Mods Mods Mods

TalbotsEF · 29-08-2005, 02:36 PM

By now a few of you may have scene my Red Rocket EF in Show N Shine.

I have only had her for a few months, this morning I got hosed by a GOD DAMN SUBARU LIBERTY - ****ED!!!!

Now I want to do some mods but unsure how to get some more power out of her, you guys may have already worked out that I am mechanicaly retarded!! So help out with some suggestions....

I was thinking of upgrading the snorkel or removing the air box and replacing it with a POD. 2.5" or 3" exhaust system with extractors (whats a good brand? Genie?).

Also pondering a 5 Speed box converstion..has anyone done so? Howd you find the task or did you pay someone to do it? Rough costs?

I have heard talk about CAMS and ECU's, help me out guys....

I live in Blackburn Melbourne, so if you can suggest a workshop I should talk too, please feel free.

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Cheers - Chriso!

stockstandard · 29-08-2005, 02:47 PM

nice car

regarding POD - if you want to use one fit it inside the airbox. If you remove the airbox you will just suck in hot air

As far as exhaust goes, 2.5" is more than enough.

Rough costs for 5 speed conversion is 1000-1500 plus installation

harpsta · 29-08-2005, 02:54 PM

Check out Jim Mock Motorsport (site sponsor, see above), JMM have some great kits with excellent hastle free results. The DEV3 HL kit is a good place to start. Get that in, then see how the liberty shapes up!

TalbotsEF · 29-08-2005, 02:57 PM

Am I better to use a XR8 Snorkel over a POD though? Or maybe both?

2.5" exhaust is the way I will go I think, the CAT scrapes heaps as it is, 3" would be a pain in the **** I think.

As for the box, im going to source one from a wrecker I think and have it serviced or rebuilt. Fit it myself with some help from friends.

What about aftermarket Chips or CAM changes? Money isnt really the issue I just want more power without sticking a turbo on the side, well not yet anyways

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TalbotsEF · 29-08-2005, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by harpsta

Check out Jim Mock Motorsport (site sponsor, see above), JMM have some great kits with excellent hastle free results. The DEV3 HL kit is a good place to start. Get that in, then see how the liberty shapes up!

Doing it now - yeah the engine has so much to offer, its just restricted I reckons!! Even just a manual change over will release so much power.

stockstandard · 29-08-2005, 03:26 PM

XR8 snorkel and good panel filter is all they you need. If you really want a pod you can use it, just mount it inside the airbox.

cams - wade and chiptorque is my preferred combo. Crow, JMM, Unichip are other options. Just dont go wild with the cam until you have a 5 speed or worked auto behind it.

Kenaz · 29-08-2005, 04:10 PM

The manual will wake the car up alot! It will be a whole new beast. The conversion isn't all that hard, and there is plenty of detailed info on this site if you get stuck with something.

By the way, your EF looks mint!

TalbotsEF · 29-08-2005, 04:36 PM

Thanks for the props!

Is there any difference between a normail falcon 5spd and a XR 5spd? I take it either should just bolt on?

When you change a torque chip do you change the CAM aswell? Sorry I have no idea about that stuff...

RUKIDN · 29-08-2005, 06:41 PM

looks awsome mate! wheels top her off..

the boys are right with the 5spd, i just parted with my ea, nothin spesh (auto with 2 1/2 redback) and now got a stock eb 5spd and to compare, the eb feels soooo much nicer and quicker!

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stockstandard · 29-08-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TalbotsEF

Thanks for the props!

Is there any difference between a normail falcon 5spd and a XR 5spd? I take it either should just bolt on?

When you change a torque chip do you change the CAM aswell? Sorry I have no idea about that stuff...

Both the XR and normal box will bolt in - as long as it come from a I6.

There is some internal difference between the boxes but I dont know what it is.

hornet · 29-08-2005, 07:07 PM

Don't pod it.. they are less hetrosexual than a carson!

5 speed conversion would be my first mod if I was you. Small upgrades can be an AU XR8 snorkel, and a 3" Mandral intake.

Extractors, big cam and chip should follow soon. That should see 40% roughly more power.

TalbotsEF · 30-08-2005, 03:57 PM

Thanks for all the info lads, Im sourcing a 5spd at the moment, if you here of a converstion kit for sale or a box let me know...

Cheers & I'll keep you lads posted on the mods, will chuck her on the dyno before I do the mods, see how much I can pull out of her.

mcflux · 30-08-2005, 04:19 PM

Don't get a chip until you have all your other stuff sorted first ;) The chip basically tunes the car to run best off the mods that have been applied to it.

In other words, say you do a 5 speed conversion plus exhaust & extractors before throwing a chip in, and THEN you get a cam afterwards (this is just one example), the cam will throw the chips "optimum" tune settings out, and you'll have to get another chip to suit your new setup. Get all your hardware first before putting in the software, so to speak.

Then again there are most likely to be programmable chips out there, but I'm no expert on this stuff.

-Dave-

steven95falc · 30-08-2005, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by harpsta

Check out Jim Mock Motorsport (site sponsor, see above), JMM have some great kits with excellent hastle free results. The DEV3 HL kit is a good place to start. Get that in, then see how the liberty shapes up!

Guys im a big ford fan but be serious all they need is the turbo and a bit of boost and no na ford in the country will beat them just be happy we can smoke thetyres and drift properly them pffffffffffffft poor excuse for a car four wheel drives should stick to the bush

old_mate · 30-08-2005, 05:18 PM

u obviously aint seen enough drift on TV

they are getting WRX's to cut pretty sick now

I'd never consider any of my Falcons to have been good at drifting lol power oversteer is different

steven95falc · 30-08-2005, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by old_mate

u obviously aint seen enough drift on TV

they are getting WRX's to cut pretty sick now

I'd never consider any of my Falcons to have been good at drifting lol power oversteer is different

if youve driven a liberty dude they aint no wrx hence the guys at subaru dropped them and use the wrx for racing the liberty was never a sucsess at anything im just saying there be no point comparing an old mans wrx to a ford

TalbotsEF · 30-08-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by steven95falc

if youve driven a liberty dude they aint no wrx hence the guys at subaru dropped them and use the wrx for racing the liberty was never a sucsess at anything im just saying there be no point comparing an old mans wrx to a ford

Thats why Im ****ED this ever happened. Liberty's are trash and should see nothing but a red **** with a FORD badge and choke on smoke!! The ford has HEAPS of potential, I just want to unleash it and do it right first time.

I would hardly expect a ford to slam a WRX, unless it had alot of money poored in, I mean power is put to the ground via AWD over a falcons RWD, so it will always be hard to hose a REX in your ford not to mention power to weight...or am I talking trash?

mcflux · 30-08-2005, 06:11 PM

(o/t) actually back in the early 90s the Liberty briefly ruled supreme, when it was a new design. Then the smaller Impreza came along and Subaru figured that smaller = faster (think Torana vs Monaro in 70s motorsport, how the Monaro was replaced by the smaller Torana) so they swapped over to the Impreza.

-Dave-

old_mate · 30-08-2005, 09:06 PM

Yea, a mate of mine has a early Liberty with the EJ20, mild mods (like you would do to any EJ20) and its pretty bloody quick

I agree the later Libertys with the atmo 2.5 isnt fast at all, but still, a hell of a lot of a nicer car than a falcon (my opinion only)

A Falcon can hose a WRX yes, but for every grand you spend on your Falcon, if a WRX owner was to do the same, he'd still be hammering you. If you want to go fast bloke, do what they already have done, and turbocharge. N/A can be good, but who can argue with 250 odd rwkw?

mr_efxr · 30-08-2005, 10:15 PM

Offcourse a liberty would have hosed you of the line, 4WD vs RWD of the line is hard to compare. You probably would have wheel spun a stuffed take-off.
Next time try high-stalling to the verge of rippin a line-lockie, you will take off like no tomorrow.

Oh, do you have enough tread on your tyres for them to actually grip to the road?

mr_efxr · 30-08-2005, 10:19 PM

As for mods;
WARNING: the following should only be done if you plan on keeping your car.

A big lumpy cam - approx $500.00+
Head work - approx $300.00+
ECU (Microtech, Wolf 3d or Haltech) and tuning - approx $1600.00
Manual conversion approx $1400.00+

This should see you hosing majority of cars out there.

TalbotsEF · 30-08-2005, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mr_efxr

Offcourse a liberty would have hosed you of the line, 4WD vs RWD of the line is hard to compare. You probably would have wheel spun a stuffed take-off.
Next time try high-stalling to the verge of rippin a line-lockie, you will take off like no tomorrow.

Oh, do you have enough tread on your tyres for them to actually grip to the road?

Dude - Wheels and tyres are 3 months old...PLENTY of tread. No wheel spin and I did high stall a bit but didnt go to hard to be honest. I think possibly the auto is getting tired, god knows when it was serviced last. Plus I think I'd prefer to get hosed than sit on the side of the road with a busted **** auto haha BUT that still dont make it right

AWD & RWD is very hard to compare, cant argue that mate! Still sucks bein burnt by rice...long live the blue oval!!

TalbotsEF · 30-08-2005, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mr_efxr

As for mods;
WARNING: the following should only be done if you plan on keeping your car.

A big lumpy cam - approx $500.00+
Head work - approx $300.00+
ECU (Microtech, Wolf 3d or Haltech) and tuning - approx $1600.00
Manual conversion approx $1400.00+

This should see you hosing majority of cars out there.

I will be going with a larger cold air intake snorkel, extractors, hi flow CAT and 2.5" exhaust to start with.

The gearbox I am currently searching around for at wreckers, trading post and ebay. I had a look earlier today and it doesnt look that hard to unbolt and remove etc - Grandfather and Uncle run trucks and have a workshop with everything I need. What I save in labour doing the conversion will pay for headwork or cam I reckons. :dj:

If theres anyone interested in helping do the conversion let me know, lots of drinks and a BBQ provided of course - Mates Rates

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XRated · 30-08-2005, 11:57 PM

I'd revise as follows:

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Originally Posted by mr_efxr

As for mods;
WARNING: the following should only be done if you plan on keeping your car.

A big lumpy cam - approx $120 for a regrind - $400+ for a billet
Head work - approx $800.00+ (being generous)
ECU (Microtech, Wolf 3d or Haltech) and tuning - approx $1600.00
Manual conversion approx $800.00 - 1500 (depending on box, and if you do it yourself)

This should see you hosing majority of cars out there.

First and foremost I'd be getting a manual, and changing your diff gears to something shorter ie. 3.45 or 3.7s.

AWD and RWD doesn't really account for acceleration unless you are having trouble getting the power to the ground. They are both very different cars.. I'd assume the Liberty is a fair bit lighter anyway.

TalbotsEF · 31-08-2005, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by XRated

I'd revise as follows:

First and foremost I'd be getting a manual, and changing your diff gears to something shorter ie. 3.45 or 3.7s.

AWD and RWD doesn't really account for acceleration unless you are having trouble getting the power to the ground. They are both very different cars.. I'd assume the Liberty is a fair bit lighter anyway.

Yeah manual is on the list of MUST DO ASAP!! Thanks for the diff advice, makes sense.

And yes weight is a big factor I guess with the two cars, but aside from all this and the previous posts - it still sucks getting hosed by a stock standard liberty wagon. These things shouldnt happen haha

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blueoval · 31-08-2005, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TalbotsEF

.....this morning I got hosed by a GOD DAMN SUBARU LIBERTY - ****ED!!!! ....

WOO HOO Go the Lib! :P

Was it a RS Liberty that you raced?

TalbotsEF · 31-08-2005, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by blueoval

WOO HOO Go the Lib! :P

Was it a RS Liberty that you raced?

Nope, just a standard liberty AWD (No Turbo), just had me on weight and manual gearing I guess - But this will all change within 3 months!!

XR Martin · 31-08-2005, 11:56 AM

Non turbo Libertys are dog slow, I dont know how you got beat by one.
My R31 Can beat them.
Plus if anything, the AWD is a disadvantage on them (unless in the wet) in a standing start because they just bog due to too much traction.

Unless you raced a 3.0L one, in which case it makes sense, those go ok...

TalbotsEF · 31-08-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Non turbo Libertys are dog slow, I dont know how you got beat by one.
My R31 Can beat them.
Plus if anything, the AWD is a disadvantage on them (unless in the wet) in a standing start because they just bog due to too much traction.

Unless you raced a 3.0L one, in which case it makes sense, those go ok...

Well I dont know man, it wasnt a "dog slow" liberty thats for sure! I want another shot, someone find me a Liberty haha

GreenMachine · 31-08-2005, 12:53 PM

Top marks for street racing!

Maybe you should consider buying a better car?