Time to rant

tickford302 · 24-06-2005, 08:29 PM

My daughter was at school yesterday in Kindagarten and slipped over at lunch time,she complained to a teacher that her leg was sore and was told to sit down and rest, when the bell went she had to go back to class where she told her teacher her leg was really sore,thats two teachers now, her reply was that she couldnt do any thing about it and to tell her mummy when she got home. She had to be carried out of school and spent the night in our bed with screaming each time she moved, went to the doctors today and then for an x-ray and guess what, her leg is broken at the top of the femur just below the ball joint of the hip.This is a private school that she goes to and they couldnt even notify us during the day,where the 'kin hell was there duty of care towards the child and to top things off the x-ray showed that there was also a slight buckling of the break because she was left to walk on it........needless to say we are far from happy..............:jab:

dansedgli · 24-06-2005, 08:31 PM

That is rediculous. Have you made a huge stink about it?

tickford302 · 24-06-2005, 08:38 PM

Starting to, hheeellllooooooo solicitors!!!

Decadentia · 24-06-2005, 08:41 PM

Every right to be upset, unbelieveable. Hope the lil ones feeling comfortable ASAP.

jabba · 24-06-2005, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tickford302

Starting to, hheeellllooooooo solicitors!!!

Get into them. Don't give them an ounce of mercy. And when you get to the negotiating table hit them up for $0 cost shool fee's for the remainder of her schooling years.

Again, DON"T PULL PUNCHES. HIT THEM HARD

Matt

bindi · 24-06-2005, 09:08 PM

That is atrocious! Poor little darling :( Oh you must be furious, what bastards. Serious ***-kicking needed. Keep us up to date please!

geckoGT · 24-06-2005, 09:12 PM

Oh boy! that is one school in a world of hurt.
Being a paramedic, I am constantly called to schools to assess kids that have hurt themselves because the teachers are not qualified to give a medical opinion, and rightly so. We do years of training so that we can make a clinical judgement as to the requirement for medical aid, last I heard medicine was not covered at teachers college.
That is no minor injury and I would take a guess at saying that the signs and symptoms would have been significant. I find this story very disturbing as I know the damage that a broken femur can do. There are some major blood vessels that can be severed by a unstable fracture, possibly ending in death if this happens. Additionally the bone itself will bleed (a lot) and can end up with a lot of the circulating blood volume being lost into the surrounding tissue. That is not to mention the pain the poor little tacker would have felt and the potential for lasting disability.
I would be making an appointment with the principal immediately so that disciplinary action may be taken against the teachers (need to get the idiots away from other kids) and advise him that the matter will be taken further.
Get in touch with your solicitor and make sure you have a copy of all the hospital, ambulance and any other documentation that was raised. Ensure that the doctors name is on this documentation and make sure you have a copy of the xray report. Ensure that you go for punitive damages and buy the poor kid something really cool with it, once the medical expenses are covered.

Go for the throat! This kind of situation is totally unacceptable at any school. As for the duty of care, they failed dismally, end of story! I am appalled. Stuff the school fees, that would be nowhere near enough for this kind of crap.

jabba · 24-06-2005, 09:26 PM

I should of said, go for punitive damages and get the school fee's also.

MITCHAY · 24-06-2005, 09:33 PM

Take em down. Its unacceptable in any school especially a private school which everyone makes a big deal about it supposebly being superior to public schools. Although i bet you will find it might not be as clear cut as it seems.

tickford302 · 24-06-2005, 09:34 PM

Failed to mention to that my wife is a registered nurse so they have definatly got a fight on their hands, as with what geckoxr8 said she knows all the complications involved but the school is yet to find out..

geckoGT · 24-06-2005, 09:43 PM

Do not see that there should be any difference between a public and private school when the welfare of the kids is in question. You shouldn't have to pay money to make sure your kid is safe!
Makes me mad reading about it, you must be wanting to kill them?

geckoGT · 24-06-2005, 09:46 PM

Forgot to mention, there is no way that I would be going after free fees, my kid would never step into that school again!

MO · 24-06-2005, 09:57 PM

This is BLATANT neglect and failure of duty of care legislation,do not hesitate to sue their ***** off.
As has been said first hit the teachers,then hit the school its called singular and collective suit if I remember correctly. Just remembered its "individually and wholly".
Even the poorest public school would have sought medical attention IMHO.

I really hope your youngun has no after effects down the track,speedy recovery for your youngun and SUE the bastards.

bindi · 24-06-2005, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by John McMaster

Even the poorest public school would have sought medical attention IMHO.

Yes this is true. At the slightest issue our school (public) rings us to tell us of anything wrong, for instance the day my daughter was at the school sports carnival and on the highjump she landed on her right thumb.

I went to get her and she was ok, just sore. I was thinking about getting her up to the hospital to have it xrayed but had to wait for my son to get home from school first.

Said daughter decided her thumb didn't feel so bad anymore and put on rollerblades and went outside. Yep, you guessed it, she slipped and fell on our concrete driveway.

End result? Bruised (not broken) right thumb in a bandage, left arm in a cast with a fractured wrist!!! KIDS! :Up_to_som

Dodge · 24-06-2005, 10:14 PM

thats no good, but the teacher is more worried about being sued than the childs health, sad .. My 2 yr old broke her arm at daycare she was rushed to the best hospital b4 u knew it

FRDGAL · 24-06-2005, 11:17 PM

I was just telling my sister about this and she happens to be a teachers aide. She says that at her school, even though so often children "cry wolf" and sometimes eggagerate (<-- spelling) their pain, their policy is that if a child has a serious fall and complains of a constant or aggravating pain - they either (depending on severity):

A) call for medics or
B) ring the parent/s and either seek permission to take the child to a doctor or have the parent pick the child up (if parent prefers to take their own child to the family doctor).

That is their policy. I'm not sure if that is a policy applied to all schools but it should be. Schools have a "duty of care" responsibility to it's students. She is shocked (as am I) to hear that this would happen in Kindergarten. I personally would seek legal advice and then go to the local paper.

tickford302 I hope your daughter has a speedy recovery and never has to go through anything like this again!

NAK302 · 25-06-2005, 06:31 AM

i'll move along.............nak's listening to the "days of our lives" theme.

tickford302 · 25-06-2005, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by nak351

i'll move along.............nak's listening to the "days of our lives" theme.

please do wouldnt want you to hang around on my behalf.

b2tf · 25-06-2005, 10:24 AM

I'm all for an apology and reimbursement for medial costs but I think some people who have replied need to take a step back and think.

Admittedly I have never been in a situation like this but I hardly feel running to the lawyers and demanding compo is going to help. As i said, a very sincere apology and reimbursement for medical costs is more than appropriate, but as for this constant money grabbing people seem to be doing more and more these days, well to be honest it ****es me off.

Say that you do take the school on and win. The school would more than likely lose its insurer, meaning they have to find another one. That means more costs, and who pays the costs of a school? You guessed it - the parents. So even if you do get bucketloads of money from the school, what is that going to achieve?

FAR too often these days people will go staright for whats in it for them. People make mistakes, sometimes very serious ones like this one is. But you can bet your **** that ANY half decent teacher with common sense will make sure it NEVER happens again, and as i said, you can also bet that if you do get money out of them, things will end up being worse than they already are.

Same with events - Im organising the AFD for Wagga. If somebody trips and falls, and sues me, what happens? Im stuffed, probably broke (and at age 19 that doesnt appeal to me), the show will never happen again and that means the only person who 'won' as such, is the person who fell over. Meanwhile, Im broke, and all you guys are left without a show to come to cos we cant afford it anymore. Win Win? I think not.

OLDFORDNUT · 25-06-2005, 10:39 AM

back2thefuture,what a load of #@#@.
that girl has suffered and will continue to suffer problems for years to come because of more than one moron at the school she is in.
tell me what the point of insurance is if no one makes a claim for this sort of thing,i find your remarks very unkind as they have a genuine case of damages,their little girl did not just suffer some minor bruising or whatever (which i would agree with your remarks if that were the case),she has suffered a great deal at the hands of so called responsible adults.

b2tf · 25-06-2005, 10:45 AM

Maybe so, but how is a bucketload of cash going to help her? She wont care about the money - it'll certainly come in handy for the parents etc (and im not suggesting anything by saying that either), but as for the girl - ill bet you all she wants is to get better.

Ive got no problem with making insurance claims, what Im saying is that sueing the school isnt going to achieve much.

Bucknaked · 25-06-2005, 11:06 AM

What ever happened to duty of care for our children. Its inexcusable. Please keep us informed. I would like to hear the outcome from this.

I hope your daughter is better and I hope there is no long term effects from whats she's been through. Good luck.

LuvinmyEB · 25-06-2005, 11:43 AM

I'm disgusted to hear about what happened to your little one, unfortunately it's not the first time I've heard of it happening both in the public and private schooling system.

Teachers are becoming too blasé about children's complaints, yes I agree quite a few cry wolf, however EACH AND EVERY complaint should be investigated. I speak from experience, my son doesn't cry wolf very often and was ignored both at a private and public school, end result he possibly needs surgery on his knee for a torn ligament at the age of 13. No footy or basketball for him any more.

When I was in grade 6, I had suffered one dislocated and one broken finger, I was told that they were sprained (how can one finger that is pointing in the opposite way possibly be sprained?

_) and was forced to run in a baton relay that afternoon.

However in your daughters case, I'm glad your wife is an RN and knows the possible complications that could have arisen at the time and possible future consequences. She was a very lucky girl that the fracture wasn't unstable.

Sorry B2TF but she will possibly have ongoing problems in the future such as arthritis and a couple of other problems, yes I'm an RN too and know only too well possible complications. Why should this poor little girl that was ignored by lazy teachers not get compensation for medical cost and possible ongoing problems in the future. I sincerely hope that she does not have any further complications and that the break will heal and she never has to worry about it again.

However if this is not the case why not sue for things she may not be able to do in the future or possible complications later in life (worst case scenario), but could happen.

I would be suing their @rses for negligence (teachers have to know first aid), pain and suffering, ALL medical costs (keep EVERY receipt you have and get), loss of money for fees for her time off school (or if you intend to move her to another school which I would seriously looking at doing) enrolling, uniforms, books etc., etc.. I'm sure a lawyer that specialises in public liability will be able to tell you what you exactly what you can and can't claim for. I would really be going to town on them.

tickford302, I hope your daughter has a swift and a pain free as possible recovery and none of the future possible complications ever arise.

Keep us posted on how things are going.

geckoGT · 25-06-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by back2thefutura

Maybe so, but how is a bucketload of cash going to help her? She wont care about the money - it'll certainly come in handy for the parents etc (and im not suggesting anything by saying that either), but as for the girl - ill bet you all she wants is to get better.

Ive got no problem with making insurance claims, what Im saying is that sueing the school isnt going to achieve much.

It will provide them with the money to get the best care, or at least get that money back without a mortgage on the house.
I agree with you when the claim is for a trip and fall when they run straight to the doctor, in that case there should be no compensation when it is a minor case with no ill effects. But this case is the true reason for compensation and more importantly punitive damages. This child was seriously hurt (don't think you realise how bad) and could have issues from this for a long time. On top of that the child was denied medical care for a number of hours, which in this case may have been life threatening and they were lucky it wasn't. The idea of the punitive damages is not to reward the parents (The money can be put in trust in case the poor little girl is left with some disability), it is to punish the school for their serious failure in their duty of care. It was not a case that they forgot to put up a sign and some idiot tripped and is cashing in, a child broke the largest bone in her poor little body and two teachers denied her medical care. There is no excuse for this and to say that as long as they won't do it again is crap. If they get off without punishment, they will probably do it again. This is not a simple mistake, this is a case of teachers blatantly failing in their duty of care, imagine it was your kid! As far as I am concerned this sort of action is nothing short of child abuse, does that mean we should ask child abusers "please don't do it again" and give them nothing else? So where should the proceeds from the punishment go? Into the government coffers!

Shonky · 25-06-2005, 02:14 PM

Rip 'em.

Thats just digusting. Call today tonight, Local Paper... all media you can think of and nail the bastards to the wall. Sue the crap out of them too...

That way they won't be making that mistake again in a hurry.

tickford302 · 25-06-2005, 02:58 PM

Well,well,well B2TF how quick we are to judge the parents of a child,where did i say we were after money! You mention that you are 19 so you have how many children? If any, then you should realise what we as parents are actually feeling, blood is more of what we are after as apposed to money, and no amount of money can make up for seeing one of your children suffering at the hands of another person,IF and when this evers happens to you you can post here what you are feeling and i guarentee you it wouldnt be to just get an appology.We want the teachers and yes the school as they employ the teachers to be held accountable for this and IF this leads to their hip pocket then so be it.

We have since found out that this is not the first time this has happened as last year a year 1 student fell from the jungle jim at recess and fractured her wrist and was left the whole day without anything been done.
What we want to achieve is for this type of blatant disregard for the childrens well being to stop,and i guarentee that as parents we will stop at nothing until this is done.

To everyone here on FFs thankyou for your well wishes and hopefully all will turn out ok............only time will tell.
She is stoked with all the people here wishing her well,and it put a big smile on her face.

jabba · 25-06-2005, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by back2thefutura

Maybe so, but how is a bucketload of cash going to help her? She wont care about the money - it'll certainly come in handy for the parents etc (and im not suggesting anything by saying that either), but as for the girl - ill bet you all she wants is to get better.

Ive got no problem with making insurance claims, what Im saying is that sueing the school isnt going to achieve much.

The money that they could get can go towards her future, such as stocks and bonds maybe even real estate. Also future operations that she may endure from this accident.

Psycho Chicken · 25-06-2005, 03:28 PM

The people that it happened to last time probably gave up, that's why it's happened again. That or the teachers there are just plain stupid.

Rip em for all they have, that way it won't happen again. All the best to the young'un.

Angry Beaver · 25-06-2005, 03:48 PM

B2tf There are alot of people who are out there to sue for nothing, but this is a very serious injury that was neglicated in a place that we leave our children for a good percentage of their lives thinking that they are being cared for. We are not talking about a simple sprain or paper cut we are talking about an injury that has the implications of major reprocussions in later life. Let me explain. A friend of the family had a serious break in her femur that has now resulted in her having a limp. This break was done in high school (not on school grounds but by a speeding driver). This little girl is going to have a hard road ahead of her with phsyio's etc and they are not cheap nor does health insurance cover the full amount not even half. The out of pocket expense of going to these appointments ontop of the cost of visiting the specialists doctors is going to leave a big enough hole in the pocket of anybody. If it had been one of my children then yes i would be looking for the compensation to pay for all medical costs and future costs that will arise. These people should not be allowed to get away with it. I am not saying that we should all sue for every little thing that goes wrong but this is a serious injury that was neglected hell she would have been in so much pain at school because i didnt break my leg and i can tell you the amount of pain i was in when i did my knee was horrendous. She is a brave little tucker. So as others have said before dont let them get away with it.

geckoGT · 25-06-2005, 04:28 PM

I have broken my leg, in three places after I was bounced over a VK Commodore on my bike (yeah I know, hit by a commodore how sad!). I can tell you it hurt like hell. That girl is one brave kid, she must have been in agony but still got through the day, hope she got a great big bowl of ice cream after that.
Tickford 302, give her my best and tell her I hope she gets better real soon. If she gets a cast (I hope so and not internal fixation), tell her she has to get a coloured one, pink is good. Please let us know how she does, we are all worried about her.