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24-03-2011, 10:32 AM | #1 | ||
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Hey guys, I know this question doesn't belong in this category but I want to fit my stall converter in my car, and I was wondering if I needed to re-tune my car for it with the flash tuner?
Sounds like a dumb question to ask but I better ask you guys before I go ahead with it.
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24-03-2011, 06:15 PM | #2 | ||
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Yeah you will, shouldn't cost bugger all, but will need to make a change so it doesn't go into limp home mode when stalled up.
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24-03-2011, 06:16 PM | #3 | ||
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Thanks Brendan. Appreciate that feedback.
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29-03-2011, 07:43 PM | #4 | ||
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You need to retune the car. The reason being that the higher stall will have the load changed on your engine and it will have different ignition timing and fuel ratio adjustments to take advantage
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30-03-2011, 09:34 AM | #5 | ||
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Thanks stav that makes sense. Tell me, do u notice a big difference in take off woth a stall?
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30-03-2011, 09:46 AM | #6 | ||
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Stalls are fun Iv got a 3000 in mine it gets annoying sometime as the car almost revs to 3000 before it take off like a rocket if u stall the car right u will launch it off the line well I normally take off at 2200
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30-03-2011, 10:00 AM | #7 | ||
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Cheers for that feedback mate. Thats great to hear. I only have a 2400 stall, but am hoping it will be big enough to make a difference off the lights till boost really hits. My car makes good power from about 2300rpm on so I wanna make sure I remove any possibility of lag up to that point. Would be nice to be able to break traction from stand still too.
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30-03-2011, 12:40 PM | #8 | ||
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Ahahah power skids it's good but my prob is I have to watch it as mine loses traction with no prob
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30-03-2011, 12:43 PM | #9 | ||
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Blueovel.... You should bring your car to melb and race it at heathcorte park at the nats
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30-03-2011, 12:56 PM | #10 | ||
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Let me know how you go Blueoval.
I have been umming and arring about a stall for a long time!
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30-03-2011, 01:12 PM | #11 | |||
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As for drags at Heathcote, I would love to but with work commitments its difficult to consider.
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30-03-2011, 01:14 PM | #12 | |||
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I will provide a full run down on what everything is like when its all fitted, including cam, xcal3, stall, etc. I have an app on my phone that I can use to give a rough estimate of 0-100 times too so I will use that before and after to give a rough indication of the improvement.
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31-03-2011, 08:35 PM | #13 | |||
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So you need a good stall first and then a tune to make the car work with the stall to optimise acceleration.
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31-03-2011, 09:36 PM | #14 | ||
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i should put a 0 - 100 vid up so blueovel can have a idea on what its like if he likes
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01-04-2011, 11:26 AM | #15 | ||
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cheers fellas, the stall I have is a modified stock stall. Nothing special, but hopefully gives me better take off than stock.
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09-08-2011, 02:31 PM | #16 | ||
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Just reviving an old thread.
I went and saw my tuner yesterday to get his opinion on what it would take to get my stall converter fitted and if I needed another tune. He reckons I shouldn't need to and it can be done based on my current tune ok. So with that in mind, Im going to book it in and see how I go with it. Will report back and let you know what the outcome is when its done.
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11-08-2011, 02:25 PM | #17 | ||
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it`s sounds like good thing to overcome that tall 1st gear in these things, , a couple of years ago i talked with a torque converter builder and his recommendation for a nice compromise was a 2500rpm, obviously some guys want it a bit wilder, i will be interested to hear how it goes Shav.
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11-08-2011, 04:04 PM | #18 | ||
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will let you know mik. I'm booking it in for 2 weeks time so Im hoping the 0-100 times will drop at the minimum. But ultimately the engine will be on boost a lot sooner. This could be the best mod I do to the car, if what Im hearing is right.
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11-08-2011, 04:55 PM | #19 | |||
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11-08-2011, 06:02 PM | #21 | |||
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Im not sure what they call it on the iphone but on Android phones its called speed view and its free.
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11-08-2011, 06:09 PM | #22 | ||
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Shav, for what it is worth, I installed a 2600 hi stall in mine - no tune required. Runs like a dream and gets of the line a heap better too!
Stu
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Mine too.. I've got a custom tune live tune done few ago from chiptorque. about 6 ago I got a 2600 stallie fitted, no retune need, never even thought about Limp home mode, never had a problem and yes it halls of the line like a freight train now and I'm getting much better fuel economy too, the engine is no longer under as much load when cruising on the Hwy at 2000 rpm and 100km/h I spent the extra and got a 9" light weight racey version, couldn't be happier...... well with a supercharger maybe
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12-08-2011, 08:16 PM | #24 | ||
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It will go better but go much better if its tuned to accomdate the higher stall.
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15-08-2011, 10:34 AM | #25 | ||
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Thanks guys. That's what I was thinking too. Sounds like something that should have been done a long time ago. So I will get on it.
Stav - totally understand what your saying mate. I think a tune will get a tad more benefit, but with the current tuning situation of mine being a cost vs benefit (i.e. xcal1 ---> xcal 3 upgrade) I think I will see how the car goes with the stall as is.
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15-08-2011, 10:37 AM | #26 | |||
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Good luck & Cheers Stu
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15-08-2011, 10:42 AM | #27 | ||
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Thanks Stu. For some reason I have a feeling this will nearly give me as much thrill as when I fit the s/c on originally. I not counting my chickens yet, but I am looking forward to some good acceleration from the lights, which is what I have been missing since the s/c was fitted.
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Enjoy Stu
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15-08-2011, 11:34 AM | #29 | ||
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haha, yeah a bit of an over exaggeration I know, but we'll soon see the changes. Will report back when it gets done.
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30-08-2011, 06:08 PM | #30 | ||
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Anybody know what it costs to fit a stall in an au?
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