Biggest local recall in automotive history - To be announced today

[GO FURTHER]

Over 2 million cars are set to be recalled over the Takata airbag issue.
Unless the car is fixed, it cannot be sold.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-2...recall/9491766

[Sioso]

"Unless the car is fixed, it cannot be sold".

Where does it say that?

[rods falcon]

Originally Posted by Sioso

"Unless the car is fixed, it cannot be sold".

Where does it say that?

That's what is being said in the radio news this morning.

[Trump]

One particular muppet on said wireless went even further and said that the compulsory recall means that the affected cars can't be driven until they are fixed.

/uselessidiots

[GO FURTHER]

Technically speaking, if an airbag is known to be faulty, it won’t pass a roadworthy, so may be hard to sell and transfer registration to the new owner.

On the question of driving it.... Is it legal to drive an unroadworthy car?

Would your insurance pay out in the event of of an accident causing injury due to the airbag not working and a recall was issued on the vehicle.

[roddy1960]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-2...e-list/8722914..Seems to be from today on ABC. As at 8.00 am update only one Ford , not even a current model , Mustang from 2006-2014 on the list. Heaps and heaps of Honda's and Mitsubishi , Toyota , Nissan though ..
I read somewhere that the Fords affected will mostly be from Europe . Not certain if that's right though going by this list .

[csv8]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-2...e-list/8722914..Seems to be from today on ABC. As at 8.00 am update only one Ford , not even a current model , Mustang from 2006-2014 on the list. Heaps and heaps of Honda's and Mitsubishi , Toyota , Nissan though ..
I read somewhere that the Fords affected will mostly be from Europe . Not certain if that's right though going by this list .

The only Ford on the list is the Mustang.

[DJR-351]

If you want to find out more go to the ACCC website below, some recalls are immediate (Alpha airbags) and some have until Dec 31 2020 to be rectified (or later in some instances if approved by the ACCC)

Lots more info....

https://www.productsafety.gov.au/rec...-airbag-recall

https://www.productsafety.gov.au/rec...-airbag-recall

....etc etc

Also...

Which vehicles are the highest priorities for airbag replacement?

Replacements of alpha airbags in vehicles must be scheduled immediately as they pose the highest risk of rupture.

For vehicles that contain other types of defective Takata airbags, older vehicles and those exposed long-term to hot and humid conditions are at increased risk of an inflator rupture. Driver side airbags (as compared with passenger side airbags) also pose increased risk of serious injury or death if a rupture does occur due to the proximity of the airbag to the driver and its positioning in the steering wheel.

Consequently, the compulsory recall requires suppliers to prioritise replacement of airbags in vehicles which fall into one or more of the following categories:

1. vehicles currently registered in areas of high heat and humidity
2. older vehicles, particularly those that are older than 6 years
3. vehicles with driver-side inflators.

And the only reference to selling on a vehicle under active recall i could find is....

What about second-hand vehicles?

Regardless of whether you bought your vehicle brand new or second hand, you are entitled to receive a replacement airbag free of charge.

To ensure that you are notified if your vehicle is subject to the Takata airbag recall, you should contact the Australian office of the manufacturer of your vehicle to ensure that they have your current contact details.

If your vehicle is affected by the recall, and you sell your car prior to receiving your final replacement, you should advise the new owner that the vehicle has an affected Takata airbag that will require replacement, and contact the Australian office of the manufacturer and provide them with the new owner’s contact details (with the new owner’s consent).

I recently bought a second hand car and have just received a letter about the recall. I wasn’t told about the recall when I purchased the car. What are my rights?

Businesses must not sell cars that are under active recall before having the defective Takata airbag replaced. Businesses that fail to do so may face penalties for non-compliance with the compulsory recall

If your car was under active recall at the time you purchased it from a second-hand dealer, please report it to us.

If recall action is not yet initiated for the car, and the second-hand dealer knows that the vehicle is subject to future recall, then the dealer can still sell it to you, provided they inform you about the future recall. They must also advise you of the risk associated with the airbag. This information must be given to you verbally and in writing.

.....other than the above i haven't found anything more re a private individual not been able to sell a car under active recall, seems to be
business only restriction....

[solarite_guy]

Perfect buying opportunity for a 2013-2014 Alloy block Coyote powered Mustang GT

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Technically speaking, if an airbag is known to be faulty, it won’t pass a roadworthy, so may be hard to sell and transfer registration to the new owner.

On the question of driving it.... Is it legal to drive an unroadworthy car?

Would your insurance pay out in the event of of an accident causing injury due to the airbag not working and a recall was issued on the vehicle.

From the FAQs page on the ACCC Product Safety Page:

Does the recall affect my vehicle registration or insurance?

The recall of the airbag in a vehicle does not make the vehicle unroadworthy or unregisterable. Contact your state or territory vehicle registration authority for further information regarding registration of an affected vehicle.

The recall should not affect your insurance. If your insurer tells you otherwise, you should seek confirmation of your insurer’s position in writing so that you may seek advice from the Insurance Council of Australia and/or the ACCC. If the issue is not resolved, please report it to us and provide a copy of the advice you have received from the insurer.

Further to the above, the following advice is important:

What is a Takata alpha airbag?

Alpha airbags are a subset of Takata airbags that were installed in some vehicles supplied in Australia between 2001 and 2004. Alpha airbags have been identified as posing a significantly higher safety risk than other Takata inflators because they have been shown to rupture more frequently.

It is critical that owners of vehicles with alpha airbags take immediate steps to have the airbag inflators replaced because of the significant risk of injury or death associated with these inflators.

It is strongly recommended that owners of these vehicles stop driving their vehicles immediately. The supplier must offer to arrange for your vehicle to be towed to the place of replacement or for a qualified technician to travel to you (or some similar arrangement) so that you do not have to drive your vehicle if you do not wish to do so.

[roddy1960]

Out of interest though . In my AU built in April 2001 , would the driver and passenger airbags be likely still okay in terms of functionality. Have heard that they do have a finite lifespan and some crowds advocate replacement after several years. . If any truth in that , its a bloody wonder that the Government don't impose a mandatory replacement or re certification every so many years then isn't it ?

Further to that do later model cars show fault codes for airbags other than they are electronically connected. Just because they're in place correctly and the relays to operate are showing as okay does that mean necessary that the propellant mixture inside is still totally functional if /when it deploys.

Imagine if you did legally have to replace or have them re certified at regular intervals a bit like with fire extinguishers and dealerships on pre owned cars had to document that for insurance and liability purposes before selling on. Expensive perhaps certainly added on to your purchase.

[M&Ms]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

Out of interest though . In my AU built in April 2001 , would the driver and passenger airbags be likely still okay in terms of functionality. Have heard that they do have a finite lifespan

They are designed for a minimum 25 year life.

[GasoLane]

Choice Magazine reported this in July last year, it's good to see the ACCC is on the ball

[lra]

I find it hard to believe that owners of affected cars are still oblivious to it.
This fault has not been a secret. It has been widely publicised on Australian media since the 'scandal' broke some time ago. You don't need to be a car nut to know about it.
None of my friend's, or family's cars are on list, and if they had been, I would have been telling them about it.

[csv8]

Takata went bankrupt. Another Company has taken over..
"The bankruptcy of troubled airbag maker Takata isn't just a crisis for its employees and suppliers. It also throws a wild card into one of the biggest and most complicated recalls in automotive history.
The auto-parts supplier has pledged to recall and replace tens of millions of defective air-bag inflators used by 19 car and truck makers around the world, from Tesla to Toyota. Takata filed on Monday for bankruptcy protection in the US and Japan and announced a takeover by Key Safety Systems for 175 billion yen (A$2.07billion).
The filing to restructure, which listed more than $13 billion in liabilities, doesn't relieve a manufacturer of recall responsibilities. However, should its financial assets be exhausted before all the work is done, carmakers may have to cover the difference.
US bankruptcy laws permit a would-be buyer to acquire Takata's desirable assets, but not necessarily assume unwanted liabilities - including recall obligations, according to Robert Rasmussen, a University of Southern California law professor specialising in corporate reorganisations."
https://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/...0170626-gwylc9

[Bossxr8]

Why is the Mustang on the list when it was never sold here?

Grey imports don't count do they?

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Why is the Mustang on the list when it was never sold here?

Grey imports don't count do they?

It depends. Also in the FAQs page referenced above:

What should I do about my grey/parallel imported vehicle?

The compulsory recall only applies to suppliers in Australia. If you own an enthusiast or specialty vehicle that is not generally available for sale in Australia (sometimes known as a grey or parallel import), you should contact the manufacturer’s head office in the country the vehicle was imported from to check whether it has an affected Takata airbag that requires replacement.

If you purchased the vehicle directly from an overseas company and imported it into Australia on your own behalf, you should contact the vehicle manufacturer’s Australian office to see if they can arrange a replacement or provide the necessary spare parts.

If you purchased the grey/parallel imported vehicle from a business in Australia, you should check with them to see if your vehicle is affected by the compulsory recall. As the supplier, the grey/parallel import business is required to arrange for the airbag to be replaced in your vehicle. If the business will not replace your airbag, please report it to us.

[paulb351]

Originally Posted by lra

I find it hard to believe that owners of affected cars are still oblivious to it.
This fault has not been a secret. It has been widely publicised on Australian media since the 'scandal' broke some time ago. You don't need to be a car nut to know about it.
None of my friend's, or family's cars are on list, and if they had been, I would have been telling them about it.

Problem is replacement parts, some owners have had old alpha bags replaced under voluntary recall by new alpha units whilst waiting for a suitable replacement (updated) model airbag so many don’t bother or respond to manufacturer requests. This will make all affected eventually get proper replacements.,,


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[danzvtil]

Ugh,lots of hysterical callers to talk back radio today, FFS call your nearest dealer, give em your rego or vin and get a yes or no answer.
My exes Honda was done recently, she was told to allow 3 hours so booked a loan car, on check in they said it could be done within half an hour so never needed the loan car.

[Windsor220]

This is almost a year old now. We've already done hundreds at our dealership. Not sure why this is a thing again.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

This is almost a year old now. We've already done hundreds at our dealership. Not sure why this is a thing again.

Because govco has been convinced that there are far more cars with the suspect Takata airbags.

I heard whispers today that AU and BA had Takata airbags and will be on the new list that will be released in April.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Technically speaking, if an airbag is known to be faulty, it won’t pass a roadworthy, so may be hard to sell and transfer registration to the new owner.

On the question of driving it.... Is it legal to drive an unroadworthy car?

Would your insurance pay out in the event of of an accident causing injury due to the airbag not working and a recall was issued on the vehicle.

It’s why every vehicle I ever sell has a receipt both the buyer and I keep a copy of with the line “sold as is, with faults if any”

[OzJavelin]

Originally Posted by Trump

Because govco has been convinced that there are far more cars with the suspect Takata airbags.

I heard whispers today that AU and BA had Takata airbags and will be on the new list that will be released in April.

Ahhh .... I'm starting to feel safer in my 1965 Chev Corvair now ....

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Trump

Because govco has been convinced that there are far more cars with the suspect Takata airbags.

I heard whispers today that AU and BA had Takata airbags and will be on the new list that will be released in April.

Incorrect. Nothing local is affected.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Incorrect. Nothing local is affected.

Agreed, I had incorrect information. BA bags were supplied by Autoliv, not sure about AU.

[Maka]

I just found this (with thanks to Drive.com.au) -

Ford to recall 108,000 cars with Takata airbags

Ford has announced plans to recall around 108,000 cars under mandatory action triggered by the ACCC.

The government body moved to force carmakers to recall any cars with Takata-made airbags that pose a risk to consumers.

A statement issued by the brand said it will start recalling Australian models on Friday March 2, making older cars in high-humidity areas its top priority.

“Ford is committed to providing our customers with top quality vehicles,” it says.

“We are equally committed to addressing potential issues and responding quickly to our customers.”

The brand will contact customers as part of rolling recalls to be completed by 2021.

The only Ford vehicles affected prior to Today’s announcement were a small number of US-built Mustangs supplied by low-volume importers.

Vehicles impacted by the issue include the medium-sized Mondeo, Ranger and Courier utes and Econovan light commercial vehicles.

Australian Ford vehicles impacted by Takata airbag recalls.

2006-2011 Ranger (approximately 69,500 vehicles)

2004-2005 Econovan (approx. 1300)

2004-2006 Courier (approx. 21,000)

2007-2009 Mondeo (approx. 9500)

2015-2017 Mondeo (approx. 6500)

https://m.drive.com.au/motor-news/fo...airbags-117412

Theres one comment in the comments section which is a bit of a eye opener..

cheers, Maka

[DJR-351]

And from 2014....

Special Report: Plant with troubled past at center of Takata air bag probe.

CIUDAD FRONTERA Mexico/DETROIT (Reuters) - The dusty, industrial town of Ciudad Frontera, Mexico, has moved from the far reaches of the global auto supply chain to the front lines of an investigation into why air bags from Takata Corp are blowing up with lethal force in accidents.......read on

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...0J41BX20141120

[Sprintey]

Move plant from US to Mexico
Save 70Mn in labour costs, reduce unit price, happy days
Pressure plant for volume
Plant blows up
Airbags made are defective and people die
Lawsuits
Company goes Chapter 11, kaput, its gone
Enormous recall far outweighs the price per unit saved
Not very clever boardroom

[happy1]

Another problem is any 2nd hand airbags laying around at all wreckers and private.

I have read somewhere that one of the deaths in US took place in a vehicle that already had been through recall and replacement, but detail investigation found it had since been a repaired vehicle, where an Alpha airbag had been sourced 2nd hand, and installed into a repairable writeoff, and when the accident happened the driver was killed by shrapnel. It was a Honda, and I read that Honda US had since purchased ALL second hand airbags they could get their hands on from wreckers and Ebay, and other sources, in order to destruct them.
The same problem will happen here in Australia. Personally I have left over a non-deployed Ranger airbag of the type that is now recalled. The vehicle it came from is unlicensed and I should really throw the airbag away, not sell it. Maybe I should list it on Ebay and wait for Ford Australia to buy it back for destruction ;-) The same with wrecking yards, I just looked at Ebay, there are at least 5 old airbags for sale for PJ or PK Ranger, and more than 6 airbags for the identical BT50 model, all of them are the affected Takata airbags.
Cheers,

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Over 2 million cars are set to be recalled over the Takata airbag issue.
Unless the car is fixed, it cannot be sold.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-2...recall/9491766

What a joke. Vioxx killed an estimate 50,000 people but Merck is still in business peddling their pharmaceutical junk. No government intervention there.