What will happen to the engine tooling?

[FalconXV]

Be great if some Chinese upstart could purchase the tooling for the I6 and put it one of their cars.

[Franco Cozzo]

Thats probably what would happen I think.

[csv8]

Great Wall..Cherry, more likely Hyundai/Kia might be interested ?????

[ryeman]

If the Chinese buy the name......

[mike_nofx]

The I6 would rip a Chinese chassis apart.

[malazn mafia]

How much is the tooling worth? Guess it leaves us all 3 years to hit that lottery win to buy the whole tooling, maybe even all the panel stamping equipment. There is an abundance of cheap, good labour in the states recently, so perhaps it could be sent there. That engine would make a good airline tug engine, generator, tugboat or speedboat engine in xr6t guise. The yanks could use it to repower their classic 6cyl mustangs and go drag racing

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by FalconXV

Be great if some Australian upstart could purchase the tooling for the I6 and make an 8.o litre V12 twin turbo

Fixed.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Fixed.

Given what the 4.0L turbo makes standard without any euro or jap techno rubbish ( VTEC, VVTLI, VANOS, etc), an 8.0L V12 would probably demolish a Veyron W16.

[ryeman]

The I6 has also got that 'rubbish' that's why it's NOT 'rubbish'!

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by ryeman

The I6 has also got that 'rubbish' that's why it's NOT 'rubbish'!

I would have thought Dual VCT as installed on the humble i6 is nowhere near as sophisticated as the current engine technologies, hence the price? VTEC and VANOS have their share of problems, while I haven't heard of an VCT failure on a falcon.

[EASYBOSS]

Lets be real, it wont be sold, it will be scrapped/destroyed etc

[pcman]

yep straight to scrap metal, they wont want it falling into the oppositions hands

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

I would have thought Dual VCT as installed on the humble i6 is nowhere near as sophisticated as the current engine technologies, hence the price? VTEC and VANOS have their share of problems, while I haven't heard of an VCT failure on a falcon.

Re VTEC rubbish .... On what basis is ANY Honda engine rubbish...it's reliable to a fault. That is til the blond complains that there is a red light on the dash that has been annoying her for weeks.

[ratter]

VCT system dose have failures and it's hard to compare engines of different sizes and compressions

[Elks]

I would have thought Ford would need to keep it some format to honour there warranty and parts commitments for the next 10 years.

[jpd80]

Unlike America, there's no requirement on Aussie car manufacturers to keep all parts available for 10 years.

[Pub247]

Originally Posted by ratter

VCT system dose have failures and it's hard to compare engines of different sizes and compressions

Isn't that called BMEP??

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Unlike America, there's no requirement on Aussie car manufacturers to keep all parts available for 10 years.

In the late 90s I visited the Mitsubishi engine plant in Lonsdale SA they were still pumping out parts for the old 2.6 4 cylinder engine.

[burnz]

what happened to the clevo and holden 6/8??

[Ford17]

It was once reported BMW engineers regarded the Australian Ford I6 engine to be only second to anything they themselves produced.

I think they rated it as the worlds 2nd best I6 engine.

And we are about to give it away...

[ebxr8240]

Pick and pay for parts..

[rdmr]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Unlike America, there's no requirement on Aussie car manufacturers to keep all parts available for 10 years.

You may be wrong there. I know Ford still had pallets of Nos cranks etc from the E series in store. That was 2 years ago or so. When I asked why the reply was it was law.

[Pub247]

link to bmep and how it works theres also examples of ford i6 and turbo engines

http://www.autospeed.com.au/cms/A_111718/article.html

FYI a 2jzgte has a bmep of just over 17 bar
Ford fg f6 has a bmep of just under 17 at 16.9 bar

No hating on ford here i think its a good engine but when a 20 year old toyota motor has the same bmep as it shows that its not as technically advanced or effiecent as some believe.

IMO 2JZ was the best inline 6 ever made.

FYI the Koenigsegg Agera has a BMEP of 28-30bar depending on fuel from its 5ltr V8 and meets euro 5 emissions

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by Pub247

link to bmep and how it works theres also examples of ford i6 and turbo engines

http://www.autospeed.com.au/cms/A_111718/article.html

FYI a 2jzgte has a bmep of just over 17 bar
Ford fg f6 has a bmep of just under 17 at 16.9 bar

No hating on ford here i think its a good engine but when a 20 year old toyota motor has the same bmep as it shows that its not as technically advanced or effiecent as some believe.

IMO 2JZ was the best inline 6 ever made.

FYI the Koenigsegg Agera has a BMEP of 28-30bar depending on fuel from its 5ltr V8 and meets euro 5 emissions

Aaargh, you can't just judge an engine on BMEP. What about cost? Torque curve line? What about fuel consumption, durability, noise vibration and harshness?

[TMC]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

The I6 would rip a Chinese chassis apart.

Hahahahahaha

I can just see it now. The driver floors the thing and the whole drivetrain explodes out of the chassis and takes off on it's own.

[irish2]

Yes there is a 10 year requirement for parts supply here too.

[TMC]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

I would have thought Dual VCT as installed on the humble i6 is nowhere near as sophisticated as the current engine technologies, hence the price? VTEC and VANOS have their share of problems, while I haven't heard of an VCT failure on a falcon.

It's just as sophisticated and it doesn't fail. The best engine ever built if you ask me.

[TMC]

Originally Posted by Forda

It was once reported BMW engineers regarded the Australian Ford I6 engine to be only second to anything they themselves produced.

I think they rated it as the worlds 2nd best I6 engine.

And we are about to give it away...

OK. BMW made by German perfectionists. Are they really going to admit that the Ford Australia I6 is a better engine than theirs? Of course not. For them to even mention it shows they are in admiration of it and a bit scared of Ford Australia's potential with this engine. Real pity.

I'd love to see this engine direct injected.

I'd also love to see it in high compression (10.3:1) direct injected and forced fed with 17psi boost, ie Ecoboost I6.

Direct injected and naturally aspirated I'd think this engine would put out somewhere between 220-230kW. Boosted with Ecoboost 350-400kW!!!!!!!

Yes, why the hell are we throwing this engine away. I hope if Ford really do shut up shop (they may change their minds if something big changes the environment) that an aftermarket company in Australia picks up the tooling and keeps developing away on it. This happened with the Holden red engine in the 80's.

[JG34JA]

Originally Posted by Forda

It was once reported BMW engineers regarded the Australian Ford I6 engine to be only second to anything they themselves produced.

I think they rated it as the worlds 2nd best I6 engine.

And we are about to give it away...

Great comment, I've always considered it the Aussie version of the Jag XK motor, or some of the fine BMW inline 6's. Can you imagine the Turbo 6 in a roadster?

[Bossxr8]

Its just too bad they will never get to use the direct injection versions PD cobbled together. An Ecoboost version of that would have been off the hook.

I heard they also had an EcoLPi version of the turbo 6 running around in an XR6 Turbo ute recently.