Go Tracey, ACA for the win

flappist · 25-10-2010, 08:22 PM

I can't believe I am supporting ACA but they are hammering speed cameras like a champion.

Tonight they produce the ex head of Victorian road safety who stated catagorically that speed cameras were just revenue earners, contributed very little to road safety and that Victoria is the most speed camera fined place on earth, 10 times more the UK, the shame of Europe.

They then had the head of Vicpol speed cameras on to reply and he made a complete and utter fool of himself.

I hope they never back off and hammer the hell out of these parasites until the message gets through and the bludgers are replaced.

Iggypoppin' · 25-10-2010, 08:24 PM

Missed it, who's got a link? Good comments flapp.

snappy · 25-10-2010, 08:25 PM

It was really good expecially the questioning of that cop . He did look like he was in over his head .
Cant see anything coming of it though .

flappist · 25-10-2010, 08:27 PM

I like the bit where they showed how by constantly looking at your speedo you were over 10 times more likely to kill a pedestrian than by speeding AND HAD THE EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP.

4Vman · 25-10-2010, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

I can't believe I am supporting ACA but they are hammering speed cameras like a champion.

Tonight they produce the ex head of Victorian road safety who stated catagorically that speed cameras were just revenue earners, contributed very little to road safety and that Victoria is the most speed camera fined place on earth, 10 times more the UK, the shame of Europe.

They then had the head of Vicpol speed cameras on to reply and he made a complete and utter fool of himself.

I hope they never back off and hammer the hell out of these parasites until the message gets through and the bludgers are replaced.

LOL ACA have been into them for ages...
But no.. ACA is the devil's own show isnt it...??!!
Everyone keeps telling me they're just propaganda spreaders and do no good??

vztrt · 25-10-2010, 08:28 PM

http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/investigat...camera-insider

jpd80 · 25-10-2010, 08:28 PM

Some of you Victorians might remember this better than i but (quite) a few years ago,
the Victorian coppers did a study on speed and in their assessment the only
people who were considered a risk were people traveling significantly over the
speed limit, a figure of +15 kph sticks in my mind.

Pretty sure it was part of a transport review, pity the Vics didn't listen to them.

About time Gumshoe and ACA turned on speed cameras, maybe someone got pinched?

flappist · 25-10-2010, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

LOL ACA have been into them for ages...
But no.. ACA is the devil's own show isnt it...??!!
Everyone keeps telling me they're just propaganda spreaders and do no good??

Ah yes but even Adolf Hitler did SOME good things......

**SSD-85** · 25-10-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

I like the bit where they showed how by constantly looking at your speedo you were over 10 times more likely to kill a pedestrian than by speeding AND HAD THE EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP.

This is something they really need to exploit. As the pedestrian-killing speeder was the basis for producing the psyche of speed kills in the public mind in the first place. But a government is probably the only collective entity on earth that will NEVER admit to being wrong.

The amount of those ads I wish i could un-watch is incredible.

**DJM83** · 25-10-2010, 08:39 PM

Talk about tripping over your words, the heat was on the Spr Intendent. Good evidence there aswell , but i dont think anything will come of it either

Road Games · 25-10-2010, 08:43 PM

Haha yeah 30-40kph and hitting someone involves speed , but he wasn't SPEEDING ! Gold

jpd80 · 25-10-2010, 08:47 PM

Fancy a senior copper not knowing the difference between Speed and Speeding....

And frankly his lack of interest in the correct definition by the reporter is staggering,
gorilla in a suit doesn't make good PR sense, should have copped a reeming IMO....

vztrt · 25-10-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

I like the bit where they showed how by constantly looking at your speedo you were over 10 times more likely to kill a pedestrian than by speeding AND HAD THE EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP.

They also had the copper say that it changes drivers attitudes. I know what he was trying to mean but what's happened in Vic is the mentality that if 'I keep under the speed camera all will be fine regardless of what's happening around me', which is why the quality of driving in this state in a major decline.

Iggypoppin' · 25-10-2010, 08:50 PM

Thanks Daniel for the link. Yep it's rubbish isn't it, there's speed(where you are moving) and speeding ( moving too fast as dictated by the gov) and sometimes the line between the two blurs.

dannyhilton · 25-10-2010, 09:10 PM

Goes to show every dog has their day, soon Today Tonight will produce a half worthwhile piece of journalism...And pigs will fly. They did get him good though, it amazes me how some people got their jobs.

Swordsman88 · 25-10-2010, 09:15 PM

I was flicking channels and at first Today Tonight (i hate you matt white...v8sc comentator or TT host!) and they were making a complete hash of it in terms of trying to explain the stats etc. Then I flick over and see ACA doing the same story (like they always seem to be doing). Within seconds of getting there i'm thinking 'this is stupid, time to turn the tv off', and then i notice they are making a fair bit more sense. Lots better with the stats explanation, more comprehensive and had paul maric from caradvice on there. I think all those sorts of shows are pretty rubbish (most of their stories are as irrelevant as they are poorly made) but ACA got that story pretty much right. Simple to understand but got most of the argument all right.

Could see that guy from the vic police walking right into that 'speed versus speeding' trap. Funny thing was what he woudl have wanted to say was the 'speeding' was 'too fast for the conditions' (which it is the law makes that quite clear you can get busted by the cops for it even if you are below the limit....) but he couldn't do that because speed camera machines have no brain. They only work on speed limit as programmed into them and then take a picky. Reminds me of a security guard i knew once. He said that 'cameras are great, but only at helping to catch the guy after he's done the damage'. you need bodies on the ground to 'prevent' crime/vandalism etc. Guys on the beat is what is needed not bloody cameras.....

The G6ET Spot · 25-10-2010, 09:16 PM

They had the same story on TT as well tonight. But the report didn't give to the cop the same way as ACA did.

ACA made him look like the complete goose.

4Vman · 25-10-2010, 09:18 PM

Speed camera's are part of the 4 week story cycle.. they also have "cosmetic surgery", "push up bras", "fake tans", "miracle diets", "hoons" and "dodgy tradesman" on the 4 week story rotation.....

Road Games · 25-10-2010, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Speed camera's are part of the 4 week story cycle.. they also have "cosmetic surgery", "push up bras", "fake tans", "miracle diets", "hoons" and "dodgy tradesman" on the 4 week story rotation.....

So gonna follow your post cycle now Norm , between 6.30 - 7.00pm

in 4 weeks time ....

4Vman · 25-10-2010, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DAZZLER351

So gonna follow your post cycle now Norm , between 6.30 - 7.00pm

in 4 weeks time ....

Hang in there, push up bra's and bikini's are due for a run soon!!!

**Elks** · 25-10-2010, 09:43 PM

surprise, surprise, surprise!

I travel 38km to work, and in any one day, just there and back, no extra travelling, I pass through no less than 12 fixed camera's 6 of which are either down hill or at the base of a hill. If I drop the kids at school the number goes up to 14 per day. Add to this that my route takes me through the domain and Burnely tunnels, in which there are several cameras (i don't know how many) in each lane in each direction.

So its not unusual for me to have my speed checked 20 times in a day, in addition to mobile speed cameras or God forbid an actual policeman.

The sense of paranoia here is real, as is the anger at a fine for 104 in a 100 zone, on an empty 4 lane freeway early on a Saturday, it also real. Yes I'm sure the nay sayers here will say it's my fault, I know it is, bit I believe it to be unjust. If I was banging along at 160 id cop it, I don't, you wouldn't dare. But that would be a deliberate act.

Victoria's Chief Commissioner of Police, Simon Overland, was on the ABC this week and stated probably 6 or 8 times that the speed cameras have nothing to do with the police. He couldn't distance himself far enough from them. Perhaps he new this was coming.

Its hard not to cynical.

Edit: But we will no doubt re elect these people.

Noddy · 25-10-2010, 09:48 PM

Make sure you leave a comment at the bottom the page of that link. Give aca some positive feedback. Its very rare occasion when they deserve it.

**Falcon Coupe** · 25-10-2010, 09:50 PM

Today's Herald Sun had a letter from an recently retired senior Vic Police prosecutor. He hammered the cameras and said he refused to prosecute many cases, also called them revenue raisers.

Vic Government is considering suing the camera manufactures, not sure on the grounds though, lost lives or lost revenue .......

I believe part of the right lane hog problem in Vic is people are scared to go five over on a four lane freeway, I have often undertaken the right lane and looked over to see the driver watching the speedo more than the road.

zdcol71 · 25-10-2010, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

I can't believe I am supporting ACA but they are hammering speed cameras like a champion.

I can believe you are supporting ACA because they are hammering speed cameras

Ben73 · 25-10-2010, 10:04 PM

Yes, speed cameras are a load of revenue raising ****, But what you going to do about it? Everyone complains about them but nothing ever happens.

We should have some massive protest where we all drive around at 20km/h one day so no one will be killed or injured on the roads. But then we will get fines for going to slow, even though it's apparently safer according to the government and police right now.
They need to bring in the corn somehow. So they just fine you for whatever they can think of on the spot.

Reminds me of a comment I read last week made by a police office, he stated he was applauded with the policing of roads in Australia. He said superiors only look at the total in fines at the end of the month. and the general highway patrol officers brag about who they fined and for what.
It's pathetic.

**Silver Ghia** · 25-10-2010, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

I like the bit where they showed how by constantly looking at your speedo you were over 10 times more likely to kill a pedestrian than by speeding AND HAD THE EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP.

Hooray, people are finally realising. Except for those that matter with their blinkers firmly in place.

4Vman · 25-10-2010, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

Yes, speed cameras are a load of revenue raising ****, But what you going to do about it? Everyone complains about them but nothing ever happens.

We should have some massive protest where we all drive around at 20km/h one day so no one will be killed or injured on the roads. But then we will get fines for going to slow, even though it's apparently safer according to the government and police right now.
They need to bring in the corn somehow. So they just fine you for whatever they can think of on the spot.

Reminds me of a comment I read last week made by a police office, he stated he was applauded with the policing of roads in Australia. He said superiors only look at the total in fines at the end of the month. and the general highway patrol officers brag about who they fined and for what.
It's pathetic.

If people stopped getting fined they'd pack them all away quick smart... They cost a fortune to run...

Ben73 · 25-10-2010, 10:15 PM

Yeah they will pack up speed cameras and look for other stuff to fine us for.
Then when everyone started to drive at speeds safe for the conditions, they would bring the cameras back.

4Vman · 25-10-2010, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

Yeah they will pack up speed cameras and look for other stuff to fine us for.
Then when everyone started to drive at speeds safe for the conditions, they would bring the cameras back.

Or lower the limits... (sorry Tony, beat you to it!)

flappist · 25-10-2010, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by zdcol71

I can believe you are supporting ACA because they are hammering speed cameras

As my old mate Sun Tzu said "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".

I will support ANYONE who is against social engineering and erosion of freedom and constantly attack those who wish to take away basic human rights.