LPG converter and extractors = no fit :(

blueoval · 12-01-2009, 12:58 PM

Car is at the exhaust place as I type. Cut a long story short, Pacemaker 4480's or 4499's wont fit due to lpg converter being in the way.

Possible options to make it work are:

1. Move the converter to sit flat on top of rocker cover.
2. Remove LPG system altogether and stick with petrol. (not gonna happen)
3. Forget about extractors or any other mods as its too hard.
4. Remove AU header tank and replace with BA header tank and associated hosing to make more room on the shocker tower for the converter to be shifted up and forward.

I know Mechan1k has done option 4 to make his extractors fit. But I dont have any pics of seeing how this mod will look.

Based on his AU build thread, he mentions the use of a lower radiator hose from the header tank to radiator and also the smaller diameter longer length hose from the top of the radiator to be a longer length than the current AU one to avoid stretching.

Anyone done this mod or has advice? Pics?

*waits for Mechan1k to log on and offer advice*

EDIT: There could be another way. I could remove the converter, turn off the gas lines, get the exhaust place to fit the extractors with the heat shield and THEN refit the converter after. A better idea???

**Polyal** · 12-01-2009, 01:10 PM

So liquid injection is not an option?

blueoval · 12-01-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

So liquid injection is not an option?

Well Im not saying it isnt, but how does that help the extractor situation?

**Polyal** · 12-01-2009, 01:14 PM

Well I am actually a n00b with the new stuff, but I was under the impression that it gets directly injected so there is no converter like the old ones.....

But again, Im yet to do any research as such.

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superroo · 12-01-2009, 01:16 PM

Have a look here,
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=75227

Cheers

Also

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Originally Posted by Mechan1k

BA header tank is in place now and sooooooo much more room there ... have plenty of room to move the converter forward to accomodate the extractors now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JL

So the BA header tank fits in the AU? Been wanting to replace the one in my dads since it's all brown from rust...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mechan1k

It sure does ... make sure you get the BA lower radiator hose from the header tank ... as it is located in a different place in the BA tank from the AU tank ... and also get the smaller hose from the header tank to the top of the radiator extended ... as the tank size difference makes it stretch.

I bought a new hose (from header tank to thermostat) and cut it down to fit ... was cheap enough from Ford.

blueoval · 12-01-2009, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superroo

Have a look here,
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=75227

Cheers

Thanks for that link superroo, thats a big help in the right direction.

Polyal. Im no lpg expert either. I think the use of a converter of some kind would still be needed. Dont know. lol

hannem · 12-01-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by blueoval

Thanks for that link superroo, thats a big help in the right direction.

Polyal. Im no lpg expert either. I think the use of a converter of some kind would still be needed. Dont know. lol

Have liquid on my car and can definately tell you there is no converter. The LPG (in liquid form) is injected right in to the manifold.

Does not use a converter to turn it into a vapour.

Cheers

blueoval · 12-01-2009, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hannem

Have liquid on my car and can definately tell you there is no converter. The LPG (in liquid form) is injected right in to the manifold.

Does not use a converter to turn it into a vapour.

Cheers

Thanks for clarifying that for us mate. Can you tell me how much extra dough it would cost to convert my current dual fuel system to liquid injection?

**Polyal** · 12-01-2009, 03:25 PM

And if you are looking for a bit of power keep in mind liquid is the same, if not a tad better than petrol results.

So while yes it will be more initially, you should get more power and be more efficient than before.

I think the systems are around the $3k mark

TheSneakiness · 12-01-2009, 03:28 PM

Shav...

I got the 4480's to fit my old ute. I took it to a gas place and said to them that I was fitting extractors and that the number 3 & 4 pipes were going to foul on the converter and I wanted it moved.

At first they were a little hesistant but then said where did I want it moved? I said to them that's there's plenty of room in front of the 1 & 2 pipes and it could be moved there.

In the end they moved it backwards towards the 5 & 6 pipes and up. 4480's fit fine and I never had an issue with the header tank.

4499's were meant to fit with E-Gas and dual fuel cars. What happened there?

Kenny

mickyyyy · 12-01-2009, 03:45 PM

Just get a LPG installer who is confident enough to make it fit. Dosent seem like a huge job to do that.

blueoval · 12-01-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rapid_Axe

Shav...

I got the 4480's to fit my old ute. I took it to a gas place and said to them that I was fitting extractors and that the number 3 & 4 pipes were going to foul on the converter and I wanted it moved.

At first they were a little hesistant but then said where did I want it moved? I said to them that's there's plenty of room in front of the 1 & 2 pipes and it could be moved there.

In the end they moved it backwards towards the 5 & 6 pipes and up. 4480's fit fine and I never had an issue with the header tank.

4499's were meant to fit with E-Gas and dual fuel cars. What happened there?

Kenny

Thanks Kenny. So let me get this right, you bought your extractors, took them to an lpg fitter and got them to move the converter and fit the extractors in one hit?

Did any lines have to be cut when you relocated the unit?

Do you have any pics?

bodes-sh · 12-01-2009, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueoval

Thanks for clarifying that for us mate. Can you tell me how much extra dough it would cost to convert my current dual fuel system to liquid injection?

a touch under 5k and if you have claimed the rebate already, you can't claim it again for 3 years. nothing on the system you have on the car currently will suit liquid injection, everything is different.

oh, and i have 4499's and lpg and they fit fine, although the heat shield required some convincing

blueoval · 12-01-2009, 10:30 PM

thanks bodes-sh. your converter is much much smaller than mine. I have a bigger unit for my car. Gonna look at getting it moved back closer to the firewall in the morning.

bodes-sh · 12-01-2009, 11:36 PM

fair enough, is yours a factory vialle system? they are pretty big converters

blueoval · 13-01-2009, 06:53 PM

This is my converter as it is

Any suggestions???

WiggyMK2 · 13-01-2009, 08:38 PM

Ripping the system off? :P

InfernoSR · 13-01-2009, 11:54 PM

You can give me the extractors

Do you have a BA header tank to trial fit? as that option might be the only one to look at for now...

blueoval · 14-01-2009, 12:06 PM

Im thinking of maybe disconnecting the gas system for a while, removing the converter, fitting the extractors and relocating the converter after in the best area once the extractors are fitted. Good idea?

LOWAU · 14-01-2009, 12:37 PM

4499 extractors fit in my car with an IMPCO gas setup.

Heatsheild clears fine.

blueoval · 14-01-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWAU

4499 extractors fit in my car with an IMPCO gas setup.

Heatsheild clears fine.

Do you have any pictures I can see if your install?

**Mechan1k** · 15-01-2009, 12:47 AM

Well ... that's a Viale converter for sure ... but looks fatter than a factory dedicated one.

Yours has the extra heatshield as well ... you actually don't need that shield there ... my factory dedicated converter never had one ... and i just used my standard exhaust manifold heatshield to cover my extractors anyway.

I found in the end mine 4499's fitted .. just ... without needing to move the factory EGAS converter ... it was a tight squeeze ... but it fitted ... with the exhaust heatshield in place.

**Mechan1k** · 15-01-2009, 12:48 AM

Oh ... BA header tank looked so much neater than the AU one ... and it was cheap ... and crystal clean as well (remained like it too even after 150,000km).

blueoval · 15-01-2009, 11:14 AM

Thanks Simon.

Will be getting a gas installers honest opinion of the situation either today or tomorrow. That is the biggest converter I have seen in my history of having lpg cars.

I think even with the converter heat shield off its still an uphill battle.

Might need to look at the viable expense of fitting a smaller unit that still gives plenty of flow.

blueoval · 15-01-2009, 06:32 PM

Here is a pic from Timmy's AU with pacemakers

compared to my area or lack there of

NYTEYZ · 15-01-2009, 11:41 PM

Looking at getting a set of Extractors myself. would it be possible to get a measurement of the Pacie 4499's from the exhaust manifold to the furthest pipe so i can see if they'll fit without having to get my converter moved

Thanks
John

blueoval · 16-01-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NYTEYZ

Looking at getting a set of Extractors myself. would it be possible to get a measurement of the Pacie 4499's from the exhaust manifold to the furthest pipe so i can see if they'll fit without having to get my converter moved

Thanks
John

Thats probably not a bad idea John.

Id say by just matching up those 2 photo's that the converter needs to be relocated toward the front and lower. Almost sitting under the power steering pump to give sufficient clearance. With mine, thats the only spot I can see it even remotely looking like it could work. But Id need to remove that heat sheild from the converter as well as the heat shield from the exhaust manifold.

I cant get my car looked at by the gas guy till next week, so Im better off concentrating on other things till then. No point worrying about it. I need to sort some trans stuff out in the mean time.

NYTEYZ · 16-01-2009, 11:36 AM

Would it be possible to move the converter to the passenger side, say near the window washer bottle??

blueoval · 16-01-2009, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NYTEYZ

Would it be possible to move the converter to the passenger side, say near the window washer bottle??

I dont think think that would hurt as long as you have enough clearance from the hood to the top of the converter. But you would have to make sure the pipes leading to the converter were extended sufficiently. Hell, you could even re-route the battery to the boot and stick the converter where the battery normally sits!

T-Pak Addict · 18-01-2009, 06:43 PM

I have a vialle convertor and a set of genies on mine... had to move the convertor forward to do it tho.... Fitted a BA Header tank too