GT-HO Engine Value.

[CSV_LS1]

I know someone that has a genuine GT-HO engine but it's in a bronco. The original car was thrown away long time ago from a previous owner. Anyone know if the engine itself is worth anything?
Thanks

[mustang70]

Originally Posted by CSV_LS1

The original car was thrown away long time ago from a previous owner.

something they must now regret every day..

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by CSV_LS1

I know someone that has a genuine GT-HO engine but it's in a bronco. The original car was thrown away long time ago from a previous owner. Anyone know if the engine itself is worth anything?
Thanks

Anything genuine GT-HO would be worth anything.

[v8falconsrule]

that's the beauty of hindsight, aint it?

as for the engine, something is worth whatever someone will pay for it. if you could convince a buyer into paying more- then that's what it's worth.

it's the same with anything gt related these days, do a search on e-bay for xb-c bonnets. all the fluted bonnets are refered to as 'gt items' though very few of them would actually be off a gt or cobra.

[4Vman]

The engines worth no more than any other cleveland without the car...

[Escort_RPDriver]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

The engines worth no more than any other Cleveland without the car...

thats like saying that an lj xu1 engine is worth no more than any other 202 out there if you can prove it's a genuine engine out of a gt.ho then people will pay big bucks i have a gen xu1 engine my self and you can tell that but the fact that it has JP on the side of the block instead of 202 it used to sit in the vb before i crashed it.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

The engines worth no more than any other cleveland without the car...

Would beg to differ!

Anyone doing an XY GT Replica would pay WAY more for JG33 as an engine rather than just a regular clevo from a ZH, XD or simular!



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[DoreSlamR]

Originally Posted by Escort_RPDriver

thats like saying that an lj xu1 engine is worth no more than any other 202 out there if you can prove it's a genuine engine out of a gt.ho then people will pay big bucks i have a gen xu1 engine my self and you can tell that but the fact that it has JP on the side of the block instead of 202 it used to sit in the vb before i crashed it.

take a breath fella, take a breath.

4vman is right, it may be a HO motor, but if the rest of the HO is gone its not much different to a normal GT, GS, whatever motor. especially if it needs a rebuild...

[v8falconsrule]

the problem with the whole gt craze is that everything is 'genuine gt'....even if its not.

and in reality, for the price of a genuine gt-ho engine, it's just as easy to buy a regular clevo and build it up to be better. there's no shortage of go-fast bits for clevos out there.

[Escort_RPDriver]

Originally Posted by v8falconsrule

the problem with the whole gt craze is that everything is 'genuine gt'....even if its not.

and in reality, for the price of a genuine gt-ho engine, it's just as easy to buy a regular clevo and build it up to be better. there's no shortage of go-fast bits for clevos out there.

your right about that but to someone who's building a gen HO that don't have a gen engine it's invaluable.

its like people offering they old man 5000 for the JP block ( that don't need a rebuild.)

He turned around a said "sorry it's going in the boy's commodore and its up to him on what he wants to do with it".

I'm a short guy so owning an old Falcon is sorta out of reach for me so something like a Cortina or a GTR is as big as i can go if i get one that don't have an engine i have that sitting there all ready.

[nb_351]

thats right, anything thats fitted to it can be bettered anyway... unless someone has the shell that was thrown out with the matching mos then its no real use to anyone...

[XR Martin]

A 'Restorer' would happily part with big dollars for it, and a few years down the track a 'genuine' low mileage HO would appear from the woodwork asking big dollars.

[56L]

Whats so unreal about a hoey engine anyway ?,crappy D block ,would contain 1 set of millions of closed chamber 4v heads made,crap rods ,pistons and rocker gear.
There is no difference between that engine and 1 from a 4v mach1 mustang/torino/ranchero and god knows how many other cars had that engine.
When it comes to the replica thing,people would just get a US Dblock that arent stamped anyway and stamp a jg33 engine number on it and that goes for a ho that needs a missing engine people would just restamp a US D block.

It would be different if that engine had unique parts e.g steel crank,four bolt block but there is simply nothing unique about a hoey engine

[[Tonko]]

Originally Posted by 56L

Whats so unreal about a hoey engine anyway ?,crappy D block ,would contain 1 set of millions of closed chamber 4v heads made,crap rods ,pistons and rocker gear.
There is no difference between that engine and 1 from a 4v mach1 mustang/torino/ranchero and god knows how many other cars had that engine.
When it comes to the replica thing,people would just get a US Dblock that arent stamped anyway and stamp a jg33 engine number on it and that goes for a ho that needs a missing engine people would just restamp a US D block.

It would be different if that engine had unique parts e.g steel crank,four bolt block but there is simply nothing unique about a hoey engine

//waits for 4VMAN to put you back in your cage :

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

The engines worth no more than any other cleveland without the car...

Incorrect.

I don't have to be an expert to say that either. It's common sense.

If you were offered a HO Cleveland and a standard 351C for the same price which one would you take?

[ltd]

The genuine HO would be worth heaps more. To the collector, the genuine HO would always be worth much more than any cleveland. A tracable history and the genuineness of such can command big dollars in the right car; a fake cleveland with liquid paper JG33 engine numbers is worth bugger all.

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by DoreSlamR

take a breath fella, take a breath.

4vman is right, it may be a HO motor, but if the rest of the HO is gone its not much different to a normal GT, GS, whatever motor. especially if it needs a rebuild...

Now why would you start putting other variables (rebuilds) into this?

Obviously what he said is generalised ("The engines"). If he wanted to compare dud engines he would have said so. He said "ANY other Cleveland" meaning that an average HO engine shouldn't cost more than a standard Cleveland that's been at the bottom of the ocean for 30 years.

Even though he said ANY, it's obvious he doesn't mean a 351 that's been sitting 30yrs in brine.

Just like it's obvious that it's unfair to compare specific engines when his statement was generalised.

[DoreSlamR]

Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

Now why would you start putting other variables (rebuilds) into this?

Obviously what he said is generalised ("The engines"). If he wanted to compare dud engines he would have said so. He said "ANY other Cleveland" meaning that an average HO engine shouldn't cost more than a standard Cleveland that's been at the bottom of the ocean for 30 years.

Even though he said ANY, it's obvious he doesn't mean a 351 that's been sitting 30yrs in brine.

Just like it's obvious that it's unfair to compare specific engines when his statement was generalised.

What if the HO motor was the 30 year old boat anchor? would you still want to pay top dollar for it?

[56L]

Originally Posted by ltd

The genuine HO would be worth heaps more. To the collector, the genuine HO would always be worth much more than any cleveland. A tracable history and the genuineness of such can command big dollars in the right car; a fake cleveland with liquid paper JG33 engine numbers is worth bugger all.

Any one of those ho,s that has been sold for top dollar could have a restamped block ,how could you tell if it has not?

Seriously 99% of ho,s would have been thrashed to with an inch of their lives so i guess there would have been a few rods kissing some blocks .I havent seen many for sale with out their original engine they all seem to be matching numbers.

How hard do you think it is to stamp an unstamped US d block ,thats why they are on ebay all the time asking thousands for a unstamped block.In comparison to aussie square blocks they are shockers considering most square blocks are crap.

[montyv8]

Originally Posted by CSV_LS1

Anyone know if the engine itself is worth anything?

Its a Clevo! of course its worth something!

[4Vman]

The HO motors were just std 4V crate engines from the states that were pulled apart and fitted with solid cams and a few extras.. there's no reason for anyone to pay more for an engine out of a HO if the car no longer exists.
If the car still exists then that's a whole different scenario, only a fool would pay big $$ for an engine just because it once lived in a GT or HO that's now gone....

[LTDHO]

I'd buy a black Clevo and 4 bolt main it before buying a HO block.

[OLDFORDNUT]

Originally Posted by 56L

Any one of those ho,s that has been sold for top dollar could have a restamped block ,how could you tell if it has not?

Seriously 99% of ho,s would have been thrashed to with an inch of their lives so i guess there would have been a few rods kissing some blocks .I havent seen many for sale with out their original engine they all seem to be matching numbers.

How hard do you think it is to stamp an unstamped US d block ,thats why they are on ebay all the time asking thousands for a unstamped block.In comparison to aussie square blocks they are shockers considering most square blocks are crap.

you just shot down your own answer ,why would they pay thousands for an unstamped block if a genuine Hoey is worth no more than some dirty old ZH motor..
the HO engine is far more valuable than the others and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves,as for it being made with shite parts, wow thats a big statement,have you ever driven one,ive driven several and they go like a cut kat ,very impressive you dont get that sort of power with out a very well put together engine with very good parts all mateing together in a good package.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by nicholas

you just shot down your own answer ,why would they pay thousands for an unstamped block if a genuine Hoey is worth no more than some dirty old ZH motor..
the HO engine is far more valuable than the others and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves,as for it being made with shite parts, wow thats a big statement,have you ever driven one,ive driven several and they go like a cut kat ,very impressive you dont get that sort of power with out a very well put together engine with very good parts all mateing together in a good package.

People pay big $ for unstamped blocks because they stamp them to replace missing motors for their GT's and HO's........
The value is in "3 number matching" cars....

[smciner1]

Originally Posted by 56L

Any one of those ho,s that has been sold for top dollar could have a restamped block ,how could you tell if it has not?

X-Ray, it has been done before to find restamped Blocks and Body Shells.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by smciner1

X-Ray, it has been done before to find restamped Blocks and Body Shells.

X-ray is about as useful as a letter from FORD. No one wanting to fool anyone will re stamp a block, they'll stamp one that has never been stamped before. Same goes for for the body shells.

As for paying more for a GTHO block....there is a sucker born every minute. They don't go any faster and they are probably the worst clevo block if you're chasing HP.

[smciner1]

[QUOTE=Stefan]X-ray is about as useful as a letter from FORD. No one wanting to fool anyone will re stamp a block, they'll stamp one that has never been stamped before. Same goes for for the body shells.

[QUOTE]

True, if it is an unstamped Shell or Block, but numbers have been stamped over before and it has been found.

[CSV_LS1]

Thanks for the responses guys. It's an interesting argument.
The engine i'm told has 100% proof of being original.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by smciner1

True, if it is an unstamped Shell or Block, but numbers have been stamped over before and it has been found.

That is true, but it's just not something you can rely on, when varifying GTs it's all about looking for multiple clues to tell you a story.

I don't think there is any way of verifying without a doubt a GT or GTHO engine. Common sense tells you a GTHO engine is highly unlikely to still exist especially if the rest of the car doesn't!

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Stefan

That is true, but it's just not something you can rely on, when varifying GTs it's all about looking for multiple clues to tell you a story.

I don't think there is any way of verifying without a doubt a GT or GTHO engine. Common sense tells you a GTHO engine is highly unlikely to still exist especially if the rest of the car doesn't!

Couldnt have said it better myself, you can't rely on single points, but rather a series of clues that tell the story.
A Block with a vin is easy to duplicate using unstamped US D blocks, but things like date codes and vehicle history also play a big part, especially when for e.g there's written proof that surfaces to show an engine was destroyed and replaced, then 20 years on it magically re-appears, with say date codes that are way out (seen it a few times..)!
Again, there's nothing on a GTHO engine that wasnt readily avaliable to re-create it, its only worth big $ to the person who owns the car... once the car is dead the engine is only worth the sum of its parts....