Everest vs Fortuner

**Polyal** · 21-10-2015, 08:29 AM

Well this just goes to show how much things have changed in the Ozzie auto landscape, Im making a threasd about bloody SUV's.

But....Saw the specs on the Fortuner this morning and saw the price, Everest's life will be made a little bit tougher?

Ranger might be able to command a premium because tradies get some tax love with commercial vehicles.

I want to love the Everest but Im looking forward to a comparison between these two.

http://www.carsales.com.au/editorial...at-47990-54649

For me, I dont care about the nitty griity as such, requirement is 7 seats, enough space, decent fuel economy and ability to go off the beaten track; but I dont intend to climb Uluru.

Toyota has had a gap between the Kluger and Prado which I believe forced many to go Prado based on diesel requirement alone.

vztrt · 21-10-2015, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

For me, I dont care about the nitty griity as such, requirement is 7 seats, enough space, decent fuel economy and ability to go off the beaten track; but I dont intend to climb Uluru.

Terri will do this. So don't get your point about a balls an all 4x4 and a part time suv.

**Polyal** · 21-10-2015, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Terri will do this. So don't get your point about a balls an all 4x4 and a part time suv.

Other than it being dead within 12 months? Im not 100% sold on quality vs the new stuff. Fact is it was a great car in 2004 which got next to nothing spent on it since then. Not to mention the FoA known issues, diff bushes etc. No car is perfect though.

I would have to check the specs but I dont think ride height is great on the Tez compare to the ute based SUV's.

But yes its road manners are superior.

vztrt · 21-10-2015, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Other than it being dead within 12 months? Im not 100% sold on quality vs the new stuff. Fact is it was a great car in 2004 which got next to nothing spent on it since then. Not to mention the FoA known issues, diff bushes etc. No car is perfect though.

I would have to check the specs but I dont think ride height is great on the Tez compare to the ute based SUV's.

But yes its road manners are superior.

Your saying you wanna go off the beaten track.
I've gotten my Falcons in places were people needed jacked up vehicles apparently.

My point is the Fortuner isn't a proper 4x4. But I will give Toyota credit that you can get the thing in manual for the top spec...something Ford is crap with.

Then again you get this with the Fortuner as well which is not good.

**Polyal** · 21-10-2015, 09:13 AM

Hmm I saw that, the space doesnt seem as big as the Everest behind the third row?

I believe those seats can be removed all together? Suits me better actually as we are a family of 6. Another big wni for these type of cars are vents in the very back aswell.

vztrt · 21-10-2015, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Hmm I saw that, the space doesnt seem as big as the Everest behind the third row?

As opposed to no space in the Toyota. To me 7 seat SUV's aren't all that great as there is some compromise. The Ford SUV's have done well but for full time 7 setas time to get a people mover.

**Polyal** · 21-10-2015, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

As opposed to no space in the Toyota. To me 7 seat SUV's aren't all that great as there is some compromise. The Ford SUV's have done well but for full time 7 setas time to get a people mover.

Already got one if those, no so handy on anything other than bitumen.

Smoke Pursuit · 21-10-2015, 10:02 AM

Fortuna looks like a dog compared to the Everest, especially the base model.

Everest will drive better, have better tech etc too.

vztrt · 21-10-2015, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Already got one if those, no so handy on anything other than bitumen.

Correct. But it depends on what is your primary use for the vehicle. There will be compromise trying to get something to do everything.

I do see the Fortuner (its a rubbish name for a car) selling well. If there was a GXL with leather and Sat nav option I would be very tempted in a few years. The fact that it has a manual would even make me talk to douche Toyota salesman.

Vesper Martini · 21-10-2015, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Hmm I saw that, the space doesnt seem as big as the Everest behind the third row?

I believe those seats can be removed all together? Suits me better actually as we are a family of 6. Another big wni for these type of cars are vents in the very back aswell.

Seats loom similar to the 120 series Prado we have, its an ugly look but I think more practical.
You can remove only one seat if you want or both, they don't get in the way of vision, and they allow more floor space compared to permanent fold into the floor seats

Vesper Martini · 21-10-2015, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Correct. But it depends on what is your primary use for the vehicle. There will be compromise trying to get something to do everything.

I do see the Fortuner (its a rubbish name for a car) selling well. If there was a GXL with leather and Sat nav option I would be very tempted in a few years. The fact that it has a manual would even make me talk to douche Toyota salesman.

I think it will sell well too, in the typical no frills no grunt Toyota fashion.
but foremost I think it will eat into Prado sales, as many don't need a true 4WD

vztrt · 21-10-2015, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I think it will sell well too, in the typical no frills no grunt Toyota fashion.
but foremost I think it will eat into Prado sales, as many don't need a true 4WD

IT may. But it might get people who won't pay Prado money for the car. Toyota badged SUV....7 seats....but cheaper. It will be interesting once sales stabilize to see.

1TUFFUTE · 21-10-2015, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Well this just goes to show how much things have changed in the Ozzie auto landscape, Im making a threasd about bloody SUV's.

But....Saw the specs on the Fortuner this morning and saw the price, Everest's life will be made a little bit tougher?

Ranger might be able to command a premium because tradies get some tax love with commercial vehicles.

I want to love the Everest but Im looking forward to a comparison between these two.

http://www.carsales.com.au/editorial...at-47990-54649

For me, I dont care about the nitty griity as such, requirement is 7 seats, enough space, decent fuel economy and ability to go off the beaten track; but I dont intend to climb Uluru.

Toyota has had a gap between the Kluger and Prado which I believe forced many to go Prado based on diesel requirement alone.

That is one FUGLY as car. The names not much better..........
.Fortuner Crusade

**Polyal** · 21-10-2015, 03:11 PM

Guys, the Everest and any other car in this category is the same. They aint pretty.

Simple6 · 21-10-2015, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

My point is the Fortuner isn't a proper 4x4.

Ladder frame
4WD
Manual
Live Axle (rear)
Diff Lock
225mm ground clearance (more than the Prado)

It's as much of a 4x4 as 99% of people want now.

You can still go for your 70 Series LC and Defenders if you need solid axles front and rear, but that's really the only difference (equipment wise).

Sprintey · 21-10-2015, 08:30 PM

Just been having a look at all the Fortuner pics and specs and one thing they have done is give the factory specs a look of the 'customising' that goes on after initial purchase - clever stuff. The blue base model with black steelies evokes my old cruisers, multiple trim colours some of which evoke some 80's stuff, blackout mags on black top model with bullbar. Sub 48K start price

http://www.caradvice.com.au/385446/t...pecifications/

jgmdat · 21-10-2015, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Guys, the Everest and any other car in this category is the same. They aint pretty.

Glad someone said it, as much as I want to like the look of the Everest i can't. Explorer, well that's a whole different kettle of fish.

wagnman · 21-10-2015, 11:07 PM

After visiting the states recently i can tell you the fortuner is very popular there with some killer looking examples getting about that have a real trophy truck appeal to them. They look excellent with the usual suspension, rims, and bars mods most people do. The Toyota Tacoma also look great and in my opinion far better looking than the horrid new hilux Toyota has given us.

XR Martin · 22-10-2015, 09:35 AM

They dont sell the Fortuner in the US

MAGPIE · 22-10-2015, 11:05 AM

Cant believe people think the Everest looks as bad a the Fortuner

Vesper Martini · 22-10-2015, 11:10 AM

They have a forerunner in the US, which is what we used to know as the Hulux surf.
Interestingly I don't think they even sell Hilux in the US..

Fortuner is popular throughout Asia

**Polyal** · 22-10-2015, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MAGPIE

Cant believe people think the Everest looks as bad a the Fortuner

They are as ugly as each other in different ways.

XR Martin · 22-10-2015, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

They have a forerunner in the US, which is what we used to know as the Hulux surf.
Interestingly I don't think they even sell Hilux in the US..

Fortuner is popular throughout Asia

Tacoma is basically a Hilux.
4runner is a Tacoma SUV

Bossxr8 · 22-10-2015, 01:39 PM

Tacoma is bigger than Hilux. I have seen a new one. Very bland design though, looks like its 10 years old but its a current model. They have a V6.

Ben73 · 22-10-2015, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Tacoma is bigger than Hilux. I have seen a new one. Very bland design though, looks like its 10 years old but its a current model. They have a V6.

According to Wikipedia the Tacoma and Hilux are very similar in size. Bigger, but hardly worth being a completely different vehicle.

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Hilux

Length
Crew Cab: 5,260 mm
Width
Crew Cab & Extended Cab: 1,835 mm
Height
4WD: 1,795 mm

Tacoma

Length
Double Cab Short Bed: 5,286 mm
Double Cab Long Bed: 5,621 mm
Width
4WD: 1,897 mm
Height
Extended Cab & 4WD: 1,775 mm

What I found funny about the US is the amount of Asian cars they have that are almost exactly the same as the ones we have here, but differ ever so slightly. Seamed to be mostly from the Toyota stable.

Toyota Sequoia also seamed pretty popular, for times when the Land Cruiser 200 just isn't big enough.

Vesper Martini · 22-10-2015, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Tacoma is basically a Hilux.
4runner is a Tacoma SUV

So I read up on them

What I can gather they are Petrol only Hilux's with an American grill, softer suspension and somehow can take a bigger payload. oh and apparently they don't last as long..
the locals refer to them as Tacos.

**PepeLePew** · 22-10-2015, 04:25 PM

I have never read so much marketing fluff/spam from Toyota's marketing crew as I just read in that article. Worst part is, the whitegoods brigade will swallow it.

Brazen · 24-10-2015, 12:09 PM

Ford are now doing Ambiente at $56,990 drive away and Trend 62,990 drive away which improves the value a tad.