will an el manual fit au??

Sterling · 04-08-2011, 08:25 PM

ive found a manual EL wagon,

and im wondering how much of it would fit an AU sedan??

all replies appreciated, i really want mine manual!!

cheers

falconhell74 · 04-08-2011, 08:39 PM

yep just need to change bell housing as el to au are diffrent all the rest will bolt in no probs , not a small job though

Sox · 05-08-2011, 07:05 AM

The extension housing is longer on an AU box.

RG · 05-08-2011, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sox

The extension housing is longer on an AU box.

Sox has it, shifter location is different because of this.

MAD · 05-08-2011, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sox

The extension housing is longer on an AU box.

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Originally Posted by RG

Sox has it, shifter location is different because of this.

If you use an E-series box in an AU the shifter will be about 50mm forward of the original location.

Sterling · 09-08-2011, 09:44 PM

hey guys, does the ECU have to be changed? will an ED ecu work?? (im assuming NO but thought id ask lol)

and how would we go about pedal box, could i attach a third pedal or would it be reccomended to change the entire pedal box?

thanks!

Cadge · 10-08-2011, 08:23 AM

I would change the whole box... im keen to know how this goes, keep me posted.

R1XSTA · 10-08-2011, 08:44 AM

Whole pedal box would need to be changed, otherwise you'll have no gap between the oversized brake (auto) to the smaller brake (manual.)

RG · 10-08-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Sterling

hey guys, does the ECU have to be changed? will an ED ecu work?? (im assuming NO but thought id ask lol)

and how would we go about pedal box, could i attach a third pedal or would it be reccomended to change the entire pedal box?

thanks!

ECU is a no go. Either find one from the same model but had a manual or get a flash tune as this setting can be changed.

MAD · 10-08-2011, 10:15 AM

I think you can still do the resistor trick for manual conversions on AU's.

Sterling · 10-08-2011, 10:15 AM

ok sweet, i keep finding kits/parts for older fords, thats all lol. i was on my tippy toes about to buy one (then declare myself broke lol) but i think ill save for a bit longer...hopefully a week or two from now

Sterling · 10-08-2011, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MAD

I think you can still do the resistor trick for manual conversions on AU's.

Whats the Resistor trick???

Sterling · 25-09-2011, 09:16 AM

so what exactly is the resistor trick to let the ecu run manual?

what will the car perform like if i use the auto ecu?

anybody know what the j3 chip for manual conversion is all about?

ANNNND will the computer from an EL manual work on the au??

thanks again guys!!

- didnt want to start another topic for this

FGII-XR6 · 25-09-2011, 10:50 AM

not only can you use nothing but an AU ECU you can't swap between series 1 and series 2 / 3.
a j3 chip is a device that plugs into the bottom of the ECU to change it's settings
your best option is to watch ebay for a cheap ECU they normally go fairly cheap

Beer Baron · 25-09-2011, 11:11 AM

The resistor just stops the fans running full blast non stop. I ran the auto pcm in mine for a few weeks and it stalled maybe 6 times when slowing down.

FGII-XR6 · 25-09-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Beer Baron

The resistor just stops the fans running full blast non stop. I ran the auto pcm in mine for a few weeks and it stalled maybe 6 times when slowing down.

correct the "resistor trick" is a compromise and not a good one at that

Sterling · 25-09-2011, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Beer Baron

The resistor just stops the fans running full blast non stop. I ran the auto pcm in mine for a few weeks and it stalled maybe 6 times when slowing down.

hmm i may do that, guess it comes down to when i can find one.

good to know it is driveable though.

mongrelEF · 25-09-2011, 02:20 PM

The resistor trick is the practice of putting a 1/4 watt, 1.5 Kohm resistor across the two wires out of the ECU which run to the selector switch. This tells the ECU that the gearbox is in Neutral. It's not for the fans, it's for the idle control primarily. Without it, the engine will idle at 1500 RPM unless you unplug the idle solenoid, which often means it won't idle cold at all.
From memory, and it's been a while, I'm sure the Smartshield wasn't introduced until serII AUs. I know for a fact the serI computers are compatible with EFs, I have one in mine as we speak.

Beer Baron · 25-09-2011, 08:16 PM

Mine didnt idle high, it was just irratic and low.

Running an auto PCM in a manual car will put the fans on all the time. The PCM doesnt see the gearbox anymore so it hits the fans as a safe gaurd for overheating the tranny oil.

The way i see jobs like this is do it once, do it right or dont do it.

Sterling · 26-09-2011, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mongrelEF

The resistor trick is the practice of putting a 1/4 watt, 1.5 Kohm resistor across the two wires out of the ECU which run to the selector switch. This tells the ECU that the gearbox is in Neutral. It's not for the fans, it's for the idle control primarily. Without it, the engine will idle at 1500 RPM unless you unplug the idle solenoid, which often means it won't idle cold at all.
From memory, and it's been a while, I'm sure the Smartshield wasn't introduced until serII AUs. I know for a fact the serI computers are compatible with EFs, I have one in mine as we speak.

is that all it takes? otherwise performs normally with manual?

a friend of mine converted his vt commonwhore to manual and said he paid an auto elec to do some sort of wiring stuff to the ecu and it performs likes a proper manual, cost only $120, would that be the same thing?

mongrelEF · 26-09-2011, 10:06 PM

Yeah, it performs like a manual. Basically it tells the computer the gearbox is in neutral, so it disregards the control sets for the auto. Nothing wrong with doing it that way, I've had the same auto computer in two different cars over the last ten years set up like that and it's been fine. Most likely your mate paid the sparky to do just that. I specialise more in Fords than Holdens, but can't see it'd be any different.

FGII-XR6 · 27-09-2011, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sterling

is that all it takes? otherwise performs normally with manual?

a friend of mine converted his vt commonwhore to manual and said he paid an auto elec to do some sort of wiring stuff to the ecu and it performs likes a proper manual, cost only $120, would that be the same thing?

by the time you mess around butchering your wiring you might as well do a proper job and get a second hand ECU they are not expensive if you shop around. any other method is just a compromise