Reco'd Engine Gone...Just Like That :(

Grechie · 22-05-2005, 08:15 PM

Hey guys....
very sad at the moment, had the new engine in it for like 2 months, wen torquay on friday night with the boys, drove my EA with the EBGT body kit on it, stayed at a caravan/cabin joint till sunday, b4 we left on friday, did all checks on her, coolant, oil, everything, power steering fluid etc, anyways, as were coming home, my cars just ticking slowly, i was bit concerned, but ive herd it b4 in werribee as im driving round, so i keep driving, then it just gets louder, and faster....im getting really scared, my exhuast starts to splutter wen i drive, like a cylinder wasnt sparking..., pulled over, i had my mate in my car, he just turned 18 today...and it was a constand BANG BANG BANG idle, checked the oil, it was full...but also remembered the oil was cheapo oil, that we didnt bother changing the oil thinking its full, so its fine, it got hot, (traffic stop, go, stop, go) in geelong and the oil compression gauage just went down to nothing, and thats wen the ticking started...it was thinned out, and wasnt milky, it was lubricating the engine anymore...opened the oil cap, and it was just pooring out white smoke, it was toasted oil, let it kool down, 1 hour later my old man comes, starts the car, all u hear is constant bang bang bang then it popped...:( gone, my reco'd 3.9L just died), towed it home from geelong, and i still cant belive what has happenend....:( live and learn i guess, i learnt my lesson, never take the car on a weekend trip with cheap oil in it...never again will i buy cheap oil....well anyway, thats my story...im very sad now.

The MaDDeSTMaN · 22-05-2005, 08:25 PM

:( oops :(

brenx · 22-05-2005, 08:33 PM

Oils just aint oils

It just sucks **** when something goes wrong. I've blown a set of oil rings out. Just luckily enough I had a spare set. Whipped out the new old ones and put a new set in. Problem fixed.

Cheap oil for run in. Change @ 1000k's. Run normal oil from then on. No cold revving as this hurts the engine.

zoomzoom · 22-05-2005, 08:36 PM

do you have any warranty on the reco engine.
If you can prove it was the oil you might have a claim against the people who sold it to you.
it might have a faulty oil pump and by driving it you may have done more damamge
pull the engine out replace the bearings get the crank checked out and put a new oil pump

neb · 22-05-2005, 08:41 PM

who reco-ed the engine i would be taking it back to them...it may not be the oil.. i can't see that cheapo oil would cause that much damage to an engine. anyway good luck with it grechie

Psycho Chicken · 22-05-2005, 08:44 PM

Reco engine with oil problems.....hmmmmm it wouldn't happen to be HM by any chance would it?

FNQracing · 22-05-2005, 09:08 PM

Mate, I'd doubt very much if the oil had *anything* do do with your engine failure. Unless you used chip oil, I'd say the fault lies squarely with the mob that did the engine.

**Full Noise** · 22-05-2005, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FFOracing

Mate, I'd doubt very much if the oil had *anything* do do with your engine failure. Unless you used chip oil, I'd say the fault lies squarely with the mob that did the engine.

^^^^^What he said^^^^^

Cheers, Danny

Grechie · 22-05-2005, 09:49 PM

hmmm we got it from a wreckers who had it reco'd warrenty i dont have, we shall be paying the wrecker a visit for sure ... to get to the bottom of this, the cars sittin in the garage, after i just bought a high flow cat to complete my exhuast system, and it goes and does this...:( well i shall be checking out the situation of it tomoz

thanxk for the replys but

NZ · 22-05-2005, 10:22 PM

I had the same kinda thng happen one time in my ea. an engine that had supposed to have had a recondition started tapping loudly and close to no oil pressure. i took it to the local mechanic and the oil pump was loose on the block which was where the oil pressure was going.

FNQracing · 22-05-2005, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Grechie

hmmm we got it from a wreckers who had it reco'd warrenty i dont have,

Yeah, sure they got it reco'd! They may have given it a spray of Aussie Export degreaser, if ya lucky.

I'd say you'll have next to no hope of getting any kind of replacement. Next time, get a motor with a warranty.

Wreckers will offload any peice of shite onto you.

Kryton · 22-05-2005, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FFOracing

Yeah, sure they got it reco'd! They may have given it a spray of Aussie Export degreaser, if ya lucky.

I'd say you'll have next to no hope of getting any kind of replacement. Next time, get a motor with a warranty.

Wreckers will offload any peice of shite onto you.

exactly what i was gonna say. wreckers and reco usually dont go in the same sentence. if the engine needed a rebuild they probably wouldnt have bothered as they would have got better ones in sometime in the future. it would have just been left in the car for the extra weight when it was crushed.

Grechie · 22-05-2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by five point slow

I had the same kinda thng happen one time in my ea. an engine that had supposed to have had a recondition started tapping loudly and close to no oil pressure. i took it to the local mechanic and the oil pump was loose on the block which was where the oil pressure was going.

each time id start the car, and drive round, 10 mins into driving the oil pressure would go down a bit and ud hear tapping but very quitely sometimes it would go away, put the foot down once, and then the oil compression guage goes nearly all the way...it was scary, but it never made a big tapping noise till today (actually not tap, but BANG) ... me old mans been working on cars since he was 13, he loves fords, hes now 56, he sed somethign along the lines of a conrod , and the piston punching a whole in the block...im still new to cars, but it doesnt sound to healthy :(

EDIT: also what u guys been saying sounds right, we is gonna contact this p00fta (sorry bit angry) and get some answers out of him....i mean, since i got this "reco'd" 3.9L weve changed the oil bout 3-4 times, and the first time oil change we did was decent stuff, wasnt to bad, nothing bad happened, no ticking, it was untill maybe 3 weeks ago i noticed alot of this happening...and my 27 yr old bro says exactly what u say five point slow bout the oil pump not working, and that it was the cause...answers to all this should hopefully be uncovered by tommorow...

Dez · 23-05-2005, 01:03 AM

sorry to hear it grechie...

but i got 2 great laughs reading this thread...

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Originally Posted by Rollin

even if it was the cheapest crappiest oil available made out of reconstiuted panda urine strained through taiwanese bamboo it should have lasted more than 2 months.

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Originally Posted by FFORacing

Mate, I'd doubt very much if the oil had *anything* do do with your engine failure. Unless you used chip oil, I'd say the fault lies squarely with the mob that did the engine.

and grechie, did you say you checked the oil level when you pulled over, and it was full? if the engine had just been running, its always gonna be high up on the dip stick....it has to be cold to get an actual reading of how much oil is in there...

so what are the plans now? new engine?

Grechie · 23-05-2005, 01:53 AM

yeah i guess new engine, once again , even though this one was just put in LOL. if thats the case, ill check it in the moarning if it was full

thanks

Psycho Chicken · 23-05-2005, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dez

and grechie, did you say you checked the oil level when you pulled over, and it was full? if the engine had just been running, its always gonna be high up on the dip stick....it has to be cold to get an actual reading of how much oil is in there...

That's why dipsticks have hot and cold marks....

Kryton · 23-05-2005, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

That's why dipsticks have hot and cold marks....

engine ones have "add" and "full".
transmission, power steering have "hot" and "cold".

Psycho Chicken · 23-05-2005, 10:28 AM

There's two halves to the Falcon one. The bottom is cold and the top is hot.

At least that's how it is on my EB dipstick, haven't checked the XEs.

jonbays · 23-05-2005, 10:47 AM

Sorry to hear but trust me wreckers don't make good engine builders as a rule.

I owned and ran a wrecking yard in the early 80's and we sold lots of engines.

reco engines were not all equal though.

There were second hand engines hot tested and checked with original mileage from wrecks.

There were S/Hand rebuilt engines fixed up enough to have good equal compressions. Usually valves and rings done with a gasket set and lots of nice paint.

There were Imported S/Hand engines cleaned started and tested for compression only.

There were full long and short bottom end reconditioned engines which we bought from ERS or higginbottom's and resold on a non exchange basis as we had plenty of duds to send them.

Mostly where we had a problem like yours we would give you another engine after inspecting your car to check there was oil in it and the radiator and cooling system were OK.

We would give warranty on all our S/H and reco engines subject to a post installation inspection where we didn't fit them ourselves.

It's here we would find the mostly hard up customers would scrimp so badly we wouldn't warranty the engine though. Simple things but like putting a new engine in with a radaitor you could run your finger through all the fins and they would fall off in your hand!

The best engines to get from a wrecking yard were the ones taken from fairly new model wrecks where you could see the car and its mileage and verify it wasn't from a flood! etc. Remembering that a lot of people in the business are ETHICALLY CHALLENGED and you have to be careful in who or what you trust.

Dez · 23-05-2005, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by davway

engine ones have "add" and "full".
transmission, power steering have "hot" and "cold".

yep, thats all mine has as well..

BJ · 23-05-2005, 11:30 AM

I wouldnt say all wreckers are the same. I have worked for one part time for the last 3 or 4 years and guess what i do there? yep i reco engines.I can say that everyone that we have done has a full 12 month warranty plus the first service free and we have only had 2 come back with a problem and that was due to the owner playing with the timing. I am not saying you didnt get a dud but i dont think it is fair to paint them all the same.

NIGHTHAWK · 23-05-2005, 01:08 PM

How was your old man?

gtfpv · 23-05-2005, 01:57 PM

i'm not sure if wrecking yards are allowed to sell anything without a 3 mth warranty . also if it was reco'd it should've stated on the recept. you've been had brother . secondly if you got a reco'd engine from the wrecker without a warranty or receipt . then more fool you you probably paid next to nothing for it and got caught out . thems the risks you run . remember the old saying you get what you pay for . some things dont add up here and they dont seem in your favour . the best you can hope for is an exchange for nothing or a cheaper 2nd engine off the wrecker. dont worry though sometimes cheapies work in your favour . sometimes they don't. that is why they are very cheap and sometimes its worth the risk . LIVE AND LEARN DUDE.

Grechie · 23-05-2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NIGHTHAWK

How was your old man?

what do u mean dude?...if u mean how was he wen he started it and it died after he n me bolted it up, he was so cut up inside i could see...all he could say was, no use talking bout it mate..its gone...coz i was ****ed off and i was trying to say all this crap to him.

neb · 23-05-2005, 02:19 PM

I thought you were meant to check engine oil once the engine is hot? Or have I been doing it wrong all of these years! lol.

Hey grechie maybe you can take this opportunity to rebuild the engine with performance bits, put an aftermarket cam in, headwork etc.. would be nice!

Grechie · 23-05-2005, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by neb

I thought you were meant to check engine oil once the engine is hot? Or have I been doing it wrong all of these years! lol.

Hey grechie maybe you can take this opportunity to rebuild the engine with performance bits, put an aftermarket cam in, headwork etc.. would be nice!

yeah man i wouldnt mind that, the one thing im gonna make sure, is that its gonna be MPFI next engine...i dont care how long it takes, our only prob is , that my old man doesnt know how to set up a multipoint engine...thats one thing that has him beat...the wiring part of it...oh well, now im searching for EB 4.0L MPFI's and EA 3.9L MPFI's so if anyone has any for sale or know anyone selling one please let me know...(yes im also looking in the FS thread)

thanks!

gtfpv · 23-05-2005, 02:47 PM

i dont know what all the talk is about engine oil levels for this has nothing to do with your engine if it had oil in it . the cheapest oil you can buy (motor oil) has to meet specifications deeming it suitable as an engine oil . otherwise it cant be sold in australia by law.

megsy · 23-05-2005, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by davway

engine ones have "add" and "full".
transmission, power steering have "hot" and "cold".

hang on, you can check the oil in an engine if it's hot, you just have to wait a minute for all the oil to run down, read the dip stick, wipe it, and read it again, the second reading will be accurate even if it's hot. As for hot and cold on the dipstick, thats only for the tranny dipstick in the autos and the power steering fluid dipstick.

FNQracing · 23-05-2005, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by neb

I thought you were meant to check engine oil once the engine is hot? Or have I been doing it wrong all of these years! lol.

Check your engine oil level when COLD and LEVEL. Once an engine has been shut down, oil starts draining into the oil pan (this is there the dipstick gets its reading from). Once most of it has drained (about 15mins from shutdown) that's when you will get your most accurate level. I always check my oil when the engine is cold, before I go anywhere.

Its the tranny fluid that need to be checked when hot, preferably 10-20secs after shutdown.

InitialD · 24-05-2005, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Grechie

yeah i guess new engine, once again , even though this one was just put in LOL thanks

What wreckers was it? Didnt buy the motor of a dude named ralphy did u?