cop GT

aimzes · 06-09-2005, 04:46 PM

a mate was in a servo last night filling up when this BA GT pulled up. he was checking it out when he noticed the red and blue lights in the back window. a cop jumped out and they were having a chat. aparently its a V8 XT with the GT kit on it. all he does is cruise around the traffic and people try to race him thinking its some bloke out for a cruise in this new GT. obviously theyd have about 10 seconds of glory thinking they smoked a GT off the line then the lights come on.

lol. so watch out in sth west sydney.

BTTB · 06-09-2005, 04:50 PM

I hate it when they do that crap... fair enough to nab someone hwen they are being a ******** ... but I draw the line at entrapment

aimzes · 06-09-2005, 04:52 PM

lol yeah i know. what a job though, heres a V8 falcon with a GT kit. cruise around a pick up speeders.

still ive been pulled up by a tarago... did not expect that one.

Sagerian · 06-09-2005, 04:58 PM

Cheeky pricks.

4Vman · 06-09-2005, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by aimzes

a mate was in a servo last night filling up when this BA GT pulled up. he was checking it out when he noticed the red and blue lights in the back window. a cop jumped out and they were having a chat. aparently its a V8 XT with the GT kit on it. all he does is cruise around the traffic and people try to race him thinking its some bloke out for a cruise in this new GT. obviously theyd have about 10 seconds of glory thinking they smoked a GT off the line then the lights come on.

lol. so watch out in sth west sydney.

Hmmm.. are you sure it was a XT with GT bodykit??? i thought you had to own a GT you get bodykit parts? It sounds like allot of trouble and extra expense for the Police to go to for the purposes of what they're trying to achieve, wouldn't it make more sence to just use an XR8?
At least it wouldnt require mods and the resale would be better?
I know for a fact Police WILL NOT try to "drag" you or encourage you to do this. They have a "no chase" policy now..

Steffo · 06-09-2005, 05:11 PM

Far as I know, its illegal for them to do that. To provoke/encourage one to break the law, and/or break the law to catch you... etc etc. Entrapment? Or something like that anyway.

aimzes · 06-09-2005, 05:17 PM

well he didnt (according to my mate) reckon that he encouraged anyone to race him. he pulled up at the lights, they took off fast so he pulled them up. i dont know wether to believe this or not. but i havent seen him in action so i really couldnt say.

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Hmmm.. are you sure it was a XT with GT bodykit???

thats what the cop told my mate.

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i thought you had to own a GT you get bodykit parts?

you can get the whole kit (repro) but ford might do this for the cops? who knows. im just telling you guys what a cop told my mate.

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for the purposes of what they're trying to achieve wouldnt it make more sence to just use an XR8?

yes it would. lol.

Bucknaked · 06-09-2005, 05:20 PM

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i thought you had to own a GT you get bodykit parts?

The government can do what they like. Especially when they say to Ford Australia, we are buying Holden now. Think Holden will happily supply an HSV kit for a few Acclaims.

Sagerian · 06-09-2005, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Far as I know, its illegal for them to do that. To provoke/encourage one to break the law, and/or break the law to catch you... etc etc. Entrapment? Or something like that anyway.

*Cough* Cops driving clubsports with P plates on *cough*

Oh, entrapment is illegal by the way. Do you really think the cops won't get away with it?

nang3 · 06-09-2005, 05:30 PM

its not entrapment if he just cruises around waiting for people to drag him... hes not like hes leanin out the window yelling "give ya a drag mofo?"

although its still low and scummy to do that..

RED_EL_XR8 · 06-09-2005, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by aimzes

well he didnt (according to my mate) reckon that he encouraged anyone to race him. he pulled up at the lights, they took off fast so he pulled them up. i dont know wether to believe this or not. but i havent seen him in action so i really couldnt say.

It's a statistical fact that Mates are are reliable as Uncles when quoting urban myths!

**Bluehoon** · 06-09-2005, 05:45 PM

Is it entrapment, or is it a test car????

There are numerous things cops do to get us.

I have seen Merc Silver turbos with shades, reverse sensors, and tow packs. All dressed up like the Mrs Car.

At the end of the day, you are speeding and breaking the law aren't you???

Yes it sux what the bastards do, but we still speed regardless....

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Just pick who you run and where you speed with caution.
i.e. silly try M4 at Parramatta on a Saturday night

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b2tf · 06-09-2005, 05:54 PM

Highly unlikely it was an XT with GT kit - i dare say constable plod was having you on. I asked a cop in an unmarked XR6T what he thought of the car - even though it clearly had turbo badges on it, he still said "oh not much, its not a turbo so it's no good".

FPV GT · 06-09-2005, 05:58 PM

There is a smart **** copper down in Wollongong who tries and gets you to race him in his private vehicle ( a BA ute). He then flashes the badge at ya.

Regards

Paul

BOSS 540 · 06-09-2005, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV GT

There is a smart **** copper down in Wollongong who tries and gets you to race him in his private vehicle ( a BA ute). He then flashes the badge at ya.

Regards

Paul

Thanks Paul, Ill remember that one. A few years ago I did get pulled over by an unmarked commodore with a USC body kit though.

XA-Coupe · 06-09-2005, 06:25 PM

Entrapment is not a defence under any australian law.
If you can prove a course of action that was leading you on you might get some leniency. We are supposed to be adult enough to resist temptation.

nang3 · 06-09-2005, 06:28 PM

heheh thats true XA Coupe, but when it comes to cars i dont think any of us could be classed as adults hehehehehe.. otherwise they would be strictly A-B transport devices..

Sagerian · 06-09-2005, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by XA Coupe

Entrapment is not a defence under any australian law.
If you can prove a course of action that was leading you on you might get some leniency. We are supposed to be adult enough to resist temptation.

If we're going to get technical (which I love doing just to be a sh*t by the way), there would be extreame cases where this would be a defence. Not all cops are on the straight and narrow ya know, they're people too.

4Vman · 06-09-2005, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sagerian

If we're going to get technical (which I love doing just to be a sh*t by the way), there would be extreame cases where this would be a defence. Not all cops are on the straight and narrow ya know, they're people too.

I sense a hint of anarchy?!! :Reverend: Have you had some issue with the laws and police? :Reverend:

XA-Coupe · 06-09-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sagerian

If we're going to get technical (which I love doing just to be a sh*t by the way), there would be extreame cases where this would be a defence. Not all cops are on the straight and narrow ya know, they're people too.

lol, if you want to get technical.. you are wrong. It's not a defence at all in any way shape or form no matter how extreme. I know more than most what cops are and aren't .. and I am also well aware that they aren't all straight and narrow too. Like any job there are plenty of cretins there too.

galaxy xr8 · 06-09-2005, 07:05 PM

The Ford guy's get ripped off, the Holden guy's get to do it in style in a HSV GTO coupe, we only get a XT with a kit, lol.

dogbreath_48 · 06-09-2005, 07:06 PM

It is amazing the lengths they'll go to. I thought stories of a dumped SS with '000 racing' stickers was pretty extreme, now this! I am surprised they tarted up an XT rather than an XR8 though, it's not like they're too cheap to buy the XR's (i.e. plenty of them out there).
Dunno about it being unfair...if you street race you accept the concequences.

Does anyone know if they use NA XR6's? I got pulled up a while ago and didn't think it was a turbo, but i've never seen a non turbo since. Just curious that's all!

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The Ford guy's get ripped off, the Holden guy's get to do it in style in a HSV GTO coupe, we only get a XT with a kit, lol.

It's all for show though, don't think they really use it do they? Bit like the BMW Z they had.

Does anyone know if the turbo saab is still kicking 'round?

-Stu

Sagerian · 06-09-2005, 07:11 PM

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The Ford guy's get ripped off, the Holden guy's get to do it in style in a HSV GTO coupe, we only get a XT with a kit, lol.

*yawn* You can't sit there and tell me it doesn't happen.

In most cases, you are right, but flat out stating I'm wrong is just naive. If you can prove you were not going to commit the crime had the police not interfered, that's a defence for entrapment (look it up). If an undercover cop was harrasing you and you defended yourself, then he arrested you for assault, I'd say that's entrapment, just as an example.

Feel free to PM me if you disagree, as I think we're getting off topic.

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Does anyone know if they use NA XR6's? I got pulled up a while ago and didn't think it was a turbo, but i've never seen a non turbo since. Just curious that's all!

Yes I've seen NA and Turbo 6's. Only XR8's I've seen are marked though.

Valknutr · 06-09-2005, 07:12 PM

they do use NA XR6 i have seen 1 around the illawarra and thats it. The way i see it if you race you face the consequences. Also might be a hard point to prove but if you are in the right circumstances you are allowed to accelerate as hard as you want and not get pinged for it (unless you cause a burnout or accident or something because of your actions)

XA-Coupe · 06-09-2005, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sagerian

*yawn* You can't sit there and tell me it doesn't happen.

In most cases, you are right, but flat out stating I'm wrong is just naive. If you can prove you were not going to commit the crime had the police not interfered, that's a defence for entrapment (look it up). If an undercover cop was harrasing you and you defended yourself, then he arrested you for assault, I'd say that's entrapment, just as an example.

umm, did I say it doesn't happen. I am telling you, as a fact, that entrapment isn't a legal defence in australia. However, if you still don't believe me.. go and try your theory, it should provide me, the cops and the courts with a laugh.

If an undercover cop was harassing you and you defended yourself, you just comitted the offence of Assaulting Police.
You can believe what you like but the bush lawyer will will bit you on the butt one day.

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Sagerian · 06-09-2005, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Valknutr

they do use NA XR6 i have seen 1 around the illawarra and thats it. The way i see it if you race you face the consequences. Also might be a hard point to prove but if you are in the right circumstances you are allowed to accelerate as hard as you want and not get pinged for it (unless you cause a burnout or accident or something because of your actions)

My dad got off a fine on the bike once as he was on the expressway and a whole heap of cars in front of him hit the brakes because they saw a cop standing in the distance with his radar... all saw it except the car behind who was about to squash my dad. Dad darted into the brakedown lane and of course he got pulled over and fined. Not exactly entrapment but some cops just drool and smell meat soemtimes. *sigh*

4Vman · 06-09-2005, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sagerian

*yawn* You can't sit there and tell me it doesn't happen.

In most cases, you are right, but flat out stating I'm wrong is just naive. If you can prove you were not going to commit the crime had the police not interfered, that's a defence for entrapment (look it up). If an undercover cop was harrasing you and you defended yourself, then he arrested you for assault, I'd say that's entrapment, just as an example.

Feel free to PM me if you disagree, as I think we're getting off topic.

Very synical... Cops don't go around picking on the innocent, morons normally provoke trouble and end up bleeting "harrasment" when they get caught.
There's no way a cop would try to bait you into draging, thats an absurd idea!
If you're stupid enough to inadvertantly try to drag an undercover cop car then thats you're fault for braking the law and being a total dumb ****!!..

XA-Coupe · 06-09-2005, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sagerian

My dad got off a fine on the bike once as he was on the expressway and a whole heap of cars in front of him hit the brakes because they saw a cop standing in the distance with his radar... all saw it except the car behind who was about to squash my dad. Dad darted into the brakedown lane and of course he got pulled over and fined. Not exactly entrapment but some cops just drool and smell meat soemtimes. *sigh*

Uh, that isn't even CLOSE to entrapment .. that is so far away from what we are discussing I don't know why you brought it up.

Have another go.

4Vman · 06-09-2005, 07:25 PM

I can just see the drug dealer who sold 10kg's of Heroin to an undercover drug squad officer in court "but your honor, im inocent, he entraped me and forced me to commit the crime of drug selling by buying the drugs from me"

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entrapment - The act of identified officers or agents of a government in inducing a person to commit a crime not contemplated by him, for the purpose of instituting a criminal prosecution against him.

Id suggest if the police officer identified himself as such then said "lets have a drag its ok" and you did then he booked you that would be entrapment..

HOON69 · 06-09-2005, 07:29 PM

sneaky buggers ay and im sure they would easily get any kit they liked,also welcome to qld the hoon squad are using just about every car they can to nab hoons..

entrapment is illegal and they do encourage the racing revving a motor and leaning out the window etc but as said resist temptation common sense always prevails,but yeah they are sneaky buggers these cops.