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What a conundrum, Current strategy doesn't work at all, but big *** hole in the economy which needs filling, and the current strategy helps prop it up. Its still low - 1270 deaths nationally out of 26M people, compared to how many trips Australian drivers make, its good odds. |
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It would be interesting to know the breakdown of Single Vehicle Accidents vs multi car crashes how many pedestrians, motor bikes, trucks ect…..how do you target issues without that? Queensland does this, so a start… https://cars.tmr.qld.gov.au/Static/d...ort_Latest.pdf By comparison the USA had 40,990 road fatalities last year and 42,514 in 2022. Yes they have like 340 million population but that fatality figure is x32 of ours and they have a big issue with mobile phone use while driving. https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases...er%20of%202022. |
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No doubt people falling asleep at the wheel of these boring modern air fryers.
Remember when you actually drove the car using the right and left foot, both hands and eyes, no relying on electronics to beep at you while you take your eyes off the road looking at a giant TV monitor in the middle of the dashboard.
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Not surprise with higher road tolls with many drivers these days with poor driving skills and ignoring basic road rules.
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What was the percentage of cars on the road compared to previous years?
I think you'll find if all the factors are correlated it will show that the death toll is fairly static. Population increases. More cars on the roads.
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Although i dont know how much they contribute to the toll, but im sure google would tell me if i bothered.
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No doubt they'll consider more fines, higher fines, and more police
Vicpol's social dividend was only $404 million from camera issued speeding fines in 21-22. I'd be very surprised if agendas did not exist to increase cash flow, all in the name of safety, of course. I doubt GOvCO would issue friendly reminders to "slow down"... https://www.vic.gov.au/revenue-fines Last edited by 383hq; 18-05-2024 at 06:07 PM. |
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Even then, cars are a lot safer in crashes now than 20 years ago, so if the death toll stays the same, cars are a lot better at protecting their occupants so its not ideal. |
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In fact I believe there are statistics out there to show that while deaths are trending down (you'll have years that increase but overall it's trending down) road related trauma is actually increasing. The number of crashes hasn't reduced. People are just surviving crashes that once would have been fatal. This is purely down to safer cars. Anyone who thinks human behaviour can be changed to reduce the road toll is living in a fantasy land ie.. Govco. A large majority of crashes are caused by impatience and irrational behaviour and have been since cars were invented. (likely before then too but horses don't tend to run in to each other) These human traits can not be eradicated.
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Did an interstate trip for work recently (as in last weekend), was driving in both VIC and NSW, people in NSW are significantly more courteous on the road to other road users than Victorians, thats for sure. I did a bit over 600km escorting an oversize load from Cootamundra region back into central VIC, and the people in NSW were way more willing to create space for the truck than the VIC section of the trip. Especially worse when you go out to northern or western suburbs of Melbourne - I go out to die instead of pilot when I'm doing those runs. |
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Every day I drive in traffic where people can't see past their windscreen.
I'd love to jump on the 'young kids these days' bandwagon however from my observations poor driving is across the board. When it comes to laziness or aggressive behaviour it's generally an older driver or tradie. In peak hour traffic with traffic lights every few hundred metres people still try to kill themselves to get one car space further in the queue. One thing that boggles my mind here is people that nearly run in to traffic signs blocking a lane off during road works, even though there has been warning signs for the previous km. I drive through road works ever night. Even with only 2 or 3 cars on the road, massive neon flashing signs, arrows etc, there'll still be cars that don't seem to register that their lane is ending. The only thing that surprises me with the road toll is that it isn't much higher.
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https://www.monash.edu/muarc/researc...ations-by-year This paper might be worth a read. https://www.monash.edu/__data/assets...-361-final.pdf Quote:
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If this offends or upsets you I do appologise but how many ofthe single car crashes are accidents and not an attempt of destroying ones life.
Over here agroup of us are keenly aware of accidents and deliberate crashes
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Unless someone leaves a note, you can't know for sure if it was an accident or deliberate. But I think the latter is far more common than you think or is reported.
Oh BTW the road toll is anyone who's died on a road or road related area. You trip on the gutter and hit your head and die? You go on the road toll. Jump off pedestrian bridge and land on the road? You go on the road toll.
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Phones are my main gripe. Take notice of people as they pass you and you will be amazed at how many have their faces in their laps. Give me someone a few ks over but watching where they are going over someone looking at their phone any day.
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IMO an excessive amount of policing is post-factum, and this emboldens rule-breakers.
There’s so much technology available to improve responsiveness, it’s just not employed - or often not even trialled. What became of the “Passbox” after its brief trial? Five years later, cyclists are no safer. Why don’t mobile speed cameras have live oversight in an operations room, so if the potentially offending plate is identifiable there’s either an immediate flag put on the rego or if the owner has phone contact details with the registration authority they get a text to present themselves and explain ASAP, within a minute or two? Why is it acceptable to prosecute littering on a stat dec, yet a driver failing to stop for pedestrians can’t be similarly fined? Where is the option to “seal” a dash camera and its mounting, so its contents are legally admissible? And I also believe - the safety campaigns need more real carrot. Imagine being snapped by a speed camera while below the speed limit or correctly stopped at lights and that being noted on your driving record, plus legally admissible as evidence of generally responsible conduct. Why are the fines for holding a phone in a vehicle with inbuilt Bluetooth, not cripplingly higher than for vehicles delivered without? Why are custodial parents or guardians of school age children, not fined double for speeding in school zones? And at least in NSW, the Police Assistance Line is all but useless. Wait times are so bad, people don’t bother holding. |
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https://www.bitre.gov.au/statistics/...crash_database and divide by the ABS data here https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/in...data-downloads and you have exactly what you are asking for. I've been doing a lot of this, for my own interest. example ![]() |
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The introduction of seatbelts resulted in an obvious trend downward. Not as obvious, but still there is the introduction of passive and active safety systems to mainstream cars in the mid 90's. ABS, airbags, stability control etc. I note you have the introduction of speed cameras listed however I would suggest that would be a case of correlation not equalling causation.
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my point on adding speed cameras, is that yes, there was an immediate small improvement in road safety, but that the 30 years haven't really shown any more, despite the roads now being flooded with 'safety' cameras.
It's just about impossible to point to one or even two specific things that have contributed to the ongoing reduction in fatalities year on year, but my belief is that it is the engineering improvements, rather than enforcement, or infrastructure changes imposed externally. I did another graph with a zoom. There's no step change apparent. What looks like a reduction in 2010/11 is really just a statistical correction on the high 2009 numbers ![]() |
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I vaguely recall Mercedes Benz coming out and saying something similar many years ago.
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Ran a red and t-boned someone, oops. Anyway, went to court for driving no licence, paid something like $80 for court costs and that was it - magistrate imposed no fine. When she got her licence renewal she got a discount on good driving history, because she had no licence when she stacked the car driving no licence it didn't count ![]() Driving no licence now carries massive fines/penalties, especially if you've got a suspended/cancelled licence. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 18-05-2024 at 11:45 PM. |
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Yep, have done this and it's amazing there are so few accidents for all the occularly-joined people out there staring into a small screen. While driving.
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Really interesting that the 1930s were far more dangerous than the late 1920s, wonder what happened there? Moonshine runners? (hang on it's Australia)
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ACT had prohibition early on.
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If I do 145 in a 100 zone, they'll impound my car. (Or crush it) If I drive without my licence or drunk, I still keep the car. The reason why a drunk driver keeps their car? Because to keep their licence they are required to have an interlock device. No car? No interlock and licence cancelled. Maybe instead of impounding a speeder's car, they should instead limit the car to 100kmh or something.
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With all the electronics and automatics gearboxes fitted to modern vehicles, I guess it will be only a matter of time before they are speed limited by GPS.
Us still driving around in our drug money old sh*tboxes will be getting all the fines to legislate us off the roads.
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