Generalised vent

[mosman69]

there is imbalance in the world!!!!

my car died recently, i just took it to an auto elec who was real nice about it all and said he would sort me out but how much is he going to charge me? well working at around $70 an hour he said just checkin it out could cost me an hours labour, then if its easy add another hour, if its difficult add a few more than that, if he cant fix it at my house he will ofcourse tow it and charge me for that (all this time his little meter is ticking away) thenhe will need to fix the damn thing and i gotta pay for parts etc. at this stage best case scenario my car is not grounded probperly = no parts needed only two hours labour. worst case bcm gone = new bcm, towing plus a lot more than two hours labour.

how come he can charge me so much when its just a car when as soon as i graduate as a doctor i will be getting $22/hr first yr, then really only rising by a $1/hr every year until i finally reach the top (not expected for minimum 8yrs where i will be earning better. why why why!!! its just a car right :

[Hally]

I understand how you feel about hourly charges, but........

Your $70 p/h that you pay for him includes:

- his hourly wage rate
- rent on the workshop
- utilities for the workshop (power, water, gas etc)
- tools
- truck/van
- insurance

Also remember he is a licenced professional who has done his dues via an apprentiship. I know of unskilled workers in the construction industry who earn $50 p/h. Just lucky you didn't take the car to a dealership to get worked on.

[S3SR]

Originally Posted by mosman69

how come he can charge me so much when its just a car when as soon as i graduate as a doctor i will be getting $22/hr first yr, then really only rising by a $1/hr every year until i finally reach the top (not expected for minimum 8yrs where i will be earning better. why why why!!! its just a car right :

your thinking about it all wrong!

the car you need fixed and will pay to get it fixed because you need it.

doctoring on the other hand, your paid by the gov or if in private practice you make your own wage. its the gov man and on top you basically WONT earn anything till your hecs if paid off...

EDIT: what im trying to say is yes this world is finished, wheres the reset button? dont let money control you, you made the decision LOVE what you do.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by mosman69

how come he can charge me so much when its just a car when as soon as i graduate as a doctor i will be getting $22/hr first yr, then really only rising by a $1/hr every year until i finally reach the top (not expected for minimum 8yrs where i will be earning better. why why why!!! its just a car right :

How long had he been an Auto Elec?

After a few years as a quack you too can charge $200+ for a 10min consultation like most specialists do.

Or a GP at about $45-50 for a 15min chat.

[Keepleft]

Meatime in the real world of reality - we'll continue to inevitably see more Aussie jobs go offshore, understandably.

[[Tonko]]

Originally Posted by mosman69

there is imbalance in the world!!!!

there is an imbalance in the world because an auto elec charges what he deserves? i would like to live in your world where that is the biggest worry...

[mattp]

Mate, I don't know where you're gonna be practicing medicine, but it sure as hell won't be the same place I do : Surgery registrars are on ~$140k a year, and if you're good you can be there 5-6 years after you graduate. That being said, it is annoying that people will pay through the nose for plumbers and other tradies, hairdressers etc then whinge and moan about not being bulk billed by their GP. When it comes to their health it seems a lot of people want it all for nothing. Why isn't there a segment on a current affair about the rising cost of auto electricians :

[Psycho Chicken]

Someone find me a doctor who charges $22 an hour.

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by mosman69

its just a car right :

why are you even here.

[mattp]

Originally Posted by FALCONSR

your thinking about it all wrong!

the car you need fixed and will pay to get it fixed because you need it.

doctoring on the other hand, your paid by the gov or if in private practice you make your own wage. its the gov man and on top you basically WONT earn anything till your hecs if paid off...

EDIT: what im trying to say is yes this world is finished, wheres the reset button? dont let money control you, you made the decision LOVE what you do.

I agree, if you're in a job for the money, especially medicine, I think you'll end up sorely disappointed.
Good luck with the car by the way, I hope it is just a grounding problem!
ps. Where are you doing med?

[mattp]

Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Someone find me a doctor who charges $22 an hour.

Go down to your local emergency department. Every intern there will be on that.

[Psycho Chicken]

They may well be. However I want one that charges $22 an hour, not earns $22 an hour. That auto elec isn't getting anywhere near the full $70.

[Perana]

You can't compare your take home wage to what he is charging.. You have to take into account the overheads in his business

Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Someone find me a doctor who charges $22 an hour.

Any major operation for only $129.95 !

[Psycho Chicken]

Thanks little girl!

[atec77]

Originally Posted by mosman69

there is imbalance in the world!!!!

my car died recently, i just took it to an auto elec who was real nice about it all and said he would sort me out but how much is he going to charge me? well working at around $70 an hour he said just checkin it out could cost me an hours labour, then if its easy add another hour, if its difficult add a few more than that, if he cant fix it at my house he will ofcourse tow it and charge me for that (all this time his little meter is ticking away) thenhe will need to fix the damn thing and i gotta pay for parts etc. at this stage best case scenario my car is not grounded probperly = no parts needed only two hours labour. worst case bcm gone = new bcm, towing plus a lot more than two hours labour.

how come he can charge me so much when its just a car when as soon as i graduate as a doctor i will be getting $22/hr first yr, then really only rising by a $1/hr every year until i finally reach the top (not expected for minimum 8yrs where i will be earning better. why why why!!! its just a car right :

some where around 40% of that charge is insurance rent etc then the remaining is taxed at 49% on all declared monies ( excluding cashies) and then some self contributions to super , not looking so good now isit ? , it means to earn $750.00 in hand a week he needs to make well over 100k

[mattp]

Originally Posted by atec77

some where around 40% of that charge is insurance rent etc then the remaining is taxed at 49% on all declared monies ( excluding cashies) and then some self contributions to super , not looking so good now isit ? , it means to earn $750.00 in hand a week he needs to make well over 100k

Anyone running a business has to foot all of the above costs, it's not like the auto electrician is unique in that regard.

[mosman69]

seems like ive touched a lot of nerves with my post.
let me argue my point more clearly, yes a consultant surgeon would earn a $hiteload. but he has studied for around a minimum of 8 years AFTER graduating to get there. before that he was on around 34-35/hr.
as an intern i will get 22
now lets talk about gps chargin 45 for a 15 min chat.
for starters they have done an extra 3-4 years of trainng, a gp IS in fact a specialist. not any one can decide hey im a dr im going to b a gp. secondly most people cry and whinge when they are not bulk billed. and the doctor does not charge you for the needle to take your blood, the sphygmonamoter to check you pressure, money for tongue depressor, and every other dressing, sample pack and disposable item he gives you, secondly a gp is no different to an auto elec in the sense that he also has overheads which i would argue cost a lot more than the auto elec but i cant seeing as how i dont know how much overhead an auto elec pays. anyway point is im going to be making decision which impact people's lives and yeah im supposed to be supervised all the time but the system is not perfect and there are PLENTY of times this year when i have seen interns make huge shots and they pull a whole of $22/hr.

as for the its just a car obvioulsy i love my fairmont to death otherwise i woldnt even bother looking on this forum but its just machinery at the end of the day, how difficult can it be to figure out whats wrong and replace it, its static its the same as every other fairmont hes looked at as opposed to our bodies which have massive variations in disease states.

ps i cant remember who asked it but im studying at monash, im third year (gen med/ gen surg)

[mosman69]

really i dont want to argue i just want ppl to pat me on the back and say you poor thing thats really bad, your life sucks and that mean auto elec is overcharging you!!!! but tis ok we still like you
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[mattp]

Originally Posted by mosman69

seems like ive touched a lot of nerves with my post.
let me argue my point more clearly, yes a consultant surgeon would earn a $hiteload. but he has studied for around a minimum of 8 years AFTER graduating to get there. before that he was on around 34-35/hr.
as an intern i will get 22
now lets talk about gps chargin 45 for a 15 min chat.
for starters they have done an extra 3-4 years of trainng, a gp IS in fact a specialist. not any one can decide hey im a dr im going to b a gp. secondly most people cry and whinge when they are not bulk billed. and the doctor does not charge you for the needle to take your blood, the sphygmonamoter to check you pressure, money for tongue depressor, and every other dressing, sample pack and disposable item he gives you, secondly a gp is no different to an auto elec in the sense that he also has overheads which i would argue cost a lot more than the auto elec but i cant seeing as how i dont know how much overhead an auto elec pays. anyway point is im going to be making decision which impact people's lives and yeah im supposed to be supervised all the time but the system is not perfect and there are PLENTY of times this year when i have seen interns make huge shots and they pull a whole of $22/hr.

as for the its just a car obvioulsy i love my fairmont to death otherwise i woldnt even bother looking on this forum but its just machinery at the end of the day, how difficult can it be to figure out whats wrong and replace it, its static its the same as every other fairmont hes looked at as opposed to our bodies which have massive variations in disease states.

ps i cant remember who asked it but im studying at monash, im third year (gen med/ gen surg)

Saying how important you're going to be with your life-changing decision making skills isn't going to impress anyone here I'm afraid, not that I don't agree with most of it, but I think you're in the wrong place for such rants.

ps. GP rebate is $31.85 per consult, not even $45.

[Psycho Chicken]

Originally Posted by mattp

Anyone running a business has to foot all of the above costs, it's not like the auto electrician is unique in that regard.

And it's not like auto elecs are the only tradies that charge that sort of money per hour.

Originally Posted by mosman69

as for the its just a car obvioulsy i love my fairmont to death otherwise i woldnt even bother looking on this forum but its just machinery at the end of the day, how difficult can it be to figure out whats wrong and replace it, its static its the same as every other fairmont hes looked at as opposed to our bodies which have massive variations in disease states.

Of course it can't be hard, that's why he can't tell you over the phone and that's why he had a 3 (?) year apprenticeship to become qualified.

Tradies cost a fair bit by the hour. Did we only just figure that out?

[mattp]

Morris the loudmouth mechanic was removing the cylinder heads from the motor of a car when he spotted the famous heart surgeon Dr. Michael DeBakey, who was standing off to the side, waiting for the service manager to come take a look at his Mercedes. Morris shouted across the garage,
"Hey DeBakey! Is dat you? Come on ova' here a minute."
The famous surgeon, a bit surprised, walked over to where Morris the mechanic was working on the car.
Morris straightened up, wiped his hands on a rag and asked argumentatively,
"So Mr. Fancy Doctor, look at dis here work. I also open hearts, take valves out, grind 'em, put in new parts, and when I finish dis baby will purr like a kitten. So how come you get da big bucks, when you an' me is doing basically da same work?"
Dr. DeBakey leaned over and whispered to Morris the loudmouth mechanic.
"Try doing it with the engine running."
:

[flappist]

You are going to be a doctor....

This will be difficult for you to understand because you are going to be told the opposite every day but....

Just because you are a doctor it does NOT automatically follow that you are smarter than everyone else, more importantant than everyone else, should earn more money than everyone else or in fact are any different to everyone else at all.

You will hear the exact opposite from most of the people you deal with because THEY ARE ALSO DOCTORS.

If you are if your profession for the money, get out now while you still can. Do real estate or prostitution or sell drugs or be a security guard in a war zone or some other job that pays heaps.

If you decide to be a doctor do it because you want to save people. If you are good at it you will be compensated accordingly, if not you will also be compensated accordingly.

[needfordspeed]

Why don't you get a workshop manual and try fix it yourself? Then you'll figure out that sometimes it's worth paying the cash to get something done.

[mattp]

Originally Posted by flappist

You are going to be a doctor....

This will be difficult for you to understand because you are going to be told the opposite every day but....

Just because you are a doctor it does NOT automatically follow that you are smarter than everyone else, more importantant than everyone else, should earn more money than everyone else or in fact are any different to everyone else at all.

You will hear the exact opposite from most of the people you deal with because THEY ARE ALSO DOCTORS.

If you are if your profession for the money, get out now while you still can. Do real estate or prostitution or sell drugs or be a security guard in a war zone or some other job that pays heaps.

If you decide to be a doctor do it because you want to save people. If you are good at it you will be compensated accordingly, if not you will also be compensated accordingly.

Are you a doctor?

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by mosman69

ps i cant remember who asked it but im studying at monash, im third year (gen med/ gen surg)

Cool, I knew some people who went to Monash years ago (about when Moffat, Brock and Jane were racing just down the road from there) Most of them seemed to be studying protesting and illegal chems though

[drcook]

i would think there would be some sort of link between the amount a person in a trade gets paid vs how many people - are in/want to do - that trade.

if there isnt alot of plumbers in a certain area, then the plumbers in that area can charge a larger amount.

if a business is already busy, they can increase thier charges for new work because they dont want/need new work.

if there is a unwanted job (ie clearing asbestos), that is hard to find employees, the employees have to be offered a larger amount of cash to do such a job, therefore the employer needs to charge more to cover wages.

if your not happy getting paid as a doctor, do something that no one else wants to do.

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by mosman69

really i dont want to argue i just want ppl to pat me on the back and say you poor thing thats really bad, your life sucks and that mean auto elec is overcharging you!!!! but tis ok we still like you
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Okay,

Pat, pat, pat.
You poor thing, thats really bad.
Your life sucks.
That mean auto elec is overcharging you.

Back in my day it was $35 an hour:-) Eitherway, good luck.

[AshMan]

Small mechanics workshop with ~4 hoists, part of a service station, we charge $80 +GST (contractor) , the auto elec we use charges about $10 an hour ontop of that, and our EFI specialist (contractor) charges $60 per HALF HOUR block (plus GST again).

The overheads and insurance premiums are becoming a HUGE cost for businesses nowadays, with many small business not being able to cope.

[red_hotxr6]

Originally Posted by Hally

I understand how you feel about hourly charges, but........

Your $70 p/h that you pay for him includes:

- his hourly wage rate
- rent on the workshop
- utilities for the workshop (power, water, gas etc)
- tools
- truck/van
- insurance

Also remember he is a licenced professional who has done his dues via an apprentiship. I know of unskilled workers in the construction industry who earn $50 p/h. Just lucky you didn't take the car to a dealership to get worked on.

Plus do not forget that he does not have a clue what the problem is and has togo through a process of elimination. Think i am joking, my husband took his car to get them to tell him why the car starts to stall when he puts his down. Answer, at $84.00 an hour for 30 hours we might find the problem for you, for an 1987 xf efi engine, yeah right. I could possibly understand an 2005-2006 model car because the problem might not yet occured or the way to solve it has not yet reached all the mechanics, but an 20 year old car.Ha.

[mosman69]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

Okay,

Pat, pat, pat.
You poor thing, thats really bad.
Your life sucks.
That mean auto elec is overcharging you.

Back in my day it was $35 an hour:-) Eitherway, good luck.

wow talk about gettin hammered back. thanks keep left for understanding.

to everyone on the forum i know that med is ***** for making money. i also know that i am not smarter than anyone (if i was really smart i would have picked another career :voldar02: : ) im just a poor little uni student with a loan still outstanding on my car and no real room for unneccessary bills, i serioulsy live life to the leanest. i just thought i could come home and write all my feelings down hoping that SOMEONE would sympathise. trust me im not an egotistical ba$tard. the guy ended up only cahrgin me for one hour labour to change my BCM so no complaints, plus he charged me **** all for the module itself, i got away having paid $200ish which is alot but its worth it cuz like other people have said i would have had no idea and he saved me a lot of stress and anxiety. there would have been no way i could have done that then completed my planned trip to melbourne (from mildura = 550km) with any kind of peace of mind. point is he scared me to death saying he could have spent two hours just finding the problem, plus whatever parts then time fixing it, simple calculation lets say the part cost $100, he spent an hour looking then an hour and a half fixing

$100
+ $175
= $275

thats an average scenario now keep in mind he said two hours just looking and then fixing and you can see why my little uni student account went into hiding and my sympathy seeking forum visiting side cam out to play

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