Potential Falcon engines beyond 2010?

[Falcon Freak]

6 cylinder

The Cyclone V6 engine is very disappointing as it has around 50Nm less then the Barra I6 engine. The torque figure is similar to Holden's Alloytech lump.

8 cylinder

The Hurricane engine is an unknown quantity as it is not yet in production. However it has to be better then the current 5.4 litre V8.

FF

[Falcon Coupe]

The V8 will be built at the Cleveland plant....nuff said. :sm_headba

[Walkinshaw]

339Nm, wow, back to 1988 torque levels 3.9CFI.

339 @ 4500 rpm.

60Nm too low, 2000rpm too high. Pathetic excuse for a family 6.

[Walkinshaw]

You also have to think who made the decision to reduce the bore spacing on the current modular line. Seriously, they should be shot.

[andrewts]

If thousands of cars running about dosing wouldn't worry Ford's warranty department, and all costs asdide, the SI6 Engine would be cool.

[Falcon Freak]

Gee that was quick. Somebody has already made a link in wikipedia between the next Falcon and the Cyclone V6 engine.

FF

[sleekism]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_SI6_engine

Anybody for a 3 litre straight six???

The Turbo puts out a healthy 261kw and 451nm of Torque...

It's long stroke.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Triton_engine#V10

Just had to bring up the Falcon V10 :

Seriously Chrysler is in deep financial crisis now would be the time to hijack the new Hemi V8! I would pretend I didn't know.......

[Des]

Here's a Volvo 6 with 228kw and plenty of torque for towing.

[LUXO_8]

Originally Posted by Des

Here's a Volvo 6 with 228kw and plenty of torque for towing.

fitting it in a falcon engine bay may be a slight issue

[Des]

Originally Posted by MADNC_8

fitting it in a falcon engine bay may be a slight issue

Nothing a 12 inch cutter, welder and assorted steel tubing couldn't fix....

[XCSEDAN]

the new V8 sounds awsome!!!!
5.8-7L THATS A REAL V8!!!

[Tles]

The 2008 Mazda CX7 for Australia will be getting the 3.7MZI apparently rather than the 3.5 as is current. Fair to assume the same engine will end up in Taurus X.
I'd vote for a Direct injection 3.7 Twin Turbo for premium with the 4.0L I6 continuing in LPG guise at least in ute, wagon and maybe Territory till 2012 at least.

[Tles]

Fresh from Autoblog .....

2009 Lincoln MKS to get first application of GDI V-6Posted Jul 11th 2007 11:31AM by Sam Abuelsamid
Filed under: Sedans/Saloons, Lincoln



Ford product development VP Derrick Kuzak informed the world during the 2008 model preview recently that the twin-force technology that was shown on this year's MKR concept would go into production in the next two to three years on a variety of four- and six-cylinder engines. What he didn't tell us was which engines and which vehicles.

Well it turns out the first engine from Ford with gasoline direct injection will be the 2009 Lincoln MKS. At launch, the 3.5L V-6 will be equipped with only the DI part of twin-force equation (twin referring to GDI and turbocharging). The turbocharging may be added later, although if new fuel economy standards go into effect what might happen is a reduction in displacement combined with the turbo and direct injection to maintain the power level while reducing fuel consumption. At launch, we can probably expect 300-310hp from the MKS or maybe as much as 330 if the rumored bump in displacement to 3.7L happens. All of this also bodes extremely well for the 2010 Mustang which will also be getting the new 3.5L V-6 as the base engine and will almost certainly get the GDI version

[McobraR]

Maybe there'll be a 4.0L version ready by 2010 if we're lucky. The patrol's 4.0L V6 has like 198kw and 385nm if thats anything to come by.

[BigAL_250]

Well, they have 3 years to work on the engine for our conditions now that its official, so upping displacement to 3.7 or maybe even 4.1 (since the 250X-flow was upped from a 3.3 so no problem) would take care of the total torque rating, then they'll just have to get the torque RPM's down from 4500, ugh.

[mcnamg]

Originally Posted by bigal_1701

Well, they have 3 years to work on the engine for our conditions now that its official, so upping displacement to 3.7 or maybe even 4.1 (since the 250X-flow was upped from a 3.3 so no problem) would take care of the total torque rating, then they'll just have to get the torque RPM's down from 4500, ugh.

Nothing is official so far Ford are saying they are looking at all options but in all likelyness it will happen

[BigAL_250]

next best thing to being official, basically saying that development on the engine doesn't have to be kept secret, they can just go and do what they need to without having to worry about unintentionally revealing it.

[XR6_661]

Originally Posted by Des

Here's a Volvo 6 with 228kw and plenty of torque for towing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbHEPbS9ZeU

I'd prefer this one

[Full Spectrum]

Smaller capacity engine maybe a 3.2lt better on fuel less power but a base model starting point.. I was going to say V6 with I6T for the Sport luxo range but it's going to be hard to fit a V6 and I6 under the same bonnet without some massive gap between the engine and radiator support.

Don't know about the 8's but anything sounds good, The Boss would be looked at better if the I6T was never made.

[Falcon Freak]

Originally Posted by Slick_Aussie

Don't know about the 8's but anything sounds good, The Boss would be looked at better if the I6T was never made.

I disagree. The 5.4 liter V8 gets spanked by the Holden V8s regardless of the existance of an I6T engine.

FF

[Lukeyson]

Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

The Cyclone V6 engine is very disappointing as it has around 50Nm less then the Barra I6 engine. The torque figure is similar to Holden's Alloytech lump.

Originally Posted by wiki

Official SAE certified engine output is 265 hp (198 kW) and 250 ft·lbf (339 N·m) on 87 octane gas

so maybe it will be a little better using 98 octane ?

[FalconXV]

I bet the Cyclone V6 will be a significantly better engine by the time (if) it gets into the Falcon. I dont think it would be a bad thing personally. The low-end torque problem would be offset by the fact it would be a high revving engine that revs so quickly to peak torque it would emulate off the line grunt.
As for the V8, it will have to be spectacular to make up for being stillborn for so long, and the immense ground the competition has made in this area.

[StealthAu]

Official SAE certified engine output is 265 hp (198 kW) and 250 ft·lbf (339 N·m) on 87 octane gas

[bodes-sh]

Originally Posted by Des

Here's a Volvo 6 with 228kw and plenty of torque for towing.

now that would definitely require a bonnet bulge, lol

[bodes-sh]

Originally Posted by stockoau

Official SAE certified engine output is 265 hp (198 kW) and 250 ft·lbf (339 N·m) on 87 octane gas

87 being the american equivalent of our 91...

[andrewts]

Yeah we have terrible petrol in this country apparently.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by andrewts

Yeah we have terrible petrol in this country apparently.

Its not terrible petrol. We use a generous rating system. Australia uses RON (Research Octane), American octane is from the formula RON + MON / 2. MON = Motor Octane.

Our 91 RON = 86.75 octane by US standards
Our 98 RON = 92.25 octane by US standards (their best PULP is 93, so its *slightly* better then our 98).

[andrewts]

Oh OK. Kewel.

[Falcon Freak]

The performance variants are the long term problem. For Orion model there will be no V8 Falcon models as the V8 will only be available on the FPV models. So Ford will be pushing the Turbo 6 cylinder engine for those people who want more power then the standard engine but don't want to go the full monty and get a FPV. If it is true that the I6 will be killed and replaced by an imported V6, then this is a big problem because beyond 2010 there is the prospect that there will be no V8 Falcons and no Turbo 6 Falcons (the way things currently stand).

Did I hear somebody say 1982?

FF

[Outbackjack]

I'm confused.....

http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...-31037,00.html