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22-09-2015, 07:37 AM | #1 | ||
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22-09-2015, 08:02 AM | #2 | ||
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Fantastic flashbacks.
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22-09-2015, 08:09 AM | #3 | ||
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No fear of heights there, more for the birds !
The $635 million in todays money to build the empire state building probably would double by the time you add in all the managers and OHS requirements . Long gone are the days of knowing your job and what to do, now it's all box ticking ! Nice pics all the same
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22-09-2015, 08:15 AM | #4 | ||
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Deaths in the workplace, lead paint, cheap labour, those were the days......
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22-09-2015, 12:57 PM | #5 | ||
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Life was cheep back then and people were hungry
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22-09-2015, 02:01 PM | #6 | ||
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Most of us damp eyed nancy boys of the modern era can't get by without our Nivea, let alone stringent OH/S regulations...
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23-09-2015, 05:03 AM | #8 | |||
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If you were to take the time to read the 'law' you would understand. A lot of people (in particular Unions) have impacted on the implementation of the law into workplaces, so if you want to refer to people as "damp eyed nancy boys" then I suggest you look at businesses policies and procedures NOT the law No where in the law does it mention hi-vis clothes, goggles, what it does say is that businesses need to ensure the health and safety of workers (and others), how the business does that is entirely up to the business, they are the ones that will have to justify their decision in a court of law or even a Coroners court
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23-09-2015, 06:27 PM | #9 | |||
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OHS... just one more nail in the local job market. |
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23-09-2015, 06:40 PM | #10 | |||
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23-09-2015, 07:43 PM | #11 | ||
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Semantics. The two go hand in hand. Once you demonstrate an injury is work-related, it falls back to the employer to have taken reasonable steps as required under OHS legislation.
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23-09-2015, 08:00 PM | #12 | ||
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Have a look at the Comcare system. And in the two cases you talk of, any convictions?
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23-09-2015, 09:02 PM | #13 | ||
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Whether an employer is convicted or not isn't really relevant... what matters is where the money to pay for the 'injury' comes from - the employer. Maybe not that individual, but the organization's premium will go up, and the rest of the cost is passed to all other insurance holders. Is that fair when the employer has no scope to reduce the risk (eg. in an employee's home, or in the hotel room they are shagging themselves senseless in)? Again, semantics.
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23-09-2015, 10:25 PM | #15 | ||
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Slightly off subject.. HR is taking over these days ..Its another level of management ..
Think how the Sydney harbour bridge was built ? In 1980 started working in Sydney as a line worker .. The OH&S is much different now . HAC forms to be filled before each job.. Mind you it can be used big time if things are unsafe .. 1n 1980 we didn't even do traffic control when working on side of the road blocking one lane .. Now we have full signs etc RTA approved cert etc..
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23-09-2015, 11:12 PM | #16 | ||
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I never understood the logic of roadside safety in recent years ... they're working behind concrete barricades yet its a 40 zone. Meanwhile, plenty of footpaths with zero protection for pedestrians alongside 80 zones etc. Its bizarre how in our personal lives, we are allowed to assume all manner of risks, but the moment you clock on, the risk becomes unacceptable.
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24-09-2015, 04:56 AM | #17 | |||
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Now before you go off trumpeting, just understand where OHS legislation began, it all stems from the English industrial revolution, where kids under 10 where in factories (and dying in factories). We all look in amazement of the old pictures of men working on high construction, but what we don't see is them dying in the hundreds, how many died building the Sydney Harbour bridge, how many died building Melbourne's Westgate Bridge (in the 1970's)? As a parent of a 17 year old apprentice builder, my son was expected to work at 4.4 metres on a shed construction without any fall protection, my son just wanted a job, the builder just wanted cheap labour, imagine how happy I was when I found it, suffice to say he didn't stay with the builder, and did I report the builder - you betcha Just take a minute to watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e34-1vrcBKg
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24-09-2015, 10:20 AM | #18 | ||
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im a tradesman and ive worked on numerous building and industrial sites. my observation is that there is an issue with ohs offices and tradies. an ohs offices being difficult and hard to work with. sometimes you here "wheres the ohs office, so we can get this done". and we are getting pressure to get the job done. example; we have to cut some steel with a nine inch grinder, the rules are grey, and where not supposed to use it, so "wheres the ohs guy?" sometimes blue collar guys just cant win.
a work mate had a tool hit his head, it fell from a tradesman above. hes a welder, but lucky he had his hard hat on. in order to get the job done, management throw stacks guys at it. but they all working on top of one another, dangerous. there was no investigation and no incident report. no one cares. a site that i visit, last two times there was an incident. #1. i had to cut into a steel pipe for modification. i asked the question (as i always do) is it drained and isolated? A. =yes , heres the paperwork, sign here,here and here. i cut into the pipe and water comes flying out at me (what if it was acid?). no indent report, no investigation. no one cares. #2. same place different time. had water douse us from above. guys above where told not to work there, but they did. investigation this time. someone cares. ohs is all over the place, very inconsistent. hard for me to work with. Last edited by Pis-ton broke; 24-09-2015 at 10:28 AM. |
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To report serious workplace emergencies contact our 24 hour emergency response line on 13 23 60. Quote:
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I am not being sarcastic by posting that number, I am assured by Worksafe that they follow up on every call, anonymous or not, they farm the complaints out to the local offices to investigate
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25-09-2015, 03:16 PM | #20 | ||
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Awesome pics, balls came in two sizes in those years , coconut and im having trouble walking.
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25-09-2015, 05:32 PM | #21 | ||
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Yeah, I love looking at photos like that. Different time, different world. Love early Australian stuff to...........
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25-09-2015, 06:36 PM | #22 | ||
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You see some people work and wonder how they are still alive. It's just common sense most of the time. OHS is a two way street. Your employer can not be responsible for you doing stupid ****.
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25-09-2015, 07:25 PM | #23 | ||
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Section 25 of the OHS Act covers off employees, however it is usually the employer who cops it if someone is a ****-wit, that is the way the law is. There have been prosecutions of employees under Section 25, the most notable in Victoria were the workmates of Brodie Panlcok
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25-09-2015, 08:57 PM | #24 | ||
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How did this thread turn into an OH&S pi$$ing contest??
Men with nerves of steel paved the way for the construction world as we know it, and youre ******!ing about what limp noodle law applies to the other limp noodle? R.E.S.P.E.C.T fellas.... |
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26-09-2015, 05:30 AM | #25 | ||
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thanks for your positive contribution, I am sure your children will appreciate going back to the 'good old days' with workplace safety, hell workers are just a disposable commodity anyway
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26-09-2015, 06:45 AM | #26 | |||
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i guess an individual was their own safety officer bitd. there's some things that some folks don't have a problem doing whereas others see the same as risky. unforunately the insurance industry dictates to the OH&S industry nowadays. |
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26-09-2015, 09:37 AM | #27 | ||
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Been on site's wearing steel caps while working, then when carpet goes down they expect you to take them off.
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26-09-2015, 11:33 AM | #28 | ||
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I think people are looking at this thread with different perspectives Trevor 57. Nobody is wanting to go back to having low safety standards, just admiring the get up and go of people from ages past...
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26-09-2015, 12:10 PM | #29 | ||
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it should be pointed out there were only 4? deaths during construction on he empire state building?
you can take what ever precaution you may like to employ ohs - dont think for one minute that I am against it, alot of it is good - some of it leaves you scratching your head - but there are always the dumb & dumber
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26-09-2015, 01:21 PM | #30 | ||
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Apparently drilling plastic requires a hot works permit. 1.5 hours to do a 1 minute job.
This is where it gets a bit silly. |
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