New P plate laws

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/com...5E2862,00.html
Does anyone know if this affects people who already have their license? I use my hands free mobile for work in the car everyday, I can't not have it.

[Steffo]

Eventually they'll just decide to ban people :

Then write them a strongly worded letter, they can't ban you from doing your job. Or get on the phone to VicRoads for some sort of exemption.

I wish I could afford to move to another country.

[Shonky]

What the F*** is F***ing wrong with these F***ed up mother F***ers?

Why can't they F***ing well F*** off and F***ing let every one get on with their own F***ing lives!

What will they ban next?

I think I need a Valium sandwich...

[PULLY6]

Originally Posted by Herald Sun, 16 August 05

Dr Regan said L and P-plate drivers were more prone to distraction. "If you're going to target a particular group initially with a piece of legislation, it makes more sense to target them," he said.

WHAT THE !?!?!?! How does it make sense to target and single out a single group of DRIVERS?!!?

Originally Posted by Herald Sun, 16 August 05

A ban will send the right message to young drivers that hands-free mobiles aren't safe.
"Indirectly, that will send a message to the rest of the community."

SINCE WHEN?!?!?! Do some fully licenced drivers stay out of the car when they've had ONE BEER just because P-Platers have to?!?! NO!!!!

Originally Posted by Herald Sun, 16 August 05

It also suggested an alcohol ban on all drivers aged 23 and under.

How the hell is this going to help ANYTHING?!?! The fact is, and the stupid d!cks in the government are yet to realise this; ACCIDENTS, by their very nature, WILL ALWAYS HAPPEN! Young people will always make bad decisions, which will sadly end in tragedy. Whether it's speeding, driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, or any other combination of factors - these things are always going to happen to the minority of IDIOTS out there.

JESUS this sort of thing makes me mad.

[OzJavelin]

I agree with the theory .. people spend to much time fixated with mobile phones. They think if they ignore one call it will be the end-of-the-world. Ten years ago hardly anyone had a mobile phone and strangely enough people survived!! [ I wish I could ditch mine .. I'm sick of being oncall 24x7 ]

Just ban everyone from using them while driving .. that's what voicemail is for. Easy to enforce. Will probably save a few lives.

[PULLY6]

Originally Posted by Young 'un

I think I need a Valium sandwich...

Or smoke some weed, have 8 beers and go and do some burnouts and excessive speeding.... apparently thats WHAT ALL YOUNG PEOPLE DO!

out: frickin goverment

[Smoke Pursuit]

load of bull...

All our cars have $400 integrated handsfree kits....

Why dont the government go pick up more drink drivers and unroadworthy heaps and leave the decent people alone...

Originally Posted by OzJavelin

I agree with the theory .. people spend to much time fixated with mobile phones. They think if they ignore one call it will be the end-of-the-world. Ten years ago hardly anyone had a mobile phone and strangely enough people survived!! [ I wish I could ditch mine .. I'm sick of being oncall 24x7 ]

Just ban everyone from using them while driving .. that's what voicemail is for. Easy to enforce. Will probably save a few lives.

How is it any different from having a passenger talking to you? The fact is theres about a billion things around to distract you as your driving along, should they ban billboards, car radios, city link radio warnings, etags that beep, coloured cars, advertisements on cars, electronic road signs and trip computers?

[Shonky]

Originally Posted by PULLY6

Or smoke some weed, have 8 beers and go and do some burnouts and excessive speeding.... apparently thats WHAT ALL YOUNG PEOPLE DO!

out: frickin goverment

Of course... I am a P plater therefore I am a hoon...

F*** I hate the government... It takes a fair bit to get me arc-ed up, but they always manage to get me going...

out: out: out: out: out:

[OzJavelin]

Originally Posted by lizardmech

How is it any different from having a passenger talking to you?

A passenger is "experiencing" the driving with you .. an adult passenger will shutup if things get "hairy" (with kids you're own your own, and thats why women with kids in cars scare me the most)

Originally Posted by lizardmech

The fact is theres about a billion things around to distract you as your driving along, should they ban billboards, car radios, city link radio warnings, etags that beep, coloured cars, advertisements on cars, electronic road signs and trip computers?

Yep, that's a lot of sensory cr@p to put up with .. so why have something else that is entirely OPTIONAL! You don't NEED your phone to drive do you??!!

.. I just hope I'm not the car on the freeway that gets sideswiped while you are frigging about with your mobile phone .. (yes, I have a friend with a 2mth old VY SS ute that had this happen to them .. and it was a P-plater)

[PULLY6]

Originally Posted by Young 'un

Of course... I am a P plater therefore I am a hoon...

F*** I hate the government... It takes a fair bit to get me arc-ed up, but they always manage to get me going...

out: out: out: out: out:

Mate i'm the same... takes a fair bit, but far out. This sort of sh!t is bad.

[PULLY6]

Originally Posted by OzJavelin

(yes, I have a friend with a 2mth old VY SS ute that had this happen to them .. and it was a P-plater)

So because it happend to your "friend", you think everyone on p's does the wrong thing :

[Heeno]

Originally Posted by Young 'un

What the F*** is F***ing wrong with these F***ed up mother F***ers?

Why can't they F***ing well F*** off and F***ing let every one get on with their own F***ing lives!

What will they ban next?

I think I need a Valium sandwich...

yea i agree with you, but it's not their fault, we as a society are to weak and put up with all the bullsh!t they decide to pass and no-one does anything about it.

[Ghiadude]

Originally Posted by lizardmech

How is it any different from having a passenger talking to you? The fact is theres about a billion things around to distract you as your driving along, should they ban billboards, car radios, city link radio warnings, etags that beep, coloured cars, advertisements on cars, electronic road signs and trip computers?

exactly!! and how are these young people going to be when finally on a full licence and suddenly have all these distractions...dic/<heads!!

[OzJavelin]

Originally Posted by PULLY6

So because it happend to your "friend", you think everyone on p's does the wrong thing :

What did I say at the start? If you are going to bother doing it for P-platers .. do it for EVERYONE! Geez .....

[Shonky]

I think it's only Victoria at the moment, but I wouldn't be surprised if this new ledgo finds its way into other states as well.

Arrrgghhhh! I need to strangle something... where's Harold Scruby when you need him?

At the rate P platers are being banned from doing things, what is it going to be like for the next generation? Soon we'll be forced to learn to drive on simulators (at the learners expense of course)

Originally Posted by OzJavelin

A passenger is "experiencing" the driving with you .. an adult passenger will shutup if things get "hairy" (with kids you're own your own, and thats why women with kids in cars scare me the most)

Yep, that's a lot of sensory cr@p to put up with .. so why have something else that is entirely OPTIONAL! You don't NEED your phone to drive do you??!!

.. I just hope I'm not the car on the freeway that gets sideswiped while you are frigging about with your mobile phone .. (yes, I have a friend with a 2mth old VY SS ute that had this happen to them .. and it was a P-plater)

If you can't speak and drive at the same time you shouldn't be on the road in the first place, I hardly see how pressing 1 button on my earpeice as im driving along is any worse than a gear change, I don't even need to take my eyes off the road. I saw an asian do something stupid once while driving does that mean they should all be banned? Anecdotal evidance is fricken retarded.

[Heeno]

hhmmmmm i get it, once your on your O's you automatically become a f@#kin excellent driver that can do anything.
and while on L's or P's you sh!thouse and don't know anything about driving.... get over yourselves(government) it's f@#kin pathetic,

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

Originally Posted by lizardmech

If you can't speak and drive at the same time you shouldn't be on the road in the first place, I hardly see how pressing 1 button on my earpeice as im driving along is any worse than a gear change, I don't even need to take my eyes off the road. I saw an asian do something stupid once while driving does that mean they should all be banned? Anecdotal evidance is fricken retarded.

Another article about this: http://theage.com.au/news/national/n...958006108.html

I agree, if you can't speak and drive at the same time, you shouldn't be driving, simple as that. Composing and sending an SMS while driving is VERY different to taking a call on a hands free setup...

[PULLY6]

Please, I beg you, quote me on this.

In 12-18 months time there will be a ban on p-platers, OR young people, owning or driving any car with ANY SORT of non-standard engine or driveline modification.

[OzJavelin]

Originally Posted by lizardmech

If you can't speak and drive at the same time you shouldn't be on the road in the first place.

Aw shucks .. I can walk and chew gum at the same time! A palour trick I learned from my Pappy!

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by PULLY6

Please, I beg you, quote me on this.

In 12-18 months time there will be a ban on p-platers, OR young people, owning or driving any car with ANY SORT of non-standard engine or driveline modification.

Already exists in NSW. Since 11 July 2005, no cars with 8cyl or more, no "high performance 6cyls", no forced induction, and no modifications allowed at all. Car must be as it left the factory.

Originally Posted by The MaDDeSTMaN

Another article about this: http://theage.com.au/news/national/n...958006108.html

I agree, if you can't speak and drive at the same time, you shouldn't be driving, simple as that. Composing and sending an SMS while driving is VERY different to taking a call on a hands free setup...

Thats great the scumbags at the RACV also support it. I don't understand wtf the RACV is thinking these days they seem to support every anti motorist law some car hating tree hugger from a university comes up with.

[Shonky]

Originally Posted by PULLY6

Please, I beg you, quote me on this.

In 12-18 months time there will be a ban on p-platers, OR young people, owning or driving any car with ANY SORT of non-standard engine or driveline modification.

Consider yourself QUOTED! :P

[XR6ISM]

Originally Posted by OzJavelin

Aw shucks .. I can walk and chew gum at the same time! A palour trick I learned from my Pappy!

Dude seriously, i dont see your points. You seem to agree so strongly with this movement, let me ask you this.

What is the difference between speak to somebody on a hands free kit, or singing along to your fav song on the radio. Either way, your attention has been re-directed from what your doing, should we also ban radios ??

What if you need to open a window ?? This requires a couple seconds of "one hand off the wheel". Should we also ban windows in all cars ??

This is not a sollution to anything, its just another stupid way of making money/revenue raising. And what happens to those people who need to have a phone in their cars ?? On road sales people ?? Support people ?? Do they need to find new work because they can no longer use their hands free kit in their cars ??

[OzJavelin]

OK .. so I'm the bad guy here. So everyone was expecting that "everyone" would support this post? Last time I checked this was a democracy and typically things got passed into legistation via a majority? (well .. that's the theory ).

People seem pretty touchy about this subject, and I'm not sure if the focus is the bit about P-platers or about mobile phones? If it's about P-platers I sympathise that you have been singled out. If it's about mobile phones I still feel sympathy that you are so dependant upon you phones either by want or necessity?

I am a member of a number of car clubs and I will support fighting legistation when it is relevant to my hobby. This is not relevant. It's about the equivalent of banning smoking in public places ... something most research (which in the case of mobile phone usage, I personally agree with) shows is bad for our health, but some people will always complain about it anyway ..

My point is if you are going to do it to one group, do it to all.

[megsy]

before we get too upset, just how are they going to enforce this. if your like me and have a handsfree dash setup, like a few of you have mentioned, it's just like talking to yourself and driving at the same time. they cant stop someone from talking to themselves!!!

IMHO there is no way they can enforce this so it will be added to the hundreds of other laws that nobody knows about and are NOT enforced AT ALL.

[MITCHAY]

Hmm i know listening to the stereo only distracts me when its blasted so loud i cant hear myself think. Cant say the same for mobile phones. There is no need to be driving and on the phone. If its that important you pull over and talk.

Ive done it once and it was bloody hard so i know not to do it again. I cannot tell you how many people have nearly taken me out even with the Bluetooth setup.

[XR6ISM]

Originally Posted by OzJavelin

OK .. so I'm the bad guy here. So everyone was expecting that "everyone" would support this post? Last time I checked this was a democracy and typically things got passed into legistation via a majority? (well .. that's the theory ).

People seem pretty touchy about this subject, and I'm not sure if the focus is the bit about P-platers or about mobile phones? If it's about P-platers I sympathise that you have been singled out. If it's about mobile phones I still feel sympathy that you are so dependant upon you phones either by want or necessity?

I am a member of a number of car clubs and I will support fighting legistation when it is relevant to my hobby. This is not relevant. It's about the equivalent of banning smoking in public places ... something most research (which in the case of mobile phone usage, I personally agree with) shows is bad for our health, but some people will always complain about it anyway ..

My point is if you are going to do it to one group, do it to all.

Not that im calling you the bad guy, i mean, personally there needs to be alot of improvement with P platers, how they get their license, training, driver ed etc etc.

Im just questioning your point of opinion as to how a hands free phone kit is any different to the above mentioned (ie, radios, windows, manual transmission.....and now that you mentioned it, smoking whilst driving).

Personally, i would increase fines for people that talk on a phone or sms whilst driving, because that just outright dangerous, however, whether i be talking on my hands free phone or singing to a song, i really cant see the difference there (PS....not that i be singing in my car but for the sake of arguement)

The other point is....if the government band hands free kits (now im moving into a different topic) then will they also ban them from sale. I dont see how they can ban a product from being used that can readily and easily be purchased from almost anywhere. Again, this all sounds like a revenue raising tactic.