Comrade Dan's government has covertly intorduced a new level of surveillance?

[Syndrome]

Late last year I noticed these cameras were present on many intersections in my part of Melbourne. Must be new as I don't recall seeing them before.

When were they introduced? Was it announced to the public that these were going to be introduced? What is the purpose of these cameras? I see that existing cameras at these intersection have not been removed.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Late last year I noticed these cameras were present on many intersections in my part of Melbourne. Must be new as I don't recall seeing them before.

When were they introduced? Was it announced to the public that these were going to be introduced? What is the purpose of these cameras? I see that existing cameras at these intersection have not been removed.

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[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

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Hopefully I get invited to their Christmas party, parliament house throws a mad social event it seems

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Late last year I noticed these cameras were present on many intersections in my part of Melbourne. Must be new as I don't recall seeing them before.

When were they introduced? Was it announced to the public that these were going to be introduced? What is the purpose of these cameras? I see that existing cameras at these intersection have not been removed.

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CCTV more used for traffic flows and has been occasionally used by crime squads in tracking movement of those under surveillance. Such footage has often been used to prove a suspect was in the area.
The old adage if you're not doing anything wrong there's nothing to worry about.

[wodahs]

hardly covert
think its time to at least loosen that tin foil hat a little its reducing your eye sight if you believe thats a hidden spy camera

its as DR Smith said

you dont want to be tracked , but probably be happy they are there it you were assaulted and wanted the perps brought to justice

where do you draw the line ?

[martyk54]

How about a targeted approach?

Strange they don't put cameras out the front and surrounding the bikie gangs club houses (on the council property obviously). These are people who without any question are consistently breaking the law. No, they choose to follow them around in plain view instead when on club rides.

I know they put some 'smart cameras' up around Melbourne to spot those not social distancing and / or wearing masks. The military patrolling the beach for non-mask wearers down my way (Surf Coast) in Oct was the best one, no person who didn't live through this will ever believe it without seeing the pics. Only in Victoria.

[jaydee]

The Tiger is watching too.

[Rallye Sport]

Sees new camera in street and takes a picture with smart phone.

"The outrage, how dare they be watching me" Puts said smart phone back in pocket and walks away.

Anyone else feel a sense of irony?

[DJM83]

Don't really see any issue with this.
I live in a small town.

We have em in the main street.

Been a few instances where ppl have been caught doing the wrong thing with them.

How are they an issue.

Someone has beef with the government it seems.

[creative]

I have zero issues with cctv. Its a benefit if you ask me.

A little story for you.

I used to run bars and clubs in Sheffield city center in the UK. Every bar/shop could pay a small subscription fee to the police which allowed your premises to have a radio with a directlink to the cctv operators. It was one of the best systems I have ever used and was invaluable to have the ability to ask them to point a camera at the door before an incident even occured. It also allowed other premises to know what was going on and who to look for.

Many times I was able to assist other bars in the area by sending my door team to assist in the event of a major issue.

[xxx000]

Seems to me that someone is towing the Murdoch line by name calling Andrews and blaming/criticising him for anything and everything they can.
Simple solution is don't watch Sky or Fox or read Murdoch papers. Your blood pressure will reduce as a side benefit.

[FairmontGS]

It's Richmond, crime capital of Melbourne. What do you expect?

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Late last year I noticed these cameras were present on many intersections in my part of Melbourne. Must be new as I don't recall seeing them before.

When were they introduced? Was it announced to the public that these were going to be introduced? What is the purpose of these cameras? I see that existing cameras at these intersection have not been removed.

In this day and age cameras on street corners, shopping strips, shops, business premises, servos, cars, trucks buses and even out in the bush strapped to trees.
Welcome to big brothers world.

[foxtrot3]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

It's Richmond, crime capital of Melbourne. What do you expect?

Hi. Is that why they are all over Dandenong and Noble park as well? Cheers MD

[T3rminator]

lol i think there is some dan derangement syndrome here. These cameras have been around for a while now, and probably just been rolled out to more places.

I don't see the problem. They can be at every street corner for all I care.

Take London as a comparison, it one of the most densely CCTVed places in the world per square inch. Some suggest its even more CCTVed than China. The benefit? People generally "feel" safe. You will see groups of females walk /stumble home at 4am after a night out, no problems.

Here, I have some female friends who are afraid to walk from the car park to the pub in some areas. They "feel" unsafe. I don't get it, but its how they "feel". I actually have to go out, meet them at the car park, and walk them in. How ridiculous is that? If these cameras make good citizens feel safer, then I'm all for it.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

The old adage if you're not doing anything wrong there's nothing to worry about.

Ah, is that like the Terry Pratchett quote

"The Axiom 'Honest men have nothing to fear from the police' is currently under review by the Axioms Review Board."

[zipping]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Seems to me that someone is towing the Murdoch line by name calling Andrews and blaming/criticising him for anything and everything they can.
Simple solution is don't watch Sky or Fox or read Murdoch papers. Your blood pressure will reduce as a side benefit.

Abbott, Trump, Howard, Bush, Morrison, Reagan, Thatcher are all blamed/criticised for anything and everything they can be. The practice referred to by those on those on the centre-right as (insert name) Derangement Syndrome.

Simple solution, read more, particularly history. As a side benefit you may reduce your blood pressure but more importantly understand that "towing the Murdoch line" is in itself a leftist talking point commonly known as propaganda, which is essentially what you accuse the OP of.

To keep on track I note that speed camera's are now "safety camera's" in Vic -

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Late last year I noticed these cameras were present on many intersections in my part of Melbourne. Must be new as I don't recall seeing them before.

When were they introduced? Was it announced to the public that these were going to be introduced? What is the purpose of these cameras? I see that existing cameras at these intersection have not been removed.

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ummm, firstly i take offence at him being called 'Comrade' Dan, that is a **** insinuation, secondly I think you will find it is LOCAL Governments who put up security camera's, and Vicroads for traffic management, so if you are going to be a smart-***, it is best to get your facts right

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I think you will find it is LOCAL Governments who put up security camera's, and Vicroads for traffic management

Well you would say that though Trev... plenty of evidence if you care to look. DYOR.

https://www.google.com/search?q=is+v...4dUDCA0&uact=5

[Polyal]

Trump thread gone so I guess this is the new topic?

These cameras are very useful for actually catching the scum that do prowl out streets.

If anyone actually thinks that the gov wants to track normal people, or even have the resources for that then they need a hobby.

[kaniSS]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Hopefully I get invited to their Christmas party, parliament house throws a mad social event it seems

You and I aren't invited but we will sure as hell be paying for them to booze it up for free.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Well you would say that though Trev... plenty of evidence if you care to look. DYOR.

https://www.google.com/search?q=is+v...4dUDCA0&uact=5

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Me and the majority of Victorians

and what does this have to do with CCTV?

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Well you would say that though Trev... plenty of evidence if you care to look. DYOR.

https://www.google.com/search?q=is+v...4dUDCA0&uact=5

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A lot of estrogen in that photo.

Ask Wuhan Dan where the boots are made now.

[George V]

Not sure what the story is in VIC but in NSW CCTV cameras in public places are mostly installed & maintained by local councils. These are separate from specific transport related systems within their respective areas or other specific systems used by law enforcement.

There are many cameras at intersections, these are managed by TMC (Transport Management Centre) which controls the road network among other things. We do not pay any attention to them until you have a reason to.

Recently, we did some work which involved closing a lane of traffic on a road, had a TMC camera firmly pointed at us most of the time. It was helpful, when we could not find the owner of a car parked in the way, traffic control was setup in a less than ideal manner; Police arrived shortly, sent by TMC, they spoke to the owner of the vehicle and got it moved to make it safer.

Moral of the story is – We may not want these cameras pointing at us but they do serve a purpose. Camera operators probably have better things to do than checking who is picking their nose.

Every action of operator is logged so anyone being nosy can get in to serious trouble, it is like every other area where persons have access to sensitive info.

Regards,
George V

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Here, I have some female friends who are afraid to walk from the car park to the pub in some areas. They "feel" unsafe. I don't get it, but its how they "feel". I actually have to go out, meet them at the car park, and walk them in. How ridiculous is that? If these cameras make good citizens feel safer, then I'm all for it.

It's actually not ridiculous at all. It can be hard to understand when it's not something that affects your daily life but majority of women are on guard and scoping their surroundings the moment they leave their front door.

Most avoid walking in dark spots in preference of lit up areas, will take a long way around to avoid walking through a park, keep a mental note on who's walking near them and if they're being followed, wrap their keys through their fingers when walking home from the train at night, lock their car doors as soon as they get in, etc etc I could go on.

Men typically get to walk down the street at night with no fear but women don't really have that luxury. Women often can't avoid walking down the street at night to get home from work and then if they're raped/murdered we all hear the blaming again, "being outside of a house at night is not safe and women need to keep themselves safer" as if most women don't already take excessive measures to try and avoid violent men.

You could probably fall asleep out on a park bench and wake up in the morning without having been raped, but if a woman did that she'd be told it was her fault for not keeping herself out of harm's way.

Please have a little more empathy for the women in your life who are trying to keep themselves safe.

I believe there's been a nation-wide push to increase CCTV coverage after Eunji Ban, Jill Meagher, Eurydice Dixon and countless other murders.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by leesa

Please have a little more empathy for the women in your life who are trying to keep themselves safe.

Yeh I get it now. Was a bit of a "culture shock" when I came back from overseas. Was given a real dressing down when I made fun of it at the start. I had not followed the local news.

Given some of recent events, I'm all for anything that will act as a deterrent and make people feel more safe/free.

[tweeked]

I don't see an issue at all with cameras is strategic places. As long as they are not pointed at private dwellings.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by leesa

It's actually not ridiculous at all. It can be hard to understand when it's not something that affects your daily life but majority of women are on guard and scoping their surroundings the moment they leave their front door.

Most avoid walking in dark spots in preference of lit up areas, will take a long way around to avoid walking through a park, keep a mental note on who's walking near them and if they're being followed, wrap their keys through their fingers when walking home from the train at night, lock their car doors as soon as they get in, etc etc I could go on.

Men typically get to walk down the street at night with no fear but women don't really have that luxury. Women often can't avoid walking down the street at night to get home from work and then if they're raped/murdered we all hear the blaming again, "being outside of a house at night is not safe and women need to keep themselves safer" as if most women don't already take excessive measures to try and avoid violent men.

You could probably fall asleep out on a park bench and wake up in the morning without having been raped, but if a woman did that she'd be told it was her fault for not keeping herself out of harm's way.

Please have a little more empathy for the women in your life who are trying to keep themselves safe.

I believe there's been a nation-wide push to increase CCTV coverage after Eunji Ban, Jill Meagher, Eurydice Dixon and countless other murders.

Not wanting to trivialise what your concerns are but to put things into perspective

You are 6 times more likely to die in a traffic accident than be murdered.

Of those people murdered only 10% are murdered by a stranger, the rest by a family or close acquaintance. And 65% of those murdered are men. So the chances of a woman being murdered by a stranger in a car park is very low. Your chances of dying driving there are higher.

Now given that you have named 3 women murdered a few years ago, think that women murdered represent only 35% of murders... how many men that have been murdered stick in your head like those names.

- Murder and rape are horrible
- Women are not the only victims of crime
- Put things into perspective.
- Australia is a very safe country to live in

Originally Posted by cs123

Not wanting to trivialise what your concerns are but...

how many men that have been murdered stick in your head like those names.

The numbers of men killing women far outnumber the numbers of women killing men. Why do people keep pulling the "but men....." whenever someone tries to mention the atrocious rates of men killing women in this country and general disadvantage women face?

Domestic violence and women killed by men is a topic quite close to my heart, of course I remember their names. Are you really asking me why I don't give murdered men equal space in my memory?

[cs123]

Originally Posted by leesa

Are you really asking me why I don't give murdered men equal space in my memory?

Yes, I am asking that. More men are murdered each year than women. They are all victims. Why are women dying more important to you than men dying.

I suppose it's much the same as plane crashes. People dying in cars is orders of magnitude greater than planes, but we all remember the plane crashes.

Your previous post seems to cast walking around your neighbourhood as like you are walking around a war zone. The reality is that is is not like that at all. Australia is a safe place to live. Your chances of dying in a car wreck are so much higher than being murdered. I don'y see you railing against cars.

While I deplore any violence against a person, I cannot agree with comments that women cannot walk around safely. The stats do not support that.