How To Annoy a Hybrid Driver

peedee · 01-04-2007, 11:19 PM

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Was last week down from the central coast to northern sydney suburbs.
Stopped at a set of lights (had taken my real toy for a run) (no not a ford but a V8 valiant sedan with 3" exhaust and all the rumble of a twin system),
any way in the right hand lane pull up a Pirius (i think) windows wound down to save on aircon using up electricity, that was being pumped through stereo, young guys that would normally drive ricers but mummy and daddy probarbly think they are doing the right thing for the enviroment.

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Passenger leans out of window and says something along the lines of earth destroyer and planet rapist. I wound down my window, for him to repeat it, which he did, so I replied It's so cool in here the beers are icing up, and thank you for leaving some oil in the ground, for my use and others like me. To which I got the one finger salute :the_finge and an attempt to race me from the lights. Meanwhile my 21 daughter is sitting in the passenger seat scared that I would get into an argument with them. :evilsasmo
A bit further up the road, they managed to get in front of me and slamed the brakes on,

: no worries think I, just stay back a bit, which I did until they came to do a right hand turn, at which point I stoped in the left lane blocking traffic, wound down the window, and reminded them that over 1800kg of steel would go straight through their 1000kg piece of recycled aluminium and plastic and also reminded them that, the firies have yet to devise a safe way of putting out these things when they catch alight, as they have a high magnesium content, like early beetle blocks and if you put water on them the burn fiercer. :evilsasmo
Just put this up may start some conversations

I do not want to start arguments about saving the planet.:monkes:
As I say my V8 is a toy ,my daily car does 7.6L/100k, (it used to be an XF GHIA but did not need the size or power anymore, (but still prefer over holdens any day)
But some of this hybrid technology is dangerous. I am a member of the Rural Fire Service on the Central Coast, and the F3 freeway is in our area we have been told if it is a hybrid powered vehicle attempt to get people out, if we can, or assist other services to but otherwise let it burn, as they are unsure if the foaming agent we carry on the truck would help as it mixes with water, and we only carry one carbon dioxide extinguisher on each truck
Peter

XR Martin · 01-04-2007, 11:22 PM

The Prius actually pollutes the Earth more than a Hummer.

http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/edito...asp?NewsID=188

peedee · 01-04-2007, 11:30 PM

That somehow does not surprise me considering the exotic metals used to make the power storage devices. I also remember a doco some time in the mid 80'-90's on Volvo where they were trying to cut pollution output from their factories, by recycling their old cars, and making parts of their new cars more easily recycled.
I Admit to it I have had 3 Volvo's all were great cars but dealers and parts places thought you were made of money
peter

Aeron · 01-04-2007, 11:33 PM

I have this overwhelming urge to punch Hybrid drivers in the face. Mainly for being so blind and gullible for thinking they are doing some good by driving their over priced pieces of junk.
Don’t get me started on earth hour. What a load of crap. All these noobs turning their light off for nothing. The power stations still ran as normal. So in effect, if you turned your light off, you wasted electricity that was being produced. We would have been better off turning our lights on.

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schmidty · 01-04-2007, 11:42 PM

Had a guy at work chatting to me the other day about a study he read in regards to finding the worlds most environmentally friendly car.

Said they took into account things like fuel consumption, the amount of recycled and recyclable materials used in construction, the toxic elements left behind after the car is finished with, amount of energy used to produce the components and assemble the car and a multitude of other factors.

The number 1 worlds most environmentally friendly car when you took everything into account was.............. believe it or not................. the Jeep Wrangler 4.0L petrol. Prius he thinks from memory came 168th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

chevypower · 01-04-2007, 11:44 PM

this is just ridiculous, the only people who believe a Hummer is better for the environment than a Prius, is people who wanna justify their likings of V8s. Like V8s all ya want, but dont be stupid enough to believe garbage like that. Another thing, everyone knows what V8s are, they are nothing new.... If people want to drive environmentally friendly cars, so be it.. it's a good thing - People on here talk as if Prius drivers have never heard of a V8 and will get scared if they see one. I dont drive a Prius, but gee, give credit to the people who are willing to actually do something... any bogan can buy a V8 and most bogans do! As i said, theres nothing wrong with liking V8s, but to criticize people for wanting something environmentally friendly, that's just retarded.... No more quotes on the Hummer being better than a Prius... the dummest people in the world will actually believe it cos they want to.

Interceptor · 01-04-2007, 11:49 PM

chevypower: your argument of ignorance goes both ways, so be carefull

as for the OP, i think my Sig says it all

schmidty · 01-04-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

this is just ridiculous, the only people who believe a Hummer is better for the environment than a Prius, is people who wanna justify their likings of V8s. Like V8s all ya want, but dont be stupid enough to believe garbage like that. Another thing, everyone knows what V8s are, they are nothing new.... If people want to drive environmentally friendly cars, so be it.. it's a good thing - People on here talk as if Prius drivers have never heard of a V8 and will get scared if they see one. I dont drive a Prius, but gee, give credit to the people who are willing to actually do something... any bogan can buy a V8 and most bogans do! As i said, theres nothing wrong with liking V8s, but to criticize people for wanting something environmentally friendly, that's just retarded.... No more quotes on the Hummer being better than a Prius... the dummest people in the world will actually believe it cos they want to.

Dude, click the link in the post by XR6 Martin and read it for yourself

andrewts · 01-04-2007, 11:53 PM

I give these people credit for trying to make a difference, but I'd love to slap them all the same, because they treat anything below themselves as if they are murderers. Jus because they can afford to buy a brand new plastic-fantastic time bomb, doesn't mean it suits everyone esles needs of budgets.

But the behaviour you described is damn well stupid. If I was in a get about car, I would have slammed right up the back of their car. Sure, then it will cost insurance, and they might die, but it's the principle.

chevypower · 01-04-2007, 11:57 PM

I have read it, it's been posted on here loads of times, and on every other car forum. You should really stop reading at the point where it says it's powered by "two engines." An electric motor, is NOT an engine! The Prius only has to be on a ship from Japan, unlike the Hummer that comes from the US... More Prius' fit on a ship than Hummers.... this debate is pointless - I would love a Hummer H2, but to say its more environmentally friendly than a Prius is the dummest thing ever! Stick a diesel/elec hybrid in it though, and you could have ya cake and eat it too.

By the way, i am not saying the Prius is a perfect car, or even a good car... but I think it's a step forward, the economy can be better if the electric motors are powered by the ICE in a non-parallel layout, with auto shut down and start up on the ICE, give the elec motors enough power to drive the car independently of the ICE, and have the ICE run on a renewable fuel. Eg a plug-in diesel electric hybrid, running off bio-diesel is about the best thing they could do at the moment. But nobody is doing it. The people buying Prius' are the ones creating that market.

schmidty · 01-04-2007, 11:57 PM

Read this then!

I found the report i mentioned in the above post.

Some interesting reading if you're bored!

458 paged of what seems to be well backed up research

http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automoti...%20VERSION.pdf

peedee · 02-04-2007, 12:00 AM

I only brought this up to promote discussion not for people to get thei jocks in a twist I was more making a statement about the attitude of the young guys in pirus toward and old guy in a lump of gas guzling steel, my V8 was at the end of the time of chrysler in australia and they used an electronic system to cut emmissions and reduce fuel consumption, when it is set up properly it gets 15-16L/100k on the open road towing a 16 foot caravan, which equals most 4wd's out there, as their advertised fuel consumption, I have no problems driving hybrid cars, it just like me saying that you should not be on the ford forum because your nick is chevpower, and my avatar is of my toy, I know lots of sixes and fours out there today that would blow my doors off at the lights, but I like comfort and space around me on a long drive,when I get to go on one the val has only done about 2000k this year, but one thing with it is it does not blow smoke of any kind and in the last 27 years the pollution caused in it manufacture, has possibly been completely reabsorbed diffused by the earth, so keeping it on the road will cause no further pollution than the small amounts it puts out by being driven, oh and it is setup for regular unleaded.
peter

schmidty · 02-04-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

I have read it, it's been posted on here loads of times, and on every other car forum. You should really stop reading at the point where it says it's powered by "two engines." An electric motor, is NOT an engine! The Prius only has to be on a ship from Japan, unlike the Hummer that comes from the US... More Prius' fit on a ship than Hummers.... this debate is pointless - I would love a Hummer H2, but to say its more environmentally friendly than a Prius is the dummest thing ever! Stick a diesel/elec hybrid in it though, and you could have ya cake and eat it too.

Its the elec side of the hybrid technology that is the least environmentally freindly, thanks to the materials used in batteries and motors and the amount of energy and environmental damage that takes place to extract them and produce the finished product

samftr · 02-04-2007, 12:08 AM

Wow, some interesting reading material there.
Does anyone here want to annoy Lawsie by sending the information onto him

as he says "Toyota are sponsors of mine." and goes on about how good they are.

hehe.. I know the EF is cheaper to run *on gas* than a 4 cylinder 1.8 litre corola is *on petrol. Just try to get through to mr golden mike is a different story tho.

XR Martin · 02-04-2007, 12:10 AM

You dont fit more Prius' onto a ship. The arrangement of vehicles on a ship is exactly like a carpark. One size fits all kinda thing. Unless the vehicle is overly large like a truck or a bus.

Psycho Chicken · 02-04-2007, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

I have read it, it's been posted on here loads of times, and on every other car forum. You should really stop reading at the point where it says it's powered by "two engines." An electric motor, is NOT an engine! The Prius only has to be on a ship from Japan, unlike the Hummer that comes from the US... More Prius' fit on a ship than Hummers.... this debate is pointless - I would love a Hummer H2, but to say its more environmentally friendly than a Prius is the dummest thing ever! Stick a diesel/elec hybrid in it though, and you could have ya cake and eat it too.

What? You're saying an article written by the Central Connecticut State University doesn't take into account shipping the Hummer from the US? Find me a shipping route from the US to Connecticut.

Do they make smaller shipping containers just for Prius transport?

peedee · 02-04-2007, 12:22 AM

One of the upshots off all this is my 21 year old daughter is a part interpreter for TOYOTA and they sell 20 camrys a month compared to 1 prius, tends to show the buying public are still a bit wary of new technology

chevypower · 02-04-2007, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

What? You're saying an article written by the Central Connecticut State University doesn't take into account shipping the Hummer from the US? Find me a shipping route from the US to Connecticut.

Do they make smaller shipping containers just for Prius transport?

Duuuudddddeeee calm down, i was trying to sound like i was arguing their stupid point against them sarcastically - I guess that didnt come across. I dont live in Connecticut, so even if i did buy cars based on their shipping route, i wouldnt take the arrival of CT in to my equation. If people want to buy a V8 and rationalize it, that's ok... I am all for trying new things to combat global warming.... it will take will power, and trying new ways till we get it right.. I know the fuel consumption of V8s - owned and driven them for years, yes i have argued how frugal they are too (on the highway) I know every argument for owning a V8 - against rotarys, Camrys, turbos and just about everything else.... My point goes back to the fact you cant assume a Prius driver knows no other way than a Hybrid, as it's new technology to cars. These people wanting to show off their 8s, are probably showing off to the people that owned their V8 before they bought it - then sold it to try something new... There will always be closed-minded people, if it's not a Ford, wont even look at it, if it's not a Holden, if it doesnt have 8 pistons, if it's not RWD, wont even look at it....

I wouldnt look at the Prius as a potential to what hybrid technology can do...
i would look more at the Mini that does 0-100 in 3 seconds, has 600 horsepower, 3000Nm and gets 80 miles per gallon!

a friend and I are looking at doing something like this as a project, to a BA Falcon - perhaps that would spark more interest.

samftr · 02-04-2007, 12:40 AM

wonder what the lexus hybrid is like... It has a fair amount of torque ey?

Envi XR8 · 02-04-2007, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

By the way, i am not saying the Prius is a perfect car, or even a good car... but I think it's a step forward,

yes and hopefully it won't turn out to be the raging successing that those other steps forward were, those silicone breast implants and asbestos... the world stumbled onto a couple of winners there....

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Originally Posted by peedee

One of the upshots off all this is my 21 year old daughter is a part interpreter for TOYOTA and they sell 20 camrys a month compared to 1 prius, tends to show the buying public are still a bit wary of new technology

people just don't like change, thats why it takes years for things to happen so everyone can get over the concept that things can not stay the same forever..

MattyB · 02-04-2007, 05:57 AM

Call me immature, but I would've just lit up the road and left them in a cloud of burnt rubber.

SP.UTE1 · 02-04-2007, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyB

Call me immature, but I would've just lit up the road and left them in a cloud of burnt rubber.

I'm with you mate, let's use up all the petrol/oil thats left in the ground then there is no argument.

out:
BBB

GREGXR8 · 02-04-2007, 06:32 AM

a guy i work with has a pirius for his daily driver (100ks each way to work). says it gives him 1000ks to a tank. he also has a 12month old statesman for weekends.

mcflux · 02-04-2007, 08:30 AM

So, chevypower, what to you drive?

Priuses (Priii?) are NOT good for the environment. Same goes with any new car due to the amount of materials and energy consumed to create them. The best thing to do is buy an older car, as reusing is more environmentally friendly than recycling. I'd say my 16yo V8 Falcon in this sense is more environmentally friendly than a new Prius. Going by that logic, something like an E-series on gas or an old corolla would be the most environmentally friendly choice a driver could make.

"Oh but what about when the Prius is 2nd hand?" I hear you say. I wouldn't touch a 2nd hand prius with a bargepole, to me it's got an oversized mobile phone battery in it, and batteries tend to die over time. Which is the equivalent of buying a car with no rings or bearings left in its V8 and needing a rebuild/replacement motor.

Nashy86 · 02-04-2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by gregxr8

a guy i work with has a pirius for his daily driver (100ks each way to work). says it gives him 1000ks to a tank. he also has a 12month old statesman for weekends.

1000k's to what size tank? i was under the impression they get about half a litre per 100k better economy that a sensibly driven corolla?

WAXBFAR · 02-04-2007, 09:40 AM

1000 km out offa tank??
whatta gazzguzzler, gettit of the planet, 4wd Snizzansan patrolling da Planet doing 1100km/tank, yaeeehh baby!
Should be ashamed of one self crawling inna batterypack powered egg, the toxic gasses from tha battery could ruin your perm and discolour your Bling bling!

mrnsx · 02-04-2007, 09:46 AM

u should have burnt some rubber for them to choke on and then left them in the dust

mcflux · 02-04-2007, 09:46 AM

Somewhere in there I spotted some English

Piotr · 02-04-2007, 10:56 AM

Id much rather a modern diesel over a prius anyday. More power, More torque, the same or better fuel economy, no exotic materials etc. Overall a better package

chevypower · 02-04-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Interceptor

chevypower: your argument of ignorance goes both ways, so be carefull

as for the OP, i think my Sig says it all

your comment would be valid if i was a Prius fan, and said it was better than everything else in every way. Eg if i said it was bigger than a Hummer. Or drove better off-road than a Hummer, or out-powered a Ferrari would be ignorant comments on par with "the Hummer is more environmentally friendly than a Prius".