january motor

rst2000 · 14-12-2005, 02:45 PM

just had a flick through this edition, there have a driving impression of the fpv range including gtp / f6 typhoon and tornado all in auto. pick of the range by a long way is the typhoon :1syellow1 . no performance figures listed tho.

rst2000 · 14-12-2005, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rst2000

just had a flick through this edition, there have a driving impression of the fpv range including gtp / f6 typhoon and tornado all in auto. pick of the range by a long way is the typhoon :1syellow1 . no performance figures listed tho.

last paragraph reads: so, is f6 typhoon finally the aussie muscle car king we always hoped it would be? very probably. in fact, it may just be the best aussie muscle car EVER MADE. all it needs to do is dispose of hsv's manual clubsport. quote

HSE2 · 14-12-2005, 04:53 PM

And they plan on doing that evaluation next issue.

Disappointing to see the GT brand relegated to such an extent that it no longer warrants a direct comparison with its intended rival.

Obviously Motor doesn’t agree the six pot caters to a different mindset, either that or that mindset is perfectly happy to see the GT brand heralded as second string. There isn't much equality going on here despite claims to the contrary, not in the performance category.

Shame FPV couldn’t find it in the hearts to give the GT brand some much deserved credibility.

jspec_sti · 14-12-2005, 04:58 PM

Agree, it's a scary parallel to when us Ford Enthusiasts were told we don't need anything more than an EFI six...

Steffo · 14-12-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bladexr8

Agree, it's a scary parallel to when us Ford Enthusiasts were told we don't need anything more than an EFI six...

Big difference is this time around... the six has this miracle called a turbocharger hanging off the side...

FPV's own fault that the GT is inferior now. Its heavy, heavy and heavy. And doesn't make the power to compensate.

Long live Typhoon!!

outback_ute · 14-12-2005, 05:39 PM

If they are going to do the Clubby vs Phoon, they should throw the GT into the mix as well, at least run the numbers and a general impression

HSE2 · 14-12-2005, 05:54 PM

While I agree with the "Long live Typhoon" comment the rest is a tad harsh.

The GT needs work in the suspension area to compensate for a weigh distribution issue that leads to the sensation felt behind the tiller.

If the P in GT-P stands for package then fair enough but personally I don’t think too many people these days particularly care how the performance gets there they just care that it is there. Sure there is the noise and Motor mention that twice in the small section they gave the GT-P but basically that’s what people are saying. It looks awesome and it sounds awesome and in isolation it is awesome but the F6 is deservedly the performance package and will be tested accordingly by the looks of it.

It’s hard to be hugely critical of the V8 program when FPV have to basically invent an engine in order to compete with the vast options the General can muster, but it is curious given the price structure. From comments on this site the GT-P would seem questionable but a F6-P would appear worthy of head line billing.

Enormous effort went into fixing any and all criticism leveled at F6 while the GT seems to be struggling on with the same journo observations that were made early in the piece. To me that doesn't suggest Total commitment. Perhaps the GT name was a wrong choice given peoples feelings towards that perceived pinnacle?

Steffo · 14-12-2005, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HSE2

It’s hard to be hugely critical of the V8 program when FPV have to basically invent an engine in order to compete with the vast options the General can muster,

But that's the thing... they DON'T have to. They CHOOSE to.

They had an engine available to them full well capable of laying waste to HSV's 300kW motor - it was in the 2003/04 Mustang Cobra. Did they use it? Nope. Instead, they built the inferior (and more expensive) Boss 290. So, like I say, it's their own fault that the Typhoon is smashing the GT.

The new GT500 Mustang will have a 450hp 450ftlbs (336kW 610Nm) 5.4 S/C V8... and they'll have the option of using it. Lets see if they do....

DJL351 · 14-12-2005, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HSE2

While I agree with the "Long live Typhoon" comment the rest is a tad harsh.

The GT needs work in the suspension area to compensate for a weigh distribution issue that leads to the sensation felt behind the tiller.

If the P in GT-P stands for package then fair enough but personally I don’t think too many people these days particularly care how the performance gets there they just care that it is there. Sure there is the noise and Motor mention that twice in the small section they gave the GT-P but basically that’s what people are saying. It looks awesome and it sounds awesome and in isolation it is awesome but the F6 is deservedly the performance package and will be tested accordingly by the looks of it.

It’s hard to be hugely critical of the V8 program when FPV have to basically invent an engine in order to compete with the vast options the General can muster, but it is curious given the price structure. From comments on this site the GT-P would seem questionable but a F6-P would appear worthy of head line billing.

Enormous effort went into fixing any and all criticism leveled at F6 while the GT seems to be struggling on with the same journo observations that were made early in the piece. To me that doesn't suggest Total commitment. Perhaps the GT name was a wrong choice given peoples feelings towards that perceived pinnacle?

Amen bro......

You speak the truth!

Still glad I bought the GT.... not interested in being the quickest any more....
there will always be someone with more money to knock you off the top spot.

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XD 351 Ute · 14-12-2005, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HSE2

Shame FPV couldn’t find it in the hearts to give the GT brand some much deserved credibility.

I raised this issue in the FPV section, as I'm seriously keen on a Super Pursuit though I have reservations because the Tornado is perceived to be so much better overall.

I've gathered the opinion that even some of the V8 GT, GTP and Pursuit owners aren't phased by the fact that their premuim spec cars are eclipsed by their turbo 6 cousins.

To me this is a worry. The original GT was beaten by nothing locally when it was available, and given the EB and EL GTs were a shadow of the former cars, the new BA and BF series cars should be back at the top of the tree.

They promised so much when they were released, and now they should deliver. The cars now need to live up to their heritage more than ever if they are to continue the legend.

If I was a Phase III, I wouldn't be impressed!!!

Ed

XplosiveR6 · 14-12-2005, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

But that's the thing... they DON'T have to. They CHOOSE to.

They had an engine available to them full well capable of laying waste to HSV's 300kW motor - it was in the 2003/04 Mustang Cobra. Did they use it? Nope. Instead, they built the inferior (and more expensive) Boss 290. So, like I say, it's their own fault that the Typhoon is smashing the GT.

The new GT500 Mustang will have a 450hp 450ftlbs (336kW 610Nm) 5.4 S/C V8... and they'll have the option of using it. Lets see if they do....

yes but its all marketing, 4.6l vs 6.0l really doesnt sound too good when marketing an engine, plus they probably wanted to keep forced induction to the I6s. now FPV throwing a supercharger onto our Boss5.4, now, that would lay waste to both the motors you mentioned

Lukeyson · 14-12-2005, 07:14 PM

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yes but its all marketing, 4.6l vs 6.0l really doesnt sound too good when marketing an engine

That mustang has the 5.4lt we use here, not the 4V one i think though

Steffo · 14-12-2005, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_Dave

yes but its all marketing, 4.6l vs 6.0l really doesnt sound too good when marketing an engine, plus they probably wanted to keep forced induction to the I6s. now FPV throwing a supercharger onto our Boss5.4, now, that would lay waste to both the motors you mentioned

What makes you say it would lay waste to both engines? The Mustang engine basically is a Boss motor with lower comp and a supercharger? What's different? What about the Boss is sooo much better? It's a modular quad-cam 32-valve 5.4 litre V8... without the blower.

Steffo · 14-12-2005, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by XR8fella

That mustang has the 5.4lt we use here, not the 4V one i think though

The Mustang GT has a 4.6litre V8, 3 v per cyl, 224kW 434Nm (300hp 320ftlbs).

The upcoming Shelby Cobra GT500 will have a 5.4litre V8, 4 v per cyl, supercharged, 336kW 610Nm (450hp 450ftlbs). For US$39,995....

gtfpv · 15-12-2005, 12:16 AM

this topic is peerssing me off. i might start working my boss 290. if it has so much more potential then why hasn't it or why shouldn't it .

Valknutr · 15-12-2005, 11:47 AM

they build the engines so people can work them, whats the big deal?? stop complaining everyone and go make your engines purr
oh and i wouldnt mind a new GT-P when im older like 45 or something, but since im 20 ill take a typhoon or tornado thanks