Sydney Motorshow Tezza Diesel

Big Daz · 15-04-2007, 01:35 PM

Hey Fellow Ford Forum Devotees,
My first post so bear with me.
Recently I heard from a Ford salesman that a Diesel Territory would be shown at the Sydney Motorshow possibly for sale to the public at a similar time...
Any truth to that or is it just a salesman talking out his bot bot... Cheers Daz.

**Polyal** · 15-04-2007, 01:40 PM

Ill get to it.

BS. Its in the works...but wont be ready that soon. I wouldn't expect it for atleast another 12 months. But you never know, they might give it priority.

LUXO_8 · 15-04-2007, 01:42 PM

im going to go to sydney MS this year, didnt get to the melbourne one so sydney would be good....
that and i havent been to sydney for a few years

hopefully theres some truth to it, there have been mules getting around for a bit now

JC · 15-04-2007, 01:51 PM

This is totally true - just which year is the question?

**Fordman1** · 15-04-2007, 02:16 PM

I don't think so.

Didn't a salesman tell a member that the GTHO was coming out last year also ?

IMO it won't happen in the next 18 months.

Smoke Pursuit · 15-04-2007, 02:30 PM

Why wont it happen??

Theres been talk of it for the last 12 months so it wouldnt suprise me, whether it will go on sale straight away is another question.

**Fordman1** · 15-04-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LSTerritoryGhia

Why wont it happen??

Hey I may be wrong mate but heres what I think:

1. Orion is FoA's priority right now they have limited resources and all of them are devoted to 'cost cutting' and Orion launch. A diesel motor won't just 'bolt' into the engine bay, it would need new engine bay sheet metal (therefore tooling), and also changes to the transmission etc. Big bucks, & lots of resource.

2. Why would FoA release the Diesel in the current Territory if there is 'supposedly' (as mentioned in this Forum), a 'new' Territory some time after Orion ?

Hasn't Tom Gorman stated something along these lines ? Hmmmmm ?

3. As much as you'd like to believe salesmen really don't know THAT much about forward model programs.

Ok there may even be a current Diesel Territory 'concept car' at Sydney to gauge public reaction (but that may even take the shine away from Orion launch early in 2008).

I don't think a diesel Tezza will be for sale for quite a while after Orion is released - that's why I say AT LEAST 18 months.

I'm prepared to put a couple of beers on the fact that my logic is right.

Outbackjack · 15-04-2007, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MADNC_8

im going to go to sydney MS this year, didnt get to the melbourne one so sydney would be good....
that and i havent been to sydney for a few years

hopefully theres some truth to it, there have been mules getting around for a bit now

There were territory mules in the Alice about 6 months ago. Couldn't tell you what motor was in them, but I dont know of any other territory that needed heat/speed testing in that time period....

BA_Turbs · 15-04-2007, 02:50 PM

Interesting.

We've just orded a RWD SR as my GF's company car, be spewin' if a diesel hit the streets now.

Big Daz · 15-04-2007, 05:13 PM

It may lift interest in the Ford brand, give people something to talk about at the motor show... if it goes up for sale soonish I'd be lining up... I've driven the TD Discovery 3 and was very impressed... if the Territory gets this engine and being the best part of a tonne lighter It'd be a cracker of a drive... particularly if it gets less than 10l per 100k's... hope the salesman wasn't pulling my chain..

WizBang · 15-04-2007, 05:46 PM

The Perth motor show is on next week or so ,so I'll see if it's there (lets hope so ) .
But yer I'm hearing there is a diesel coming up soon for the Falcon utes as well as the Territory ........lets just hope sooner than latter I say

AUXRVIII · 15-04-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Daz

It may lift interest in the Ford brand, give people something to talk about at the motor show... if it goes up for sale soonish I'd be lining up... I've driven the TD Discovery 3 and was very impressed... if the Territory gets this engine and being the best part of a tonne lighter It'd be a cracker of a drive... particularly if it gets less than 10l per 100k's... hope the salesman wasn't pulling my chain..

Don't discount the possibility of the engine coming from Volvo, remember they are in the Ford group too.

Brute6 · 15-04-2007, 06:11 PM

You'll be seeing a Territory with an FPV badge first..........

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**Fordman1** · 15-04-2007, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Daz

It may lift interest in the Ford brand, give people something to talk about at the motor show... if it goes up for sale soonish I'd be lining up... I've driven the TD Discovery 3 and was very impressed... if the Territory gets this engine and being the best part of a tonne lighter It'd be a cracker of a drive... particularly if it gets less than 10l per 100k's... hope the salesman wasn't pulling my chain..

I hope you're right and I'm wrong and a diesel Tezza in released in the next 6 months.

Ford really need it !!!!!!

The vibes I'm getting from all the news in the media and here so far is it won't happen for a while....

How long ? Who really knows ?

Any hints from insiders ?

XRated · 15-04-2007, 09:45 PM

I know this may sound extremely silly, but is there anyway Ford could engineer the I6 to run on diesel? All I ever hear talk of is V6 diesels...

**Polyal** · 15-04-2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by XRated

I know this may sound extremely silly, but is there anyway Ford could engineer the I6 to run on diesel? All I ever hear talk of is V6 diesels...

V6 would mean less cost. Also, IIRC the I6 plant is pretty flat out, and I dont know what the costs of another variation would be.

Also easier for Ford in general to just drop something in.

/imagines the torque from a diesel I6!

ED Classic · 15-04-2007, 11:42 PM

Big possiblility... Its been talked about for ages and with Holden bringing it in in the Territorys competitor (whatever its called) Ford would be well and trully working on it.

Hope its something decent as Ford will end up needing a Diesel for Falcon to compete with Holden who are bringing that Diesel within 18 months they have developed for Commodore with something like 170+kw and 550nm.

XRated · 16-04-2007, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

/imagines the torque from a diesel I6!

Hahaha yeah exactly what I was thinking - turbo diesel I6. A 10-second caravan-pulling Territory.

I know the V6 option would be cheaper, but still curious if that's the only reason why they wouldn't spend time adapting the current I6 to diesel (as you can tell, I don't know what major differences are between normal and diesel engines).

Bucket · 16-04-2007, 09:40 AM

Well they're going to have to pull the stops out at some point...They may be in a different class to the Territory but that hasnt stopped Holden Re Dubbing a Dodgy Captiva Ad to Promote it's New Diesel and having a Direct go at the Territory's Economy.

chevypower · 16-04-2007, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by XRated

Hahaha yeah exactly what I was thinking - turbo diesel I6. A 10-second caravan-pulling Territory.

I know the V6 option would be cheaper, but still curious if that's the only reason why they wouldn't spend time adapting the current I6 to diesel (as you can tell, I don't know what major differences are between normal and diesel engines).

Because a CGI block is lighter than a cast iron block, and 50% stronger, the V6 diesel IS a caravan pulling engine, it already exists - and we can only hope Ford use technology that has already been developed rather than pretend to be diesel experts and say "lets have a go." I have never seen a petrol converted to a diesel as being a good engine. But i do admit if they made a good CGI 4L I6 turbo diesel with 4th generation Common Rail, and made it well, would be a good thing. But realistically, they would be better off going for a 3.3LV6 version of the Discovery 3 motor with about 200kw/600Nm, with a 4.4L V8 option.

XRated · 16-04-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

Because a CGI block is lighter than a cast iron block, and 50% stronger, the V6 diesel IS a caravan pulling engine, it already exists - and we can only hope Ford use technology that has already been developed rather than pretend to be diesel experts and say "lets have a go." I have never seen a petrol converted to a diesel as being a good engine. But i do admit if they made a good CGI 4L I6 turbo diesel with 4th generation Common Rail, and made it well, would be a good thing. But realistically, they would be better off going for a 3.3LV6 version of the Discovery 3 motor with about 200kw/600Nm, with a 4.4L V8 option.

Forgive my ignorance, but what is CGI?

Diesel seems to be gaining popularity in general consumer cars at a fast pace. And finally Australia is taking heed too; which can only be a good thing. As time goes on it seems like a vastly superior fuel compared to petrol (more power, better economy etc), so can we expect to see Falcons (sedans) being optioned with a diesel option in the future? If so, do you think we can expect to say good-bye to our much beloved 4l I6 in several years?

Mark351 · 16-04-2007, 01:04 PM

I reckon a gas Tezza is more likely before a diesel version.

Xitdxr · 16-04-2007, 01:48 PM

For anyone interested, an interesting article has popped up backing up the possibility of a Diesel Tezza this year.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...D?OpenDocument

chevypower · 16-04-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by XRated

Forgive my ignorance, but what is CGI?

Here is a good explanation on CGI

http://www.manufacturingcenter.com/t...3/0903iron.asp

The new Land Rover diesels use CGI, so does the new GM 2.9 V6

**Fordman1** · 16-04-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Xitdxr

For anyone interested, an interesting article has popped up backing up the possibility of a Diesel Tezza this year.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...D?OpenDocument

It says that the possibility hasn't been denied for this year. But if you read the direct quotes it says all energies are going into Orion.

In the end it's just a media story with no confirmation either way directly from Ford.

I think it's a while away from the tone of the story.....

sfr rob · 16-04-2007, 06:23 PM

i hope they do release a turbo diesel terry, I can claim it on tax, haha.

BLDNUT01 · 16-04-2007, 06:59 PM

i got told by 1 of the Quality Launch Assistants that they are working on it and its due out by the end of the year

vztrt · 16-04-2007, 08:04 PM

Whens the sydney motor show?

outback_ute · 16-04-2007, 09:34 PM

They were looking at doing a diesel version of the Falcon six about a decade ago, obviously it hasn't happened. Maybe the Volvo inline diesel engine (5cyl) might be easier to fit than the 2.7 V6 if it has the same problems as fitting a V8

Big Daz · 17-04-2007, 09:36 AM

Both Volvo and Landrover diesels look okay, 136kw and 400NM for the Volvo and 140kw and 445NM for the Landrover... Just that the Tezza already runs the ZF gearbox that mates to the Landrover engine... it appears to be the easiest engine to fit... Guess they could fit a Mazda diesel to it... just hope the big fella gets an oil burner... would make it heaps cheaper to run...