Qld Have your say on Speed Cameras, Live!

rancidpunx · 16-07-2010, 05:42 PM

There was a thread on here a while back linking to an QLD Gov enquiry into the use of speed cameras and their use with new technologys in the future. (Perhaps somebody can find the old thread as i have had no luck)
This is the link to the enquiry as it stands today

Link

I filled out the survey as im sure others did. I got my submission selected to be including in the enquiry and have since been invited to a public hearing about the issue. Its a public issue and it seems anyone is welcome so this may be your choice to get you voice heard in a live forum. It appears to be just a spectators event but will be interesting and I will be attending. Heres the link to the hearing Other Link

Thought id share with all the negative talk about road safety around here, well this could be the time to put your money where your mouth is. Plus there is a lunch

flappist · 16-07-2010, 07:01 PM

I too have one of the listed submissions.

Congratulations on being selected to present although I do hope you are Scott not Trevor.

The Monty · 16-07-2010, 07:25 PM

Im listed as well. Thats scary, lol.
Might be interesting to go have a watch of this.

rancidpunx · 16-07-2010, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flappist

I too have one of the listed submissions.

Congratulations on being selected to present although I do hope you are Scott not Trevor.

Lol im neither, although Trevor, if you are reading this, You Suck

csv8 · 17-07-2010, 12:33 AM

I too got an invite, but work prevents me from going !!!

SEZ213 · 17-07-2010, 12:43 AM

Might have to step in and have a look see...is laughing at the presenters from the university allowed? :P

SEZ213 · 17-07-2010, 01:21 AM

If by chance, I don't happen to make this - can someone please ask the question...

In both surveys more than six million vehicles were surveyed across a range of speed zones
on rural and urban roads. (Independent analysis undertaken at Centre for Automotive Safety
Research confirms that none of the differences between the May and November surveys arc
statistically significant). The surveys indicate that between one fifth and one half of motorists
state-wide arc not complying with posted speed limits, dramatically increasing their risk of
being involved in a crash.

How can they have 'surveyed' six million vehicles??

I don't recall anyone asking me for permission to do this? As part of the Privacy commissions submission, this would potentially be a breach of the human rights (to be honest, couldn't give a rats, but it seemed pertinent to the APFs submission) - secondly to that - 6 million vehicles, there's only 4.2 or so million people living in Qld...and not all of them actually drive...I'm a little confused...do we now include tourists as well?

I'd personally like to know how many out of staters have been responsible for the $27million put forward for the safer roads sooner?

The indication from the tables on page 5 (6 of the PDF) also advised that people are more inclined to speed in urban areas, which would indicate that the 'country drivers die on country roads' could be slightly out of whack.

The other part I find laughable is that

82% of motorists agreed that 'penalties for speeding are genuinely intended to deter
people from speeding'.

is 82% of the Qld population that naive?

And yet another giggle for my late night reading:

In Queensland, on-road policing by QPS is the preferred method of enforcing speed (and
other traffic offences) with speed cameras providing supplementary enforcement.

I see more camera cars than I do actual policemen...and I do a 180km round trip each day...from Ipswich to Caboolture...straight up the Bruce Highway...

Why is there a fixed camera on the Bruce Highway at Morayfield, if this is their official statement...

Fixed cameras will be deployed where it is unsuitable to enforce by either mobile
cameras or effectively by other means (such as hand-held speed devices or police
patrol due to issues which may have an effect on maintaining officer safety while
undertaking this type of enforcement) or where there is sustained crash risk that is not
able to be resolved by other means.

I do have just one more point before I fall off my chair giggling...

As at 30 April 2010, the Queensland RoadCrash data available for statistical analysis only
includes the details of crashes up to end of September 2008.

If this is truly the case...where are they getting all their information from about crash statistics...? Whoever said 33% of statistics were made up on the spot...?

Only twelve pages in and I must stop reading it, I'm starting to sound like my mother-in-law...

SEZ213 · 17-07-2010, 02:15 AM

I couldn't help myself and kept reading - submission 19 - Geoff Lewis...that man I need to meet - he just doesn't give up!

chevypower · 17-07-2010, 03:13 AM

Since fixed speed cameras are supposed to save lives, it's absolutely amazing, that although many fines were issues, no speed cameras have been wiped out by these speeding hoons in these "high risk" areas! Quite a shame actually.

jpd80 · 17-07-2010, 08:45 AM

If the safety robots are so concerned about speeding why don't they just make
it impossible to speed by linking road sensors at speed signs to the car's ECU,
a simple narrow band transmitter would achieve this.

Oh, I know why...... no revenue to the State's coffers.

platinumXR · 17-07-2010, 09:54 AM

Before I read through all the submissions can someone ask the question (as it applies to all states I am sure - and I can only hope NSW get's a turn at this): why state Gummints refuse to provide more funding to Local Area Commands to allow increase in personnel on rosters for (a) First Response - which in turn allows for more personnel to be rostered or trained for (b) Specialist Duties such as Traffic / Highway Patrol...as opposed to spending the same or probably more money on Fixed Speed Camera White Elephants (and 'at-risk' personnel to man them) whose only purpose is to produce revenue and have nothing at all to do with a genuine effort to improve road safety.....? *takes deeeeep breath*....please.

platinumXR · 17-07-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sezzy

Fixed cameras will be deployed where it is unsuitable to enforce by either mobile
cameras or effectively by other means (such as hand-held speed devices or police
patrol due to issues which may have an effect on maintaining officer safety while
undertaking this type of enforcement) or where there is sustained crash risk that is not
able to be resolved by other means...

1. If there is a risk to Officer Safety, how can there not be a risk to equipment safety?
2. Police/Traffic enforcement (read: Lidar/Stationary) requires site inspections before hand for approval in regard to OHAS, Officer and Public Safety...so how is this different to Fixed Speed Camera positioning?
3. If there is a sustained crash risk: see previous post.

I think a lot of their 'findings' are flawed.