WA Hoon Laws - VF HSV permanently confiscated and to be auctioned off

[Pepscobra]

Sorry if this has been posted already:

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...-1227035769034

22 year old doing 180 clicks with four passengers in the car.
The mining boom has a lot to answer for me thinks.

[richo77]

Looks like a VE to me? Glad theres one less peanut on the road though.

[wicksy]

nice senator i'd buy it

[Pepscobra]

Yeah sorry, its a VE, my bad.

[cs123]

How times have changed. When I was 22 that wouldn't have been out of the norm for my peers. I never did anything like that of course...

[blueprinted_xr]

Originally Posted by Nova 8

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And that's why we have anti hoon laws...

[Bushbasher]

Originally Posted by Nova 8

Am I missing something, did he kill someone or something. Lifetime ban and 6mths suspended gaol sentence. Why even pull over, just roll the dice and run.... 180km/hr, who hasn't done that?

Didn't kill anyone but it was strike 3 so game over.

[Lotte]

Originally Posted by Nova 8

Am I missing something, did he kill someone or something. Lifetime ban and 6mths suspended gaol sentence. Why even pull over, just roll the dice and run.... 180km/hr, who hasn't done that?

He'd wanna be getting a lot more for killing someone than a lifetime ban and 6 month suspended sentence. Just sayin'. This is what one calls a deterrent so dick bags like this DON'T kill somebody.

[Pepscobra]

Originally Posted by Nova 8

Am I missing something, did he kill someone or something. Lifetime ban and 6mths suspended gaol sentence. Why even pull over, just roll the dice and run.... 180km/hr, who hasn't done that?

Serioulsy...?
The whole idea is that he doesn't kill somebody before something is done.

[Nova 8]

I was in court last month a guy, and I counted, had 15 counts of child molestation was released on bail, another with 5 counts also out on bail. A guy with 2 illegal gun possession count and assault charges also release on bail.

The court case I was there for where they did a hit and run which killed my mate, they then lied to the police over and over, out on bail and still driving and the curfew and driving restrains lifted so not to cause them hardship. Mere mention of the word hoon though....

[Pepscobra]

I am truly sorry for the loss of your mate Nova 8, but those examples just show a deficit in our legal system, not where we want to be.
The Hoon law is a good thing, I believe. Less idiots on the road, the better. And in WA, you'll know what I mean.

[STINKY NINJA]

Simple answer to that,3 strikes and youre out,this has absolutely nothing to do with molestation or hit and run drivers,no point even comparing,its a straight up 3 time hoon who got what he deserved and im glad hes off the road.
Lets not make this about poor hoons being picked on...
i also agree with Joe about the legal system,its about as fair and just as herpes.

[comagutsa]

and a drink drive gets a slap on the wrist and back behind the wheel only to get caught again and again ... and nothing happens to them.. i think the systems broken
come on hes in the pilbara, port headland .. no where to run as you're in the middle of no where

oh i might add the hoon laws do suck big time .. as its the officers word against you .. if he THINKS you take off from the lights to fast he can book you for hooning ..the list goes on its crap imo
yes doing burnout etc throw the book but if the copper has had a bad day they can pin just about anything on you and call it hooning

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Nova 8

Am I missing something, did he kill someone or something. Lifetime ban and 6mths suspended gaol sentence.

Also remember that a "lifetime ban" isn't.
Firstly, he'll be able to get an extraordinary licence tomorrow if he can prove a legitimate need. Then at some later point (probably the next Labour government) he can ask the minister to lift his ban.

This is more of a "you're banned from driving until you either grow up or grow a brain."

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by comagutsa

but if the copper has had a bad day they can pin just about anything on you and call it hooning

Yes, because that's what police do isn't. There's not enough drug-addled f-wits around trying to kill people with their cars for the cops to chase, so they go after innocent people and make stuff up.

Owning and abusing a car doesn't make one a car enthusiastic, in fact exactly the opposite. Hoons are brain-damaged morons, with no place in our society. Frankly if they only killed themselves and each-other I would applaud Darwin's theory in action.
Unfortunately even hoons are some mother's son.

[tex]

Can someone confirm what the situation is when (if) the vehicle is encumbered by finance, owned by a bank or lease provider?

The operator at time of offence, may not own the vehicle, he mightn't even be the registered owner.

3 times caught he's a dill and deserves a sanction, make no mistake I believe he should pay hard. But can they actually seize, acquire, sell, property not necessarily "owned" by an offender?

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by tex

Can someone confirm what the situation is when (if) the vehicle is encumbered by finance, owned by a bank or lease provider?

The operator at time of offence, may not own the vehicle, he mightn't even be the registered owner.

3 times caught he's a dill and deserves a sanction, make no mistake I believe he should pay hard. But can they actually seize, acquire, sell, property not necessarily "owned" by an offender?

My UNDERSTANDING is that ownership doesn't matter. Most Hoons have their cars owned by their mothers (because they think THEY are the only one to think of it.)

[tex]

Interesting.

So, if an offender (in a borrowed car) for the sake of discussion, something very expensive, and does jail bait speed and gets caught, has a full strike count already, and the registered owner is actually paying a lease on it, it still gets forfeited? Even though its the property of (in this case) a fourth party?

God, govco really is serious about making someone pay

What a **** fight that would be, and not exactly far fetched.

[Nova 8]

The punishment doesn't suit the crime, what were strikes 1 and 2. We have been told to expect a suspended sentence and a 1-5yr driving ban for my friends death, so less than this guy. If this 22yo's sentence was a banned license to be reviewed at a 5 or 10 year period and without gaol time it would seem, to me, more fair. OR gaol, suspended or not and temporary ban.

Picking on "hoons" with ridiculously harsh penalties just because its publicly accepted isn't right. Hoon laws can be, at best, vague and allows police to label who ever they want as they please. Laws are meant to be definitive and understandable with terms explained clearly. If this guy received one or the other (permanent loss of license or gaol) I wouldn't bat an eyelid, I take issue with both.

[Auslandau]

C;mon ...... sick of deleting posts. No one should condone running from police etc. Even if it isnt exactly intended, it isnt wanted on a public forum

[Pepscobra]

Originally Posted by tex

Interesting.

So, if an offender (in a borrowed car) for the sake of discussion, something very expensive, and does jail bait speed and gets caught, has a full strike count already, and the registered owner is actually paying a lease on it, it still gets forfeited? Even though its the property of (in this case) a fourth party?

God, govco really is serious about making someone pay

What a **** fight that would be, and not exactly far fetched.

You may remember (last year I think) the story of a mechanic here in Perth getting done in a Lambo owned by one of his customers. Car was impounded. No if, buts, whatever.

Sure, not a great result for the innocent (that particular time) owner, but that's the law. I'd rather see a few extra people 'inconvenienced' than more people getting away with it and killing others through their stupidity. Maybe I'm getting old, but being the father of small children really chnages your perspective on things.

[Bushbasher]

If it was my car that was confiscated because a so called mate couldn't control himself I'd be reporting the car was stolen. At least I might get it back. I'd also be warning said mate that I'd be doing it too as part of the agreement to lend the car.

[XR6TCraig]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

Maybe I'm getting old, but being the father of small children really changes your perspective on things.

I don't think your response has anything to do with age or being a dad. You are over reacting hysterically due to the media hype that has surrounded hoons and the poorly designed and legislated hoon laws though.

Lets put this in perspective.
More people die on the golf course every year due to lightning strikes than from hoon behaviour, yet I don't see anyone confiscating golf course property due to the dangers involved. Driving like a ccok smoker has been turned into anti social behaviour, which is great, but it is largely a victimless crime with relatively harsh penalties.

Surely a 5 year ban and a hefty fine would suffice, without having to confiscate property. Confiscating people's property just doesn't sit well with me in a supposed fair democracy. I could see it happening in a country ruled by a dictator, but cant get my head around it happening in Australia.

Certainly, many more peoples lived are affected by drink drivers, pedophiles or even road rage than are affected by immature idiots with no brains doing burn outs. Do those found guilty of these offences have cars or houses taken from under them as punishment?

As a dad of two young girls ( aged 4 and 5), I worry about the scum of the world that abducts kids, such as the germ who abducted poor little Daniel Morecombe.
I also worry that they will become victims of sexual assault at some point in there lives by someone they know and thought they could trust and stats show that it's likely that one of them will, yet this is largely swept under the carpet.

I also worry about their future. The changing face of our country and it's economic future as our biggest group of tax payers retires and draws the old age pension? What jobs will be left for them? The amount of debt the nation will carry when they are tax payers, the fact that owning their own home might be out of reach for them? These things keep me up at night.

I don't lose any sleep over the possibility of their lives being effected by hoons though as chances are minute that hooning behaviour will affect them in any life changing way , yet it seems the penalty for this is way harsher and the laws much more draconian for hooning than for real crime!

[Nova 8]

If like the case with the lambo it turns out that there is no guilt what so ever on the owner of the car, which, obviously giving your car to a mechanic falls under. The car should be returned, no question. Who in the lambo case has to pay the impound fees. What about if someone who needs their car, less spare money, gives it to a mechanic and they do burnouts and get the car impound. That person is without a car for doing nothing. Punishment without committing a crime is illegal, if this happened to me I would seek legal representation in going forth with a lawsuit against the police or state government.

[b0son]

How many arsonists have had their homes (or those of their family) impounded?

Way more serious crimes result in smaller penalties. Politics at its finest.

[comagutsa]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Yes, because that's what police do isn't. There's not enough drug-addled f-wits around trying to kill people with their cars for the cops to chase, so they go after innocent people and make stuff up.
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Mate seen it 1st hand ...no me but people i people i been riding with .. you guys here hooning , nah mate we just took off from lights...nah you guys were going flatout off lights ...sorry mate but we wern't .... you left that car for dead.... etc etc all because he had no idea about motorbikes and how they accelerate quicker than cars when not even trying...

[comagutsa]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

You may remember (last year I think) the story of a mechanic here in Perth getting done in a Lambo owned by one of his customers. Car was impounded. No if, buts, whatever.

Sure, not a great result for the innocent (that particular time) owner, but that's the law. I'd rather see a few extra people 'inconvenienced' than more people getting away with it and killing others through their stupidity. Maybe I'm getting old, but being the father of small children really chnages your perspective on things.

they changed the law after that, if its not your car and you get caught and you have a car/bike etc at home they can take that instead so the person who's car it is isn't penalized eg no car cant work

[aussiblue]

Lets put this in perspective.
More people die on the golf course every year due to lightning strikes than from hoon behaviour

Simply not true; death due to lighting strike is very rare in Australia see http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@....2?OpenDocument and download the spreadsheet. One death from lightning in both 2011 and 2012, 0 in 2010, 1 in 2009, 3 in 2008, 2 in 2007, 0 in 20065, 0 in 2006 etc. Don't know how many were on golf courses (or fishermen using carbon fishing rods) but has to be even less. Yet I read several headline each year about a number of speeding street racers killed just in WA.

eg
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/...-death-charge/
http://www.inmycommunity.com.au/news...rash-/7660912/
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/20...0818-eoeb.html

[aussiblue]

But I guess this is another perspective:
http://www.caradvice.com.au/118766/r...-hoons-report/

According to Professor D’Arcy Holman of the Road Safety Council of WA, hoons cause less crashes compared with more responsible, low-risk-taking drivers. He says it’s the majority that matters when it comes to the road toll and says the majority includes drivers that take low-risks on the road, such as those who frequently exceed the speed limit by only a little bit.


Prof Holman says it’s a myth that hoon drivers cause the worst havoc on the roads. He says general drivers who go over the speed limit on a regular basis cause around 3000 fatalities and serious accidents every year, whereas hoon-related accidents account for a smaller number of the overall road toll. He said in a recent The West Australian report,


“We certainly don’t want anti-social hoon behaviour on our roads but it’s the less conspicuous speeding behaviour of the general public that really matters in terms of safety outcomes. We need to target not so much the high-risk behaviour by a few but go after the majority.


“Hoon drivers massively increase their risk of a crash but the bottom line is not many people do that whereas you have many drivers going over the limit, which even by 5km/h doubles the risk of a crash.”

It’s certainly an interesting angle, especially as hoon drivers are typically regarded as the biggest contributor to the road toll as they are the easiest to target.

Prof Holman says figures from Main Roads show drivers have slowed down in the past ten years. In 2000, around 13 percent of drivers frequently sped by 10km/h or more. Last year, that figure was six percent.

He says the speed camera was probably the main cause in the reduction of speeders as motorists eventually got tired of paying fines.

and

CAR hoons are willing to risk their lives by getting into high-speed escapes from police to avoid having their high-powered cars impounded or destroyed, new research shows.

Nerida Leal of the Queensland University of Technology found some drivers were so attached to their vehicles, especially if they had invested their life savings in them, they would try to outrun police.

"A $40,000 car is a reason to run from the cops," Ms Leal told the Australasian Road Safety Conference in Sydney last week. "A $40,000 car may be worth dying over for a lot of young people."


http://Read more: http://www.smh.com...#ixzz3BPbmxztP

[b0son]

Originally Posted by comagutsa

Mate seen it 1st hand

When these laws first came into effect in NSW, Ian Luff, filming a segment for TV was threatened with having the car he was driving impounded. It was only the camera crew with him recording the whole thing that got the cop to pull his head in.