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02-12-2013, 11:37 AM | #1 | |||
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So, which one is it then?
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02-12-2013, 12:02 PM | #2 | ||
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Just another stamping plant and spray shop.
Surely General Motors...errr..."Holden "...have have bluffed us locals for long enough? |
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02-12-2013, 02:00 PM | #4 | ||
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If you where a betting type........... you would have to place a bet that things will get only worse for suppliers, holden is in it for the bucks, they will be out sourcing for all they worth ........ LETS ALL SING ALONG....................footballs, meat pies, kangaroos and DAEWOO CARS !
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02-12-2013, 02:02 PM | #5 | ||
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For once I agree with you...bet you he cant drive for jack either.
Ignore the fool! We should have any article written by him relegated to the 2nd page in The Pub by default.
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02-12-2013, 02:50 PM | #6 | ||
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This should most definitely be at the forefront of the Forum.
These articles are not written with the members of car Forums in mind. They are written for the general car buying public who in most cases have no or very little passion in cars. Therefore if the local product doesn’t suit their needs or budget they see the local product as a dinosaur that shouldn’t be financially assisted from taxpayer coffers. These types of articles only help fuel those perceptions. If we as car people don’t read and disagree with them or even worse, ignore them, how on earth will we know what the general car buying public is thinking? Reading the comments at the bottom of these articles is a chance to get a feel for what others outside the Forum are saying and to add your own 2 cents worth. Like the articles or not, we should at least stay informed even if we believe it to be scaremongering, anti-local manufacturing propaganda. . |
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02-12-2013, 03:02 PM | #7 | ||
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02-12-2013, 03:19 PM | #8 | ||
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I too don't see what the agression against the reporter is in this case. He quotes from a source, the article shows little to no bias or author opinion just quotes from others better suited to make such statements.
Many accuse Dowling of single handedly ruining manufacturing in Australia, by showing an obvious bias firstly against Ford in favour of Holden now against holden in favour of Toyota?, surely biases dont change, facts, figures and stories do perhaps confusing many a reader as to His 'preference' with one manufacturer when he simply reports on a story! I think many 'haters' are letting their Bias get the better of their power to reason. JP |
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02-12-2013, 04:21 PM | #9 | ||
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what report is that??
oh that's right, it a secret!
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02-12-2013, 09:18 PM | #11 | ||
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What is Joshua's qualifications on any subject let alone cars etc.. seen his head the other day.. say no more.
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02-12-2013, 09:24 PM | #12 | ||
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sad thing Australian built Camrys are already more Australian the Commodore is.... the local Content in both cars will clarify that
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02-12-2013, 09:41 PM | #13 | |||
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He’s the National Motoring Editor, News Corp Australia. Love him or hate him, he’s a Journalist who is doing fairly well for himself. Check this out if you’re a Ford Fan. https://twitter.com/JoshuaDowling . |
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02-12-2013, 10:11 PM | #14 | |||
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02-12-2013, 10:13 PM | #15 | |||
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Just a low blow? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he's far more qualified than you for many reasons but two important reasons would be, he can string together words better than you could ever and I would imagine he has driven far more cars (and far more diverse range) than you have. Funny, he was accused of being biased against Ford, then he is against Holden and now he is against everyone?
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02-12-2013, 10:16 PM | #16 | |||
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02-12-2013, 10:27 PM | #17 | |||
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You may say he is only a journalist, but his drivel is read and taken as gospel by the non car enthusiast masses, and his constant negativity leads to poor public perception and a decrease in confidence in Aus made cars which ultimately leads to fewer sales. |
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02-12-2013, 10:30 PM | #18 | |||
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How many here, a forum of Ford's most loyal have bought a brand new Falcon in the last year, then how many here have traded in their Falcon (or other) on another imported Ford (or other make)? If the "loyal" Ford fans aren't buying local why should anyone else?
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02-12-2013, 10:33 PM | #19 | ||
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yeah I know low blow.. just seen that crap written about him on AFF & couldnt help myself. Wont loose any sleep over thou, he is a journo and there often known as leaches, parasites, dogs & perpetrators of the biggest bullshirt stories around etc. back to work now
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02-12-2013, 10:58 PM | #20 | ||
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02-12-2013, 11:00 PM | #21 | |||
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Its the media that's been pushing this 'large sedans are dead' 'people only want to buy small cars' and 'Aussie cars are poor quality' propaganda and over time people read this multiple times and eventually become brainwashed and start to believe it. You cannot deny that the media's influence has been a major contributing factor in the change of people's buying habits. |
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02-12-2013, 11:04 PM | #22 | ||
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It is true thou that the Large car segment is in decline and has been for a while. thou I do think the media can either "make or break" you. In this case, constantly bad mouthing how Australian car sales are declining does make people think there inferior. I'm not going to judge someone who buys a Patrol over a Territory thou in saying that.
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02-12-2013, 11:08 PM | #23 | |||
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The SUV (see Territory) provides families with a far more versatile and functional vehicle than a sedan. These days they're spacious, have adequate power (or more), room to boot and handle like a car. Not to mention there are far more options too in all price ranges. The hatch back is changed so much in the last 10 - 15 years. they have grown inside and out, are stacked with every creature comfort (see Focus, Golf and i30), handle brilliantly (Focus, Golf), are good on fuel and even have scorching hot performance models (ST, Megane RS, Focus RS, GTI, R, etc). Then you have the price of them which are pretty good considering what you get. Most are 5 start safety rated and there is good range for every buyer. So no, the fall of the sedan has more to do with what else is available in the market than anything else.
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02-12-2013, 11:14 PM | #24 | ||
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Sorry Wretched I didn't know he was a relation. I passed year 9 & have 2 trades but an intellectual keyboard master Im not. give him my regards at the newscorp christmas gig
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02-12-2013, 11:19 PM | #25 | |||
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FYI, drive.com.au is fairfax
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02-12-2013, 11:23 PM | #26 | ||
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The problem with Dowling and modern day journalism media ethics. It aint about sharing/voicing the truth, its all about ratings for a fat pay check. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensationalism
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02-12-2013, 11:40 PM | #29 | ||
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OK mate you win, this pub talk is getting to serious now. I will grab my change and leave before the bouncers see that gravity is starting to affect time which may lead to an over abundance of dark energy accumulating at one point. I will stick to removing 50 ton machines from a 5 mtr tunnel that weighs 400 ton from 1 km below the earths crust and dream about buying a Mustang one day. A bit of fun mate, dont take offence, laying my glass down...
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03-12-2013, 10:21 AM | #30 | ||
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