LR vs LS power to weight?

simonr · 11-09-2006, 11:53 PM

Just curious..

Anyone know the power to weight ratios of the LR and the LS

I know the LS is a lil bit more powerful but also heavier..

I had a bit of a go against Pieoter in his LS sedan after the go karts..

and we were pretty much neck and neck...

simonr · 12-09-2006, 12:02 AM

so i had a look in a motor mag..

the LS zetec is 107kw and weighs 1283kg making it 11.99 kg/kw
the LR zetec is 96kw and weighs 1175kg making it 12.39 kg/kw

Extremely similar..

LRs are better tho :P

melbzetec · 12-09-2006, 07:20 AM

Good thread! So the next question is, how much extra power do you need to generate in an LR to equal an LS?

My maths says that 1175 kg divided by 98kW =11.99 kW/kg

So you only need 2 extra kilowatts from an LR to match the LS Focus.

And according to some on this forum, window tinting and a new gear knob will gain at leats 3kW!!

Marshy79 · 12-09-2006, 08:42 AM

Window tinting and a new gear knob!

Hell what about the Neons! Those things are like NOS!

Pretty interesting to see the two so closely matched.
So basically if you fold your rear view mirrors in you should win the drag.

Zetec20 · 12-09-2006, 10:51 AM

hahaha, ok someone with an LR line me up and we'll settle this once and for all, then we can have a thread "LR, best focus ever!"

Pieoter · 12-09-2006, 11:27 AM

Simon I didn't launch the car. Thats pretty much explain why it was "neck and neck" eve though I wouldn't call a car length neck and neck.

melbzetec · 12-09-2006, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Zetec20

hahaha, ok someone with an LR line me up and we'll settle this once and for all, then we can have a thread "LR, best focus ever!"

mmmmmmmmm Pity I don't live in Sydney!!!! (Although the colder air in Mebourne makes for better performance lol)

Has anyone taken their Focus to the drags??

Fast Eddie · 12-09-2006, 03:40 PM

I think BlackLS has taken his to the Drags up here at Eastern Creek. It's mentioned in another Thread.

Simon, what about us poor people with the 85kw Engine in the LR. It's not even worth calculating!.

mitch_lx · 12-09-2006, 04:15 PM

Zetec20... mate you're moondishes would make you're car as fast as a hung over turtle on sunday morning.

Lets race b1tch :P

12-09-2006, 04:19 PM

16.2. First run ever. Fairly crap 2.4 or somwthing 60footer so it wasn't the best launches. Interesting fact it ran 85mph, which on a well driven car with a good launch could get you in to a 15.9

The other 2 runs were 16.5, because of underbonnet temps made the intake HOT as!

melbzetec · 12-09-2006, 06:09 PM

Does anyone know what the comparative torque figures are? And what the gear ratios are side to side?

amlohac · 12-09-2006, 06:13 PM

So really its down to who is the better driver they are that close. im sure the torque figures favour the newer focus

12-09-2006, 06:20 PM

From page 3: http://ford.com.au/global/pdf/range/...ocus_specs.pdf

185Nm of torque @ 4500 rpm. with the 107kw at 6000 rpm. So between 4500 and 6000 rpm is where to be in a LS Focus.

12-09-2006, 06:25 PM

Vid of the run. Vid taken on my phone, sorry bout the qual
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v6...wsidinside.flv

I crossed the line just as I went into 4th(if you try to hold 3 it hits the rev limiter for about 2 seconds before crossing the line), but the S2000 next to me was still trying to convincinly beat me. Was about 3-4 car lengths ahead of me

melbzetec · 12-09-2006, 06:30 PM

Had you done the drags before LS?

I've been out to Calder here to watch, but never raced. Am a little tempted.(Must admit though, I'd be embarrassed to stuff up in my little Focus amongst the heavy duty street cars)

Zetec20 · 12-09-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mitch_lx

Zetec20... mate you're moondishes would make you're car as fast as a hung over turtle on sunday morning.

Lets race b1tch :P

let's go woman, i'll give u a run in my daihatsu mira too, that might be a bit fairer :P

12-09-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by melbzetec

Had you done the drags before LS?

I've been out to Calder here to watch, but never raced. Am a little tempted.(Must admit though, I'd be embarrassed to stuff up in my little Focus amongst the heavy duty street cars)

I've only spectated before once, never dragged legally either until I did that vid (that was one of the 16.5 passes). The WSID track in Sydney has Wicked Wednesdays where you can run your street driven cars. Most of the cars are V8 Commodores, XR6 turbos, Skylines and quick Rotaries. There are also a good mix of performance orientated atmo 4cyls such as Corolla sportivos, Pulsar SSS's, S2000s etc.

Someone ran a LWB Econovan (niiice 20sec time slip). Also an old twin carb ka laser, and some other "slower" cars. Ultimatly the purpose is not to show off your car, its knowing what your car can do initially, then you can experiment with modifications or weight removal, as well as different launch techniques and see the difference it can make (can make it fun and edumucational)

Anyone who is thinking about bringing your car to the strip i highly recommend it. First time is a surreal experience.

(ps play a lot of Nitto1320 drag game, to learn the structure of lineing up the car at the strip etc)

mitch_lx · 12-09-2006, 10:36 PM

LMFAO zetec20.... come on ******, bring it on.

Bring you're hp notebook along so when i beat ur *** you can crack the notebook out and blame you're loss on a bad tune.

Zetec20 · 13-09-2006, 09:15 AM

hahahaha, it's on

mitch_lx · 13-09-2006, 10:20 AM

Duratec just kicked in yo

Zetec20 · 13-09-2006, 10:35 AM

haha careful, i might just open the boot and huff and puff and blow ur car away with the subs alone :P

zetec · 14-09-2006, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Zetec20

haha careful, i might just open the boot and huff and puff and blow ur car away with the subs alone :P

You can both watch out because when the Zetec kicks in, it's aaaaaaaaaaalll over for any girl driving a Duratec.

ing_sm

If it doesn't have Control Blade and a Zetec, it's not worth driving.

mitch_lx · 14-09-2006, 09:48 PM

Well this is going to be news for you Zetec... i wont be racing you in my fiesta.

Just wait a couple weeks mate

something new is going to be found in my garage.. very..soon..

Lets see whos gona ''huff and puff'' now... Pshht

Zetec20 · 14-09-2006, 09:57 PM

haha, fine i'll grab either the turbo civic or the xr6 turbo if you're gonna bring forced induction into this :P

zetec · 14-09-2006, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mitch_lx

Well this is going to be news for you Zetec... i wont be racing you in my fiesta.

Just wait a couple weeks mate

something new is going to be found in my garage.. very..soon..

Lets see whos gona ''huff and puff'' now... Pshht

You won't want come near me this weekend then...

Pieoter · 14-09-2006, 11:54 PM

5 door XR5?

BlackLS I did some calculations on the simulator I have and 16.2 @ 85mph is the time it gave me aswell.

mitch_lx · 15-09-2006, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by zetec

You won't want come near me this weekend then...

Maybe not... but i will have just as much fun. For ALOT less money.

15-09-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pieoter

5 door XR5?

BlackLS I did some calculations on the simulator I have and 16.2 @ 85mph is the time it gave me aswell.

Excellent! Can I ask which one?

The Focus is probably on par to the sim due to the liniar power it has in the upper rev range, and its well spaced gearing.

I wish they were offered with an LSD. Not even the xr5 has it.

Mitch_LX and Zetec20, quit your shenanigans and take it to the track already.

whippet_zetec · 15-09-2006, 10:29 AM

haha...Pie and Me are going to get to Eastern Creek on a Wednesday night at some point to put the Focus up against the Fez...just got to get our butts into gear to organise it!

15-09-2006, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by whippet_zetec

haha...Pie and Me are going to get to Eastern Creek on a Wednesday night at some point to put the Focus up against the Fez...just got to get our butts into gear to organise it!

Make it next Wednesday night then. I'll try to be there.