PG2

Just to clear up the maths - it's 0.19%.

As my maths teacher would always say - show your working.

45,000 ÷ 23,000,000 = 0.0019

To get the percentage.

0.0019 x 100 = 0.19%

Originally Posted by superyob

.19 = 19% if 1 is 100%
Or is that .19 of 1%?

Sorry, my maths has never been the best...

My brain hurts - cannot absorb all that arithmobatics.

Cheers!

[whitelion65]

Originally Posted by superyob

I don't have a problem with renewables JP. I do have a problem with government policy legitimising minority concerns at the expense of the silent majority...

But what if the minority is CORRECT??
\
Plenty of examples throughout history where this is the case!!

(I'm thinking I'll regret replying to this thread!!!)

[Stefan]

Were all the dam greenies marching when the state government built a 2 billion dollar desalination plant because some crackpot said it will never rain again in Sydney.

The carbon produced in building the thing then have it sitting there idling away doing nothing while warragambah is 91 perfect full is bordering criminal.

Yet no one had held Flanery to task.

I can't believe we continue throw money at this climate change BS...

[Trump]

I have no issue with having a backup source of water like a desal plant. However I do take issue with how they were delivered. The way the respective govco's put the taxpayer on the hook for these facilities is beyond criminal. The PPP (public-private partnership) model of funding public infrastructure is nothing short of a criminal enterprise. In this example, Victorians are paying $1.8 million PER DAY for the next 27 years:

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/con...2/s3656791.htm

That's $17.7 billion for those of you playing at home.

Follow the money...