Possible scam on carsales

[S3SR]

I posted my XR8 for sale as im no longer able to support it financially

so anyways a few thousand views and 100 clicks on my ad and some guy asks "Is there anything else i should know that isnt in the ad?"

i didnt think anything of it, just answer No, thats it ,etc

they tell me they need my email address to pay via paypal (which i think is fine minus the fees and it would be awesome), etc, etc

i honestly dont care where the money comes from as long as its bankable

this morning i get an email saying "oh forget to tell you my agent sent me an email and said he wont come to pick it up unless he pays him his agent pickup commission of x amount "


- this part is fine, but im thinking its got nothing to do with me

- next part of the email is its a UK company and he is going to send me $2k more and if i can help him by western unioning it to them via the post office
(again Fine, im happy to still do this, but WHAT does it have to do with me)

so heres the info so far
communication is via email only, no phone calls
payment method is i guess all online, im taking the hold up waiting for something to clear, cheque or personal loan
the UK agent bit is what puts me off



the question is this

- lets play with these cards, what can i be stung for if i continue playing?
(beside paypal fees) can paypal payments be easily withdrawn after payment is made.... ie he pays me, i cash it out (takes half a year to do so) he takes it back making some story up??

- transferring via westernunion, as long as it can actually be done at a postoffice i dont care, but is there anything that can bite me on the bum?

- does anyone know if this is a scam........... and what is the outcome they are trying to achieve?

- do i need to change my email password?


thanks

[ROLLI]

My brother had something like this happen to him when he was selling his car.

Somebody emailed him said they want the car for there agent or some crap said they dont wanna look at it just buy it and offered $4000 more than what it was advertised for same deal by pay pal. He emailed him back and gave him his phone number and said give me a call never heard from them again.

So i think it is a scam so be careful I wonder if carsales are aware of this....

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by ROLLI

My brother had something like this happen to him when he was selling his car.

Somebody emailed him said they want the car for there agent or some crap said they dont wanna look at it just buy it and offered $4000 more than what it was advertised for same deal by pay pal. He emailed him back and gave him his phone number and said give me a call never heard from them again.

So i think it is a scam so be careful I wonder if carsales are aware of this....

Exact same thing happened to me and my car about a week ago. Emailed them told them to call never heard back.

[S3SR]

WHAT? i wasnt offered $4k more than posted price, what a rip!

ive let carsales know everything via email, they cant do anything but inform everyone about it

i just sent him an email asking him to call me, lets see what happens

[ROLLI]

It doesnt matter what you offered you wont get it anyway lol

[GS608]

same thing happened to my mate, they offered him an extra 4k to get it shipped to south africa through his agent they were paying by pay pal as well.

[Thornie]

Western union was mentioned = scam

[Whitey Ford]

If it involves western union in any way what-so-ever it is a scam.

No question.

Your password/account is safe.

The general idea is that your bank puts the money in your account before it clears, you withdraw $2000 and give it to them, then the money doesn't clear and it is pulled by the bank from your account. You lose $2000.

[XRFutura]

A good mate of mine had that happen to him, but it was on ebay.

[BAFalconXT]

I am selling my girlfriends car at the moment. I have it on eBay among other places. I had her email address on the ad, and I was getting 2 - 3 emails a day with people wanting to pay with PayPal, so I removed the email address and havent had any more requests.

Even if they pay through PayPal, you sign over the car, they ship it overseas, they can cancel the payment and tell PayPal it is not as described, blah blah, and you will somehow have to prove who picked it up, condition etc etc. You would never get the money. It is like excepting a cheque and signing over the car before it clears, they can cancel the cheque and you are left in a bad position.

[Director]

Its a scam for sure, I had a similar email when selling my Wifes car, he just wanted my email for paypal, my brother is selling his car as well and has a similar thing, different story but wanting email for paypal. Let carsales know, it only takes a minute and I'm sure they they will confirm this.

[Nappa]

we've had similar things here at our dealership.

We recieved a general enquiry on the sales email

some guy wanted to buy an Escape for his son as a wedding gift.
He asked for the price so he could pay us and get the vehicle.
The first thing that seemed odd was his english seemed off. His emails
didnt make sense. Obvously english is a second language for many people but
with this guy he would say things and contradict himself.

Any way i smelled a rat and asked for a phone number to call him on to discuss. He kept wanting us toc charge a $5000 deposit to his credit card.
However without speraking to him in person or on the phone i wasnt going to run his deposit.

Anyway after numerous emails back and forth. me asking for a phone number, he wanting to organise his agent to come and handle shipping the car.
I basicly accused him of being dodgy and i never heard from him again.

Later we learned that people do this scam to some how launder money.

[BA Baracus]

It's a scam using stolen credit card details, they make payment and it appears in your account then you send them their 2k, the charge then gets canceled by true owner of credit card or bank and payment frozen/reversed. You get nothing but you've already sent money. Western Union is used because they can walk in off the street to receive payment with a number, question and answer. Once they walk out there's no more trail of the money and you've bought someone a lot of Nigerian goats or a trip to 'Arrods.

As an extra bonus Paypal then may freeze your account under 'suspicion of fraud' even though you are the victim. They can freeze funds for an extremely long time under their terms of service on this basis (months and months) so any other unrelated money you may have in paypal is untouchable. This frozen money then sitting in paypals big paypal account would be an nice big earner for the company.

[S3SR]

maybe not.....

:(

[bangm001]

Yeah I wouldnt even waste my time replying to them via email..

[Bucknaked]

Originally Posted by S3SR

ok

HOLY SH^^&&(#$@*&&#@

PAYPAL - you have received $25k
paid me the $2k for agent fees, that i will pay at post office tomorrow and extra $80 for westernunion fees

hmmmm....... i actually dont know what to believe right now

when that money is in my account, i will........

im actually sort of stunned right now, didnt think this would happen

good thing i didnt jump to conclusions hey

It is a scam. I am getting them now for my bike I am selling. 2 different people

1st person and here are the emails

PayPal Only...

--- On Sun, 11/29/09, Dwayne Woodhouse <dwaynewoodhouse@ozemail.com.au> wrote:


From: Dwayne Woodhouse <dwaynewoodhouse@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: RE: KAWASAKI ER5 - $5000
To: "'James Eddy'" <jameseddy18@yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 8:57 AM


Thanks James.. But when your agent comes to collect the bike, he can bring cash with him. Cash transactions only, and cash on Pickup.

Regards

Dwayne

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From: James Eddy [mailto:jameseddy18@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, 29 November 2009 7:46 PM
To: Dwayne Woodhouse
Subject: RE: KAWASAKI ER5 - $5000

Thanks for the response,i am more than happy to see you write back...I am at the sea at the moment.i am a sailor and i really want to make this purchase.I insisted on PayPal because i don't have access to my bank account online as i dont have internet banking, but i can pay from my PayPal account as i have my bank a/c attached to it.I will need you to give me your PayPal email address so i can make the payments asap....pls if you dont have PayPal account yet, it is very easy to set up, go to www.paypal.com and get it set up...after you have set it up i will only need the e-mail address you use for registration with PayPal so as to put the money through.

As for the pick up,my pick up agent will be accessing that and they will also be coming for the pick up immediately the payments have been made to you..Please send me your address so that my pick up agent can figure it out and come for the pick up and other necessary things after the payments have been made,they will also be coming with all the information needed,my details and transferring the name of ownership to me will be done by the pick up agent so you don't have to worry about that.Send me your registered email address with PayPal so i can pay in

Thanks for been nice and considerate

--- On Sun, 11/29/09, Dwayne Woodhouse < dwaynewoodhouse@ozemail.com..au > wrote:


From: Dwayne Woodhouse < dwaynewoodhouse@ozemail.com.au >
Subject: RE: KAWASAKI ER5 - $5000
To: "'James Eddy'" <jameseddy18@yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 8:35 AM

Thanks James for your email.

But it will be cash on pickup.

If you wish to discuss it further, please let me know.

Thanks

Dwayne

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From: James Eddy [mailto:jameseddy18@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, 29 November 2009 7:30 PM
To: dwaynewoodhouse@ozemail.com.au
Subject: KAWASAKI ER5 - $5000

Just viewed your listing and will like to purchase it. I am willing to offer you $5,300 for it,pls let me know if you accept my offer,payment will be through paypal and the pick up will be arranged

Person 2

Hi troy



That sounds great. Are you travelleing with James Eddy. This is the email James sent me

Is he your mate?

Nice try mate. Your scams won’t work round here.

From: Troy Clifford [mailto:troy.clifford@aussiemail.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2009 10:14 PM
To: Dwayne Woodhouse
Subject: RE: About your KAWASAKI ER5

Thanks for the email ,do let me know how much you
are willing to sell to me . I will be paying with my paypal
account which is the safest online payment mode.so please do reply me
asap with your paypal account or send me a payment
request from your paypal account so i can effect payment to you
rightaway. You can easily open an account with paypal if you don't
have one at www.paypal.com.au its safe,simple and reliable also do get
back to me so we can arrange for pick up as i will like it to be
picked by my pick up agent due to the fact that i am out of the
country now on job duties, so no shipping included I await your reply.

Hope to hear from you soon.
Regards

--- dwaynewoodhouse@ozemail.com.au wrote:

From: "Dwayne Woodhouse" <dwaynewoodhouse@ozemail.com.au>
To: "'troy-clifford'" <troy.clifford@aussiemail.com.au>
Subject: RE: About your KAWASAKI ER5
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:11:03 +1100


Hi Troy

At this stage, she’s still for sale

Cheers

Dwayne

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From: mail@nexo.com [mailto:mail@nexo.com] On Behalf Of troy-clifford
Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2009 6:45 PM
To: dwaynewoodhouse@ozemail.com.au
Subject: About your KAWASAKI ER5


G'day

Is the bike still up for sale?

Cheers
Troy

Do a search on google. There will be info on what happens with the scam. I'm getting them from Allclassifieds. They are using dodgy emails.

Remember the old saying, if it's too good to be true, then it probabbly is.

[VioletGT]

Scam Scam Scam and what the hell is the go with emails??? Have people forgotten how to use a land line?

[Bucknaked]

Theres a thread on our local Motorcycle Forum in Canberra. Theres a few floating around

http://canberrariders.org.au/forum/v...103105#p103105

One member has been exchanging emails. These are the posts

Originally Posted by mrnamjama

It's worth it.

I think he's caught on to it now, no response after my last email :/

[S3SR]

hahahahahahahah - sucked in big time........

no loss anyways, just my ego....... oh well who wants a cheap XR8?

[Bucknaked]

Originally Posted by S3SR

hahahahahahahah - sucked in big time........

no loss anyways, just my ego....... oh well who wants a cheap XR8?

I do. Can I pay using paypal :hihi:

[S3SR]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

I do. Can I pay using paypal :hihi:

only if you use an agent in the UK, i dont deal with anyone else :P



far out, planned on going 4x4ing this weekend too in my new truck

[asusdragon]

yeah I have heard of this poping up before, scam, who in there right mind would buy a car with out looking at it???? it either cash laundering or ripping you off. There was a write up in the paper about it last weekend or something. I would just leave it and forward to the cops or something

[marty1000cc]

I heard the paypal link in the email is fake, you end up logging onto a fake paypal login screen. They now have your paypal login details.....let's go shopping.....

[trippytaka]

Originally Posted by marty1000cc

I heard the paypal link in the email is fake, you end up logging onto a fake paypal login screen. They now have your paypal login details.....let's go shopping.....

Exactly what I was about to say. I have heard a lot of it happening in America and the UK markets over the last year or two.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Its definately a scam.. Way of laundering money!!

[vandrsxr6]

same thing happened to me a few months back when I sold the T.

I can't post my email conversation cause most words wont past the swear filter.

[aussie muscle]

If you someone wants to pay through paypal and you listed on ebay, you DONT need to send them your paypal email address anyway. they do it at the end of the auction.

[GavL]

lol, and then eBay take their cut along with PayPal, so even they're making money out of you while you're being scammed :p

[gtfpv]

hang on a minute . i have sold items and received payment with paypal , on the condition that the money is cleared and in my bank, before shipping item . i dont understand why you would take part payment and then allow the car to be gone as paople have heard of here .

[S3SR]

i wasnt going to let the car go without clear title of money in my account, i just said i couldnt care where the money came from as long as it became $100 notes at the ATM

paypal suspended my account on grounds of suspicion of fraud - all good now
westpac were even helpful in notifying me of any paypal payments into or from my account - until this is resolved

i always said id NEVER fall for a scam....... hahahahahaha taken all the way to the front seat of the ride, thankfully thats where it ended

off to the casino now, try my hand at blackjack.... easier way to make $25k