Job Security,is there such a thing ?

[buggerlugs]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...=1404421465181
Perfect example.................
Would be a tough job but with 40 years experience you'd think he would know what he was doing...........

[Trevor 57]

Not anymore, no more 'job for life' these days

[Polyal]

I dont think I would want a job for life, woudlnt that be boring?

[Nova 8]

I know a lot of places I have worked at have always fired people in this situation and then IF the person kicks up about it they investigate and either standby their decision or rehire/payout the person. If the person doesn't kick up then "obviously" they were "correct" in firing them.

[Polyal]

^^Thats weird.

I dont know..max id stay in one place would be 10 years.

The economy (globally) is just such a dynamic place now (has been for a while I guess) that companies are happy to uproot and leave when they want. Markets are more open which is good for consumers in a way but leaves us more open to be replaced.

The trick is finding an industry that is stable (all go up and down) and making yourself valuable.

[DJR-351]

It's not that long ago where someone like Mr D’Costa (by doing what he did) would have been held up as a shining light, a good example of doing what was right by protecting those in his charge, instead he put's himself in the firing line of three idiots harassing others and get's shafted.......madness...

No doubt the three clowns will be getting a chuckle out of this....

[Polyal]

As for that case I really hope there is more to that story. I just cant trust most media outlets..someone always has a spin on it or a agenda to push.

[cheap]

No, there is no longer job for life security, perhaps the odd socialist economy exist but they've mostly converted to open markets.

A) if you're ambitious and rise up through the ranks eventually you will hit a ceiling and become too expensive for the company - experience is a distance second place to profits

B) if you're a plodder happy to come to work 9-5, not make trouble, then eventually some young know-it-all boss will terminate you through a restructure or merger

C) public servants are still semi-protected but that is changing too

D) more people are contracting, FIFO, work on a project and when it's finished look for the next gig

E) off course there are exceptions, being a senion union official is one, they seem to be unsackable

F) being a expert in your profession helps too, gifted surgeons, lawyers and so on seem to have longevity of employment

Given the way employment works today, if you haven't paid off your mortgage by 45-50, have a good super nest egg or invested wisely then you're in for a world of financial pain.

[LyleXR8]

Always job security if you work in a funeral home!

[DJM83]

Im 31 this year and have been with the same company for the last 14yrs. How long ill be there i dont know, 5 years ago my job was very secure. Now probably not so much but still people need what i work for so while i do get a little worried sometimes the worry isnt too high i guess.
As for a job for life, ill stay here i have no reason to leave it at the moment either and i do get reasonable money too for what i do.

[Uncle Niceguy]

It really depends on the industry and what you specialise in, for instance my dad since leaving the navy in 1997 has never been out of work, technically he has not been unemployed since leaving for the navy at the age of 16, so l would say he has almost always had secure employment prospects and will continue to do so as long as Search & Rescue (SAR) is always around along with customs aircraft that use the specialised equipment that my dad has been trained to use also by his consistent up skilling keeps him in reasonably high demand, that said the governments fund cutting has him feeling a tad insecure atm, but he'll always be supremely employable for the right company.

[MercurySilver]

12 and a half years here

if you lot keep drinking grog ill still have a job

so get skulling

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

There are still jobs out there where you have job security and can work for the same employer for your entire career.

One of the three armed forces would be a glaring example.

Originally Posted by Polyal

I dont think I would want a job for life, woudlnt that be boring?

See, with an organisation like the armed services, you cna stay with the one employer your entire career and still have variety of employment. And the job is still pretty secure. Best of both worlds, if that is what you are after

Craig H

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by psychobimbo

There are still jobs out there where you have job security and can work for the same employer for your entire career.

One of the three armed forces would be a glaring example.

Whats secure about being blown up in a foreign country?

JP

[mik]

There probably still are certain jobs that you can get life time employment, imo they would be few and far between compared to the old days, unless you have a very sought after skill set.
the days of rolling up to a council depot and joining a road crew or parks and gardens for life are dead and buried, this seems to me to be a big problem for now and the future, with the countrys changes us becoming an import country and our losing a huge chunk of our manufacturing,
a lot of prospective employers that once catered for those with a lower skill set/capability are gone.
I might be proved wrong, but I think we may pay a big price for a short term gain we might have acquired sacrifing our manufacturing. .

[mechanic]

Longest period in any one job for me was 2 years 7 months. Started work in 66 and ended in 2006.

[Geez Louise]

I think companies with good job security are still around. The company I work for has loads of people who have been working there for 7yrs+. One guy has been there just over 15yrs. It is a great company and they have steady work contracts for at least the next 5yrs...so unless I stuff up badly, (and trust me, it will have to be really bad considering what I have already buggered up since I started ) I will still be there in 5yrs time.

There are places out there...they are just harder to come by

Cheers
Col

[Davehoos]

the days of rolling up to a council depot and joining a road crew or parks and gardens for life are dead and buried,

Hope not-been getting on average 3 BBQ presentations a year for 40 or 50 years service. retirement Im told is around 75 years.

I never had long service leave before. most of the better paying companies folded up so they could walk away from expenditure due and liabilities.

[mik]

Originally Posted by Davehoos

Hope not-been getting on average 3 BBQ presentations a year for 40 or 50 years service. retirement Im told is around 75 years.

I never had long service leave before. most of the better paying companies folded up so they could walk away from expenditure due and liabilities.

I have no doubt about that Davehoos, i also have a mate that's been in the council for decades, but i firmly believe if you where to go looking for that sort of job today as a young buck ...... the outcome would be very different.

[Z2TT]

Hi Guys. I logged in to find some info, don't come here often but just saw this post on the main screen.

I'd say no there is no security.

I used to work for a company that made mining equipment, of-course safety was a big priority on paper, we had to wear protective glasses at all times in the production floor. 3 Warnings and you are fired.

There was a full time employee who had been there for about 15-17 years, longest out of anybody, as the company mostly hired and fired casual employees on a regular basis.

He had accumulated quite a lot of leave and never used it, and he tried to use it one day all at once, I think it was denied initially.

After that event where he was denied to take his leave, whether it was coincidential or not I cannot pass 100% Judgement, but he had noticed that he had been caught out a lot for not wearing his protective glasses, even things minor like not having them on for a split second right after walking through the door of the shop, or when walking out of the lunch room.

Eventually, he got 3 warnings and was Fired.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Z2TT

Hi Guys. I logged in to find some info, don't come here often but just saw this post on the main screen.

I'd say no there is no security.

I used to work for a company that made mining equipment, of-course safety was a big priority on paper, we had to wear protective glasses at all times in the production floor. 3 Warnings and you are fired.

There was a full time employee who had been there for about 15-17 years, longest out of anybody, as the company mostly hired and fired casual employees on a regular basis.

He had accumulated quite a lot of leave and never used it, and he tried to use it one day all at once, I think it was denied initially.

After that event where he was denied to take his leave, whether it was coincidential or not I cannot pass 100% Judgement, but he had noticed that he had been caught out a lot for not wearing his protective glasses, even things minor like not having them on for a split second right after walking through the door of the shop, or when walking out of the lunch room.

Eventually, he got 3 warnings and was Fired.

And That's to avoid paying out leave.

Companies are so focused on profits these days, squeezing the lemon for all its worth, then using the skin.

One example is at my work. Full timers, when they start at midday onwards get a penalty rate. I cant say how much it is, I really dont know. However, the pressure has been on the manager to keep hours/wage costs down. So now they start the afternoon kitchen lady at 11:45am and finish at 7:45pm as opposed to Midday - 8pm for 3 Days a week. Yes, 15mins difference. Saving $300 a fortnight (Roster period).

Companies Nickel and Dime for every cent they can get these days.

[MercurySilver]

that **** wouldnt fly at my work
they would get that far behind because people would slow down and then pick on absolutely every safety thing possible and machinery would be tagged out left right and centre for absolute trivial things
it would cost them more in the long run

so they save 300 a fortnight as managers
but i bet they still get their perks and i bet that high managers still get the company car and card and use it for personal business
our last EB negotiation they wanted to take away our income protection policy we had in place (a policy we gave up a significant pay rise for one year that they actually offered us as a company) but wanted to keep if for all salary employees
why?
due to costs, they said it was costing too much money
there was two salary positions to every wage one....go figure
so its comes down to vote on the new EB put forward
they were completely shocked when 3 people out of 200 voted for it
next offer....no change to income protection policy

companies are trying everything to cut costs so they can keep the profits the same and it always starts with teh people on the floor getting shafted first

[MDS69]

I am 19 years service in September. My boss has 43 years. We have heaps with over 20 years then others with 30 and 40 plus years. We have had apprentices from their teens who have then gone onto retire and not at 63 or what ever it is but nearly 70.
This is in a site based construction company

[Davehoos]

GOVERNMENT JOB.

ICAC stopped loads of what gone one-good or bad.

If you are young or even under 35 you have next to no chance of getting in the front door by walking of the street.
Im 50 year old-and I did get a job walking in off the street. For every job we have we get 3-9 worth.

Trainee systems or Current Technical qualification system is a JOKE.

The design of HR-is to stop people from being employed. anyone out there that is convinced they can stand in front of a crowd and explain how it works-is having themselves on or forgot to take their tablets.

We had casual that have been employed for years-I thought was illegal-on premium wages that have been passed over for permanent positions for complete morons. The reason being they have to pay the labour hire companies a poaching premium. Why not think of it as a trial employment premium.....

Private employment.
mixed bag there.. smaller industry are hand strung by regulations aimed at medium organisations. large organisations---part of doing business.

[LTDHO]

IMO job security is long gone. It's rare that people hold jobs more than 20 years. Employers know that any member of staff can be replaced with a younger cheap version of most of you (me included).

[nitro50th]

I've been employed now for 14 years at the same company (manufacturing).

In 2009 they went into administration (luckily being bought out, unluckily by a chinese company) and the workforce went from over 400 full-timers down to 130. I was one of the lucky ones.

Since then you can count the amount of new full-timers on one hand, but it has been a revolving door of casuals. Some last a week, some months.
It gets frustrating that it can take weeks to train someone to competently perform an operation, then they leave or get shown the door.

We recently got told that the doors are closing at the end of october. The contracts didnt get renewed and there will be no new ones, thus ending over 40 years of production.

There's certainly no job security when most places seem to favour hiring on a casual basis.

[Revolver]

Now that I think of it, politicians.

Even after being booted, they still get a pension (substantially larger than they regular pension) an wind up getting a job in the private sector anyway. Or become a back bencher. I mean you can stuff up serverely (genuine stuff up not just what we think is wrong) in that job and still keep a form of employment as part if a political party.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

IMO job security is long gone. It's rare that people hold jobs more than 20 years. Employers know that any member of staff can be replaced with a younger cheap version of most of you (me included).

The two best tradesmen I had the pleasure of working with are in their late 40s and early 60s.

The old boys who have been doing it for years are at the top of their game, not worth replacing no matter what they cost, the only thing it will cost you is your reputation.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Revolver

Now that I think of it, politicians.

Even after being booted, they still get a pension (substantially larger than they regular pension) an wind up getting a job in the private sector anyway.

You know why that happens? Because they cut a deal and modified some legislation for said private industry, why else would they be shown into some big private company after they leave politics when they're a useless pack of brown floaters?

[Crazy Dazz]

Job Security is attainable, but should NEVER be a "right."
If you're a good worker, for a good company, in a good industry, in a good economy, then those conditions create "job security." But it only takes one leg to weaken for the table to fall over.

The biggest problem with the concept of "job security" is that it often results in workers & their unions demanding that employers insulate them from reality.
The car industry is an obvious example. No mater how much they demand it, auto workers have NO job security, because their employers are closing up shop.