So how well does a BA XR6T hold up if you roll it at highway speeds and hit a tree?

Alister · 13-03-2012, 07:31 PM

I did this in October 2010 in the wet unfortunately. Thankfully I walked out fine and only had bruising, cuts and a concussion. I think I forgot the post the pics here...

According to a witness (heard the statement when I went to court for it), I rolled three times and hit a tree.

From what I recall, I was about to overtake a car (it was very wet) and just hit some water and started sliding into the other lane and was about to hit another car so I made the decision to throw it off the road so I wouldn't injure anyone else. Weather was a factor but I shouldn't have overtaken so quick when it was so wet. I have learnt a lot from it and am very grateful I am still here today.

WUB913 · 13-03-2012, 07:37 PM

Wow!!!

chrisfpv · 13-03-2012, 07:37 PM

I swear I've seen those pictures before. Hmm...

Good to see you came out of it better then alot of other people would've.

**buggerlugs** · 13-03-2012, 07:38 PM

It'll buff out............

FPV8U · 13-03-2012, 07:41 PM

WOW!!!

I wouldn't bother buying a lotto ticket for a fair few years after walking away from that!

Trek · 13-03-2012, 08:02 PM

Yeah, these pictures have been posted on here before. Factory option, wasn't it?

P.S.: Kidding about the last part, no malice meant!

79FordEsky · 13-03-2012, 08:11 PM

It'll Buff out!!

TheInterceptor · 13-03-2012, 08:20 PM

Built Ford Tough!

Ezz · 13-03-2012, 08:24 PM

Very lucky to walk away from that... someone watching over you mate!
Fortunately no one else was in the car as it looks like they might not have been so lucky.

Glad you've taken from this the positives of what not to do in such conditions... it's not worth it. I did a similar thing in my car, overtaking a truck in the wet from a left hand lane, heaps of water on the road. I didn't give it a lot of stick... don't need to with all that power at the wheels. Anyway, the back end flicked out to the right and I slid across 2 lanes and finally caught it in the last.... fortunately no one was next to me at the time but there were cars in front and behind. The whole fam was in the car so you could imagine I was freakin' out a little. Didn't do anything excessive and was below the speed limit of 80... probably around 77 at most as I was doing 60 behind the truck until I decided to overtake.

It doesn't take much for a powerful rwd car to butt out on you. Better to drive well under caution than on the limits, especially when the environment can change things... no matter how good a driver you are. Brock showed us all that!
Enjoy the toy at the track I say!

mik · 13-03-2012, 09:09 PM

nice effort, not a straight panel left on it.

graham7773 · 13-03-2012, 09:29 PM

^^^+++for that but where is the evidence that you hit a tree. And not an intact piece of glass to be seen.

calais · 13-03-2012, 10:11 PM

I agree with the statements about having a powerful RWD car snap in the wet.

I was driving my old man's V8 Caprice, moved out to overtake a truck in light rain and before I knew it I was slip-sliding across two lanes battling to get back under control. I just didn't expect such a violent reaction, but mixture of factors made sure I learnt my lesson.

Needless to say I am suprised you made it out of such an accident so lightly.... a lotto ticket was definately in order!

Blue Roo · 13-03-2012, 10:12 PM

Lucky you were in a Falcon and not a Commodore.

**data_mine** · 13-03-2012, 10:25 PM

I think it should be a requirement everyone does advanced driving courses, and cheap *** tyres removed from the market.

Seriously, I was fanging it (no going slow, but not being stupid) around Eastern Creek in the ****ing rain, no unexpected sideways action. Plenty of others did end up finding the wall or only looping it around.

People need to learn proper car control and not be rolling on **** tyres.

Thankfully you managed to survive, but I think (and you admit) better driving would've prevented it.

dave351cid · 13-03-2012, 11:17 PM

you certainly broke that one mate.

an expencive way to learn what not to do.

Spammy · 14-03-2012, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by data_mine

I think it should be a requirement everyone does advanced driving courses, and cheap *** tyres removed from the market.

Seriously, I was fanging it (no going slow, but not being stupid) around Eastern Creek in the ****ing rain, no unexpected sideways action. Plenty of others did end up finding the wall or only looping it around.

People need to learn proper car control and not be rolling on **** tyres.

Thankfully you managed to survive, but I think (and you admit) better driving would've prevented it.

110% agree on the **** tyre issue. My ute puts out decent HP and when I bought it the prev owner had fitted some no name chinese junk. They were deadly with even the slightest sign of rain. Switched to Pirrelli and then Continential - no more suprisies in the wet.

The number of posts I see on car forums where people are happy to spend 2 or 3 grand on go fast mods but are desperate to find the cheapest tyres. crappiest tyres is frighteneing.

monts351 · 14-03-2012, 12:48 AM

Looks like you are very lucky to get out of that one. Its rapidily coming to the time of year when we'll get the first rains here and the roads will become very dicey for a little while. Short shifting will become routine for a period of time.

uranium_death · 14-03-2012, 12:59 AM

I thought this might have been the new Toyota Yaris and thought, "what a fantastic improvement!"

But seriously, proof that people need to drive according to the conditions, and that it can happen to you!

uranium_death · 14-03-2012, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Spammy

The number of posts I see on car forums where people are happy to spend 2 or 3 grand on go fast mods but are desperate to find the cheapest tyres. crappiest tyres is frighteneing.

I was having a conversation with one of the blokes that works in the workshop (at work) about cars, and he stated his annoyance at the government's total focus on one aspect of road safety, and complete ignorance of another.

He told me that they did a review of a few tyres and found that the cheap tyres (that are hardly restricted here) extended stopping distance considerably compared to a quality tyre - and quality doesn't mean anything fancy. Just a solid tyre. I have Pirelli P7s atm. Nothing fancy. Will do the job just fine. I know that it takes no genius to figure out that a cheap tyre will not perform, but still, they did a study on it...apparently...:P

Yet the entire time, the government is pushing the message to "Wipe of 5".
Yes, people should not be travelling "Only a little bit over", but surely maintaining decent tyre standards would go along way towards ensuring that tyre fitted on cars are suitable for most considitions - especially in the wet, and that the quality is at a certain level where the car is safer for both occupants, and helping to avoid pedestrians. Airbags and ESC won't mean a lot when your tyres are piebald after 5,000kms or sliding around in the wet.

But, of course not - no money to make by restricting the sale of crappy tyres...

It was some real food for thought for me anyway...

If I can find that study, I will post it...I doubt I will remember to though...

mik · 14-03-2012, 01:36 AM

in my book over taking must be the most dangerous of all driving actions, generally people make risky moves because they absolutely must go now and can`t wait for a safer over taking opportunity, as for giving it the beans to over take in the wet, chalk that one up to experience.

FordACE · 14-03-2012, 02:17 AM

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11311293

That's the old thread.

To reiterate that was my brothers old car. Disappointing to see it brought up again.

Oh and the rims and tyres were brand new off my brothers FG Turbo.

Glad you made it out alive Alister

Alister · 14-03-2012, 09:52 AM

Haha small world, surprised someone reposted it from LS1 to here.

First time I have seen that thread - I have no idea why people were talking about 75km/h, I never said on any forum I was going that fast. I told the police that I was travelling at 110km/h, especially since the accident occurred between the point to point cameras. Car was going very slow in front of me, hence why I went to overtake. I remember it a lot better now, took me a few weeks to piece it all together.

Thanks for the comments. To clarify, I'm not making excuses, I was plain and simple not driving best suited to the conditions and I've learnt from it. Tyres were fine as FordACE said. A few days after I bought it FordACE, the transmission went btw.

blk6t · 14-03-2012, 10:05 AM

Glad to see no one was hurt.

Can I ask what happened in court?

Did you have to appear due to dangerous driving?

HULK EF · 14-03-2012, 10:26 AM

ironic number plate! Would definatly buy a looto/scratchi ticket! main shell of the falcon looks intact.

FordACE · 14-03-2012, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alister

Thanks for the comments. To clarify, I'm not making excuses, I was plain and simple not driving best suited to the conditions and I've learnt from it. Tyres were fine as FordACE said. A few days after I bought it FordACE, the transmission went btw.

My brother told me you rang him up about it. Unfortunately there was no signs of any transmission problems before it was sold.

Alister · 14-03-2012, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by blk6t

Glad to see no one was hurt.

Can I ask what happened in court?

Did you have to appear due to dangerous driving?

Thanks buddy. Yeah, summonsed to court for "driving without due car and attention." I was honest, told the Magistrate what happened and she asked why she shouldn't suspend my licence, I told her honest reasons why, she accepted and I just got a fine of $500 + $75 court costs.

Yeah, trans started flaring and slipping when I was driving it on the highway a few days after I got it off your brother. Soon after it lost third and fourth gear. Took it to Sureshift Autos and it needed a full rebuild for $2K but hey, luck of the draw I guess.

Bobman · 14-03-2012, 04:55 PM

Not just on here, but on LS1.

Crazy crash none-the-less!

**DJM83** · 14-03-2012, 05:11 PM

That car is munted, long as your ok thats the main thing

Ezz · 14-03-2012, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uranium_death

I was having a conversation with one of the blokes that works in the workshop (at work) about cars, and he stated his annoyance at the government's total focus on one aspect of road safety, and complete ignorance of another.

He told me that they did a review of a few tyres and found that the cheap tyres (that are hardly restricted here) extended stopping distance considerably compared to a quality tyre - and quality doesn't mean anything fancy. Just a solid tyre. I have Pirelli P7s atm. Nothing fancy. Will do the job just fine. I know that it takes no genius to figure out that a cheap tyre will not perform, but still, they did a study on it...apparently...:P

Yet the entire time, the government is pushing the message to "Wipe of 5".
Yes, people should not be travelling "Only a little bit over", but surely maintaining decent tyre standards would go along way towards ensuring that tyre fitted on cars are suitable for most considitions - especially in the wet, and that the quality is at a certain level where the car is safer for both occupants, and helping to avoid pedestrians. Airbags and ESC won't mean a lot when your tyres are piebald after 5,000kms or sliding around in the wet.

But, of course not - no money to make by restricting the sale of crappy tyres...

It was some real food for thought for me anyway...

If I can find that study, I will post it...I doubt I will remember to though...

Totally agree mate. It's funny you buy a decent newish car with 60Ks on it, get the road worthy done and they refuse to pass it's road worthy due to a small... SMALL drip leak from the steering rack. I've seen cars on the road that should not be there.... no number plates, side wall hanging out of the side of the tires, rusty door hinges, blowing smoke front and back, panels hanging off... pushed in, windows and bumpers gaffer taped up, number plates stuck-on using rope or tape, number plates caked in mud... unreadable... the list goes on.

But as you say, cheep crappy tires are what most people put on their daily driver. ****** me off cause if i ever had someone run into me with rubber junk like u say, I'd be ****ed! Safety is paramount, and it's more important to have quality tires on your car, over a lick **** sound system. I say if you can affort the $$$ for a sound system, body kit etc, you can afford quality tires and brakes. The are real quality tires out there that wont break the bank either. I say to most people go the mid range price that provide long treadware if you don't want to spent more than 400 per tyre. The best money I've spent on my car to date are the brakes and tires... worth every penny.